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#106406 - 01/30/09 10:03 PM
Re: Question about Beloveds
[Re: Henytenwepwawet]
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Shemsu
Registered: 04/13/07
Posts: 366
Loc: Texas, United States
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Probably just me and my own background, but I just can't imagine how one could be devoted to two different religions, especially if they are opposing (Christianity and KO comes to mind).
Then again, I have never "felt" the presence of gods other than the Netjeru. One could attribute it to polyvalent logic. Different God forms at different times are all true, different creation myths are all true, and so perhaps different ending and/or death myths are all true. Christianity is one of those that can be very opposed if one percieves it that way, but doesn't have to be. I find it to be a very liberal and understanding faith based on love and acceptance, rather than a strong sense of exclusion. It can work at the Remetj level as putting Christ first. My UPG is that it can work at Shemsu level as I feel Christ understands that life is for living, and that so long as you believe in him he is happy. However that's UPG. Um, you must know a completely different Christianity than I know. The one I know has been full of hatred, exclusion, and intolerance, but that could be because of the denominations I've been exposed to. Being told I'm going to hell, hearing how gays are evil/disgusting/sinful and so forth isn't loving. Believing that non-Christians are unworthy of respect, that it's ok to deny people medical care based on your morals, etc, is not loving and inclusive. It has really been my personal experience that it's not a very nice religion, but YMMV. Senebty Senu
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#106409 - 01/30/09 11:32 PM
Re: Question about Beloveds
[Re: Senusenu]
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Registered: 12/03/07
Posts: 259
Loc: Winnipeg, Manitoba
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Not every denomination is like that. I know someone who is Roman Catholic and she is not anything like the things you describe. I think you have to know that not every Christian is like that, because its painting everyone of a religion with a very, very broad brush. Pagans don't like it when its done to them, so why should we do it back to Christians?
I want you to know I am not in any way attacking you here, its just that not all Christians are like that.
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#106412 - 01/31/09 01:27 AM
Re: Question about Beloveds
[Re: Moswen]
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Shemsu
Registered: 10/22/08
Posts: 2719
Loc: North-central Pennsylvania
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Em hotep, Senu.
I was raised Lutheran where the reaction would be "Oh, you worship the Egyptian Gods...interesting. We're having a pot-luck dinner at the church tonight, why don't you bring a dish, and get to know everyone." All with an eye to returning me to the flock, and possibly setting me up with some nice Christian boy to boot.
Then we moved to the Episcopal church, where it would be "Oh, you're not Christian? Oh. Umm...well...How's your mother been...."
My brother became bible-thumping, born-again fundamental revivalist Christian. His attitude is "You are going to burn in Hell, and if you try to take my boys with you, you'll never see them again," as he peers suspiciously around my house looking for "wierd sh*%."
So it really does differ from group to group, and person to person. It is sad that you met people more like my brother.
Sad for Christianity, I mean. If you had met more Lutherans, you might be attending a pot-luck right now, getting set up with a nice christian boy. What a loss that would have been for KO.
Blessings and love,
Catlin
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#106416 - 01/31/09 07:09 AM
Re: Question about Beloveds
[Re: Moswen]
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Shemsu
Registered: 04/13/07
Posts: 366
Loc: Texas, United States
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Not every denomination is like that. I know someone who is Roman Catholic and she is not anything like the things you describe. I think you have to know that not every Christian is like that, because its painting everyone of a religion with a very, very broad brush. Pagans don't like it when its done to them, so why should we do it back to Christians?
I want you to know I am not in any way attacking you here, its just that not all Christians are like that. Oh, I do know a few "followers of Christ" who are very good people, but on the whole, I have had bad experiences with the religion. Generally, I just try to keep myself removed from them for both our sakes, hah.
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#106418 - 01/31/09 07:19 AM
Re: Question about Beloveds
[Re: Tahai]
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Rev. Marie, Ordained Clergy, Semer-Wati
Registered: 07/09/02
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Loc: New York
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Hotep  I was raised Roman Catholic, and remained happily Christian until just a couple of years before I applied to the House. I still fondly remember things I read in the New Testament especially, and honestly, some of the words there still resound for me (I particularly like for example when in the Acts, Gamaliel tells the high-ranking temple officials that they should leave it to God to determine who or what is from God). Anyway, it is indeed sad and unfortunate that the faith of hope, spiritual strength, kindness, compassion, and utter joyful love (as I always interpreted Christianity) is too often practiced with the complete opposite behaviors. But we people are too silly sometimes. When I was a teenager, reading the Bible quite often, I was told by other teenagers of other denominations that I was going to hell for being an idolater. I calmly informed them that I couldn't find anywhere in teh Bible that said they had the monopoly on Jesus, but thanks for sharing *grin*. All that just fortified my resolve to live the best way I could, and be alert to making the people around me feel stronger and more secure. For me, no longer Christian--only my tools changed (tools being my gods and my particular practice). My resolve never altered. Hopefully my behavior didn't either. It should never be about the faith or religion--it should be about how I live.
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#106430 - 01/31/09 10:29 AM
Re: Question about Beloveds
[Re: Senusenu]
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Registered: 10/14/08
Posts: 1240
Loc: Glasgow, Scotland
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Um, you must know a completely different Christianity than I know. The one I know has been full of hatred, exclusion, and intolerance, but that could be because of the denominations I've been exposed to. Being told I'm going to hell, hearing how gays are evil/disgusting/sinful and so forth isn't loving. Believing that non-Christians are unworthy of respect, that it's ok to deny people medical care based on your morals, etc, is not loving and inclusive. It has really been my personal experience that it's not a very nice religion, but YMMV. I think the important distinction here is not that I know a very different Christianity, but perhaps that I have known very different people. I have met unpleasant Christians, been exposed to hatred from them, but they are not representative of their religion. Human bigotry, human fear, and human hate, are not part of God, Christ, or Christ's message. I did have a lot of reservations about Christianity. But the genuine Christ-like Christians I have met have made me feel so much more at peace with the faith as a whole. Heck, I know strict Christians (members of the Salvation Army) who don't even believe in hell. There is a lot of hatred thrown around in the name of Christ. But it's not his doing, so I don't judge the religion by its followers.
Edited by Allati (01/31/09 10:31 AM)
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