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#142937 - 12/22/09 10:24 AM Leadership in the Common Era
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This topic/question relates to leadership in the common era, specifically, the Nisut. I haven't been able to find much information on this, and I've heard conflicting answers as to why there is a Nisut, the necessity of a Nisut, and what role said Nisut plays in modern Kemetic practice.
So, in your opinion, how important is a Nisut in your Kemetic practices? And why?

And sorry if this has been asked before, I couldn't find anything on it.

-Devo
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#142939 - 12/22/09 10:42 AM Re: Leadership in the Common Era [Re: Devo]
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Rev. Marie, Ordained Clergy, Semer-Wati

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Hotep Devo

I can only answer as a Kemetic Orthodox. I came to the House of Netjer, with as full of an understanding as I could have, after completing the beginners/prospective members/interested people course offered here, and after reading a lot of scholarly texts on egyptian religion and history.

Not every Kemetic may think a Nisut is important. That is fine. Here, the Nisut is our spiritual teacher, our leader, and our King. She does not set down "commandments" or "rules" for us or even tells us how or when we should pray and how our lives should be before we can even pray; but in matters of state ritual She is the Chief and Only Priest.

Hope this helps smile

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#142940 - 12/22/09 10:49 AM Re: Leadership in the Common Era [Re: Sedjemes]
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How does her leadership affect you personally, though? Really, through your description, she sounds more of an HPS than a Pharaoh/King type thing. Am I to understand this correctly?
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#142943 - 12/22/09 11:15 AM Re: Leadership in the Common Era [Re: Devo]
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Affect me personally? In many ways relating my faith practice. The words and actions I say and perform in my formal shrine rite, the state rituals in which I participate and assist, the beginners lessons that I and other priests teach--all have been written by the Nisut (translated by her from ancient texts). I and all the priests perform state rituals as Her designates, while SHe performs even more than do we and more frequently. She leads all weekly rituals and teaching chats for the membership. She is the bridge between gods and men. That is what I believe and why I am here.



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#142953 - 12/22/09 12:14 PM Re: Leadership in the Common Era [Re: Devo]
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Originally Posted By: Devo
This topic/question relates to leadership in the common era, specifically, the Nisut. I haven't been able to find much information on this, and I've heard conflicting answers as to why there is a Nisut, the necessity of a Nisut, and what role said Nisut plays in modern Kemetic practice.
So, in your opinion, how important is a Nisut in your Kemetic practices? And why?

And sorry if this has been asked before, I couldn't find anything on it.

-Devo


Em Hotep,

The Nisut is important to the Kemetic Universe because the ancients set it up that way. However, in my personal practices, the Nisut is something very far removed from me. I personally feel that if there was no coronated Nisut, the Gods would still find a way to be a part of my life. I didn't know about Nisuts at all, when They first did.

Our particular, current Nisut was more important to my practices when I served as a priest, but those were not my practices, they have a different purpose.

She now has some bearing in as much as certain aspects of my spiritual practice were taught to me by her (the prayerbook covers some) , but not all. She has also been a friend to me at times.
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#142954 - 12/22/09 12:18 PM Re: Leadership in the Common Era [Re: Sedjemes]
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Em hotep, Devo.

Tamara Siuda is our Nisut because Sekhmet said (paraphrasing) IT IS TIME FOR A NISUT. YOU WILL BE NISUT! And after several years of saying NO, Tamara finally gave in and said YES. After undergoing a corronation ritual based on Ancient practices, interpreted through modern mind, Tamara Siuda became Hekatawy, and Nisut of the KO 'nation.' That's history.

Presently, as Kai Imakhu Sedjemes said, the Nisut is the connection between the Seen and Unseen. She is our teacher, administrator, spiritual leader, and founder of the Kemetic Orthodox religion.

With out a leader, groups have a tendency to fall apart. Our Nisut is the glue that holds us together as a community.

Hope that helps. Blessings and senebty,

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#142996 - 12/22/09 05:15 PM Re: Leadership in the Common Era [Re: Maainakhtsen]
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[quote=Maainakhtsen] I personally feel that if there was no coronated Nisut, the Gods would still find a way to be a part of my life. I didn't know about Nisuts at all, when They first did.


She now has some bearing in as much as certain aspects of my spiritual practice were taught to me by her... but not all.[quote]


this is how i feel as well. my own practices tend to be of such an informal and spontaneous nature as to not be compatible with a lot of **ritual**, but i still have a great admiration for the practices of the KO faith, think them rather beautiful, and i greatly admire Rev. Siuda and all that she has created here. She is not *necessary* to my relationship with Netjer by any means...but i believe what i learn from her helps to *enrich* it. smile
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#143000 - 12/22/09 05:31 PM Re: Leadership in the Common Era [Re: Devo]
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Hotep, Devo

When I found the House of Netjer I was looking for a religious community that had a hierarchy. I had gone as far as I could alone (at the time), and was instructed by Isis (Who I was devoted to at the time) to go and learn about Her Kemetic form. Everything led me here, so I stayed smile

Kemetic Orthodoxy provides the framework for my spiritual practices, and Kemetic Orthodoxy was founded by Hemet. Hemet oversaw my conversion into Kemetic Orthodoxy (as She does for everyone by way of the RPD and Naming rituals) and my further vows to become a Shemsu-Ankh.

As a Kemetic practitioner, Hemet is a teacher, priest, god-mother, as well as a friend. Yes, I could be Kemetic without Her or Kemetic Orthodoxy but I choose not to.

Accepting the role of the Nisut was a bit of a transition to me; the whole idea was very foreign to me when I first came here.

Well, that was rather jumbled. Sorry blush

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#143110 - 12/23/09 09:35 AM Re: Leadership in the Common Era [Re: Asetwedjbai]
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Good bad or indifferent, most of these make her sound more like a priest than a Nisut. I guess I don't understand why she chose to be one over the other.
I'm glad to see that she seems to talk to people once they are a part of KO. I personally find it a bit disconcerting that she is the leader of a group, yet I have yet to see her anywhere here on the forums, or anywhere else. Not to mention the state of the websites and everything else. Which also was part of my confusion, in that a leader seems to be very absent from her people.

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#143112 - 12/23/09 09:41 AM Re: Leadership in the Common Era [Re: Devo]
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Shemsu

Registered: 09/10/09
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Em hotep Devo!

I don't know your plans as far as the Kemetic Orthodoxy is concerned, but if you become a Beginner or higher, you have access to a special forum where you can ask the Nisut questions directly and she responds. I have found they are the best forums on here because she has a wealth of information and makes things easy to understand.

Having access to that forum has helped to dispel most concerns I had about the Nisut actually.

Just my two cents, hope it helps a little.
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