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Title: Leadership in the Common Era
Post by: Devo on December 22, 2009, 10:24:50 am
This topic/question relates to leadership in the common era, specifically, the Nisut. I haven't been able to find much information on this, and I've heard conflicting answers as to why there is a Nisut, the necessity of a Nisut, and what role said Nisut plays in modern Kemetic practice.
So, in your opinion, how important is a Nisut in your Kemetic practices? And why?

And sorry if this has been asked before, I couldn't find anything on it.

-Devo
Title: Re: Leadership in the Common Era
Post by: Sedjemes on December 22, 2009, 10:42:56 am
Hotep Devo

I can only answer as a Kemetic Orthodox. I came to the House of Netjer, with as full of an understanding as I could have, after completing the beginners/prospective members/interested people course offered here, and after reading a lot of scholarly texts on egyptian religion and history.

Not every Kemetic may think a Nisut is important. That is fine. Here, the Nisut is our spiritual teacher, our leader, and our King. She does not set down "commandments" or "rules" for us or even tells us how or when we should pray and how our lives should be before we can even pray;  but in matters of state ritual She is the Chief and Only Priest.

Hope this helps :)

Senebty
Sedjemes
Title: Re: Leadership in the Common Era
Post by: Devo on December 22, 2009, 10:49:38 am
How does her leadership affect you personally, though? Really, through your description, she sounds more of an HPS than a Pharaoh/King type thing. Am I to understand this correctly?
-Devo
Title: Re: Leadership in the Common Era
Post by: Sedjemes on December 22, 2009, 11:15:56 am
Affect me personally? In many ways relating my faith practice. The words and actions I say and perform in my formal shrine rite, the state rituals in which I participate and assist, the beginners lessons that I and other priests teach--all have been written by the Nisut (translated by her from ancient texts). I and all the priests perform state rituals as Her designates, while SHe performs even more than do we and more frequently. She leads all weekly rituals and teaching chats for the membership. She is the bridge between gods and men. That is what I believe and why I am here.



Title: Re: Leadership in the Common Era
Post by: Maainakhtsen on December 22, 2009, 12:14:32 pm
Quote from: Devo
This topic/question relates to leadership in the common era, specifically, the Nisut. I haven't been able to find much information on this, and I've heard conflicting answers as to why there is a Nisut, the necessity of a Nisut, and what role said Nisut plays in modern Kemetic practice.
So, in your opinion, how important is a Nisut in your Kemetic practices? And why?

And sorry if this has been asked before, I couldn't find anything on it.

-Devo


Em Hotep,

The Nisut is important to the Kemetic Universe because the ancients set it up that way. However, in my personal practices, the Nisut is something very far removed from me. I personally feel that if there was no coronated Nisut, the Gods would still find a way to be a part of my life. I didn't know about Nisuts at all, when They first did.

Our particular, current Nisut was more important to my practices when I served as a priest, but those were not my practices, they have a different purpose.

She now has some bearing in as much as certain aspects of my spiritual practice were taught to me by her (the  prayerbook (http://egyptianprayers.com/) covers some)  , but not all. She has also been a friend to me at times.
Title: Re: Leadership in the Common Era
Post by: Tahai on December 22, 2009, 12:18:41 pm
Em hotep, Devo.

Tamara Siuda is our Nisut because Sekhmet said (paraphrasing) IT IS TIME FOR A NISUT.  YOU WILL BE NISUT!   And after several years of saying NO, Tamara finally gave in and said YES.  After undergoing a corronation ritual based on Ancient practices, interpreted through modern mind, Tamara Siuda became Hekatawy, and Nisut of the KO 'nation.'  That's history.

Presently, as Kai Imakhu Sedjemes said, the Nisut is the connection between the Seen and Unseen.  She is our teacher, administrator, spiritual leader, and founder of the Kemetic Orthodox religion.  

With out a leader, groups have a tendency to fall apart.  Our Nisut is the glue that holds us together as a community.

Hope that helps.  Blessings and senebty,

Tahai
Title: Re: Leadership in the Common Era
Post by: kathleen on December 22, 2009, 05:15:33 pm
Quote from: Maainakhtsen
I personally feel that if there was no coronated Nisut, the Gods would still find a way to be a part of my life. I didn't know about Nisuts at all, when They first did.


She now has some bearing in as much as certain aspects of my spiritual practice were taught to me by her... but not all.
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this is how i feel as well.  my own practices tend to be of such an informal and spontaneous nature as to not be compatible with a lot of **ritual**, but i still have a great admiration for the practices of the KO faith, think them rather beautiful, and i greatly admire Rev. Siuda and all that she has created here.  She is not *necessary* to my relationship with Netjer by any means...but i believe what i learn from her helps to *enrich* it.  :)
Title: Re: Leadership in the Common Era
Post by: Asetwedjbai on December 22, 2009, 05:31:43 pm
Hotep, Devo

When I found the House of Netjer I was looking for a religious community that had a hierarchy. I had gone as far as I could alone (at the time), and was instructed by Isis (Who I was devoted to at the time) to go and learn about Her Kemetic form. Everything led me here, so I stayed :)

Kemetic Orthodoxy provides the framework for my spiritual practices, and Kemetic Orthodoxy was founded by Hemet. Hemet oversaw my conversion into Kemetic Orthodoxy (as She does for everyone by way of the RPD and Naming rituals) and my further vows to become a Shemsu-Ankh.

As a Kemetic practitioner, Hemet is a teacher, priest, god-mother, as well as a friend. Yes, I could be Kemetic without Her or Kemetic Orthodoxy but I choose not to.

Accepting the role of the Nisut was a bit of a transition to me; the whole idea was very foreign to me when I first came here.

Well, that was rather jumbled. Sorry :blush:

senebty, Wedjbai
Title: Re: Leadership in the Common Era
Post by: Devo on December 23, 2009