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#217836 - 05/15/12 11:14 PM Re: Multi-Faith and Multi-Practice [Re: Ta_Imu_Aset]
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Originally Posted By: Ta_Imu_Aset
I'm just curious Tek, why do you think that?


For the same reason a bar of chocolate is not a Chevrolet. Kemetic Orthodoxy is not a form of Wicca. Some members also practice Wicca, but the House is not Wiccan.
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#217837 - 05/15/12 11:15 PM Re: Multi-Faith and Multi-Practice [Re: Zabetra]
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Originally Posted By: Zabetra
Originally Posted By: Ta_Imu_Aset
Originally Posted By: Bestekeni
Re: A Wiccan saying a Christian prayer while in circle -- That's acceptable in Wicca. Wicca is an eclectic practice. Kemetic Orthodoxy is not.


Not to split hairs but, no it's really not. If it's specifically Ecclectic or Solitary Wicca, than yes. If it's BTW, Alexandrian or another defined tradition it's not really acceptable as Wicca, as there *are* traditional practices and methods that need to be learned if you want to actually *be* or practice Wiccan. I've never heard any of my teachers suggest or allow a Christian prayer in ritual because, well, we don't practice Christianity, we have our own stuff. Similarly I wouldn't even bother asking Hemet "Hey, if I want to cast a circle before I do senut, can you give me the thumbs up on calling it a KO ritual?" Of course she wouldn't! Does that stop me from doing so? Nope, I just *will not* be able to call it KO. Basically the same as any other faith where people are often confused or outraged when told "nope, this isn't X at all, sorry", there is a level at which you're no longer practicing a specific tradition, rather something else- be it Kemetic flavored Wicca, Buddhist flavored Kemeticism, another form of mix & match solitary practice, so on. That's not a "judgment" and I think people often see a judgment statement in being corrected as to what's what-when it's not a judgment, it's simply the truth.


Very well put! Exactly what I wanted to say! ^.^


I'd concur with this. In my experience, many Wiccans are not open to Christian prayers. Some are, but I would not offer a Christian prayer, or an invocation of Jesus or the Christian God, in a Wiccan circle unless I had evaluated everyone's comfort level beforehand.

This has been an interesting thread and leads me once more to ask, "What makes a person Kemetic Orthodox?" According to what I've been told, it isn't necessarily a regular practice of Senut.

Supposing one has difficulty "separating" one's religious practices? I'm starting to have this issue. To me, the Divine is one and it's hard to put different 'pantheons' in different 'boxes' in my life. Pardon the cliche-ish metaphor of boxes but that is all I can think of at this late hour.
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#217839 - 05/15/12 11:29 PM Re: Multi-Faith and Multi-Practice [Re: Khenneferitw]
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"Kemetic Orthodoxy is not a form of Wicca. Some members also practice Wicca, but the House is not Wiccan."

^-- I'm still wondering how/when this became an issue in the thread. Is it because I was asking about whether or not the practices could be blendable vs keeping separate (during which I decided it made more sense/respect to do the latter rather than the former)?

At the least, I'm perceiving it to be an issue as I'm not sure if it was because of me that Best posted
Originally Posted By: Bestekeni
I think it needs to be made clear -- the House of Netjer is not a Wiccan organization.


I already understood as soon as I looked up the words 'Kemetic Orthodoxy' that it wasn't at all linked with Wicca. I'm just trying to figure out this last thing before I back out of the thread and resume listening to people on it. If there's any other reason those statements are being made, I'm not picking up on them over here at close to 1 am. shocked
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#217840 - 05/15/12 11:40 PM Re: Multi-Faith and Multi-Practice [Re: Sage_of_Yinepu]
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Originally Posted By: Sage_of_Yinepu
"Kemetic Orthodoxy is not a form of Wicca. Some members also practice Wicca, but the House is not Wiccan."

^-- I'm still wondering how/when this became an issue in the thread. Is it because I was asking about whether or not the practices could be blendable vs keeping separate (during which I decided it made more sense/respect to do the latter rather than the former)?

At the least, I'm perceiving it to be an issue as I'm not sure if it was because of me that Best posted
Originally Posted By: Bestekeni
I think it needs to be made clear -- the House of Netjer is not a Wiccan organization.


I already understood as soon as I looked up the words 'Kemetic Orthodoxy' that it wasn't at all linked with Wicca. I'm just trying to figure out this last thing before I back out of the thread and resume listening to people on it. If there's any other reason those statements are being made, I'm not picking up on them over here at close to 1 am. shocked


I, too, am cognizant of the fact that Kemetic Orthodoxy is not a form of Wicca.
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#217841 - 05/15/12 11:44 PM Re: Multi-Faith and Multi-Practice [Re: Bestekeni]
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Originally Posted By: Bestekeni
Originally Posted By: Ta_Imu_Aset
I'm just curious Tek, why do you think that?


For the same reason a bar of chocolate is not a Chevrolet. Kemetic Orthodoxy is not a form of Wicca. Some members also practice Wicca, but the House is not Wiccan.


Understood. However, I'd suggest that Kemetic Orthodoxy has more in common with Wicca than a Chevrolet has with a bar of chocolate. Both are spiritual paths. I'd suggest that if you are likening Kemetic Orthodoxy to a chocolate bar, one might consider Kemetic Orthodoxy to be a Hershey's Special Dark, and Wicca to be a Snickers Bar, or something of that nature. That is of course just my opinion and is not meant to offend or piss anyone off.
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#217851 - 05/16/12 07:27 AM Re: Multi-Faith and Multi-Practice [Re: Bestekeni]
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Originally Posted By: Bestekeni
Originally Posted By: Ta_Imu_Aset
I'm just curious Tek, why do you think that?


For the same reason a bar of chocolate is not a Chevrolet. Kemetic Orthodoxy is not a form of Wicca. Some members also practice Wicca, but the House is not Wiccan.


Right....well I think it's been made pretty clear (in this multifaith thread) that it's seperate...I don't think talking about other faiths means that anyone is confused on that point.
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#217855 - 05/16/12 08:39 AM Re: Multi-Faith and Multi-Practice [Re: Khenneferitw]
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Em hotep, all,

While this is a thread to discuss managing a multifaith life, this is NOT the place to discuss Wiccan practices outside of that context. Talking about why someone shouldn't cast a circle during Senut? Totally on topic. Talking about the differences between the various types of Wicca? That conversation should happen either on another, more appropriate forum or via PMs with interested parties.

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#217861 - 05/16/12 10:13 AM Re: Multi-Faith and Multi-Practice [Re: Arienihethert]
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Originally Posted By: Arienihethert
Em hotep, all,

While this is a thread to discuss managing a multifaith life, this is NOT the place to discuss Wiccan practices outside of that context. Talking about why someone shouldn't cast a circle during Senut? Totally on topic. Talking about the differences between the various types of Wicca? That conversation should happen either on another, more appropriate forum or via PMs with interested parties.

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I felt it was relevant to the topic and I guess I don't see how it was out of that context, honestly.
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#217862 - 05/16/12 10:29 AM Re: Multi-Faith and Multi-Practice [Re: Khenneferitw]
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To hop on my neon-hued "thread Segue" (TM) and take this conversation a bit of a different direction, I'd be curious to ask more about the multi-practice aspect of things.

For example, as part of a personally-defined form of meditation, visualization, and natural symbolism, I do both of the following: take note of the animals and plants that cross my path in a given day, consider what they signify to me, and contemplate aspects of my life of which they have reminded me. I also perform mental visualizations where I close my eyes and interact with what I believe to be guides, in whatever guise they take, animal, human... it varies.

I have interacted with Netjer in a similar fashion, though never in a set ritual context. I find it easier to "see" my Family if my eyes are closed, and They in turn have encouraged me in this, asking me to envision a mental shrine of sorts, unhindered by the reality of physical objects, which I can focus on and celebrate Them "at" when I am away from my actual shrine.

The complications here are as follows:

1.) I don't really view the former set of practices as a faith, but more a form of personal development, internal lessons. I do not worship the guides I meet, though I thank them for their lessons and my experiences with them.

2.) I do feel that meditation on (and with!) the Netjeru is a form of worship. However, I think it's using the same tools in different manner.

3.) Despite having a mental "pseudo-shrine," I would never perform senut there. We are asked to read the text from the page, so as not to adapt the words inadvertently, and I could not do this. Also, I do believe there's a significant difference in physically kneeling, removing the foot, etc., than simply visualizing oneself doing it, it's not the same and would be inappropriate to claim otherwise. That said, it is a comfort simply to "be" there, in an adapted way. I might go so far as to compare it to interacting with Netjer when impure. It's not senut, it can't be senut, but it's still cherished, and very much a part of my time with and devotion to my Family.

Do any of you have spiritual/mental practices that are not necessarily associated with a set religion per se, which you can incorporate into aspects of your religious life? Or have adapted in order to do so?


Edited by Ekunyi (05/16/12 10:36 AM)
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#217864 - 05/16/12 10:45 AM Re: Multi-Faith and Multi-Practice [Re: Khenneferitw]
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Well, since I still feel like I'm to blame somehow here, my apologies??
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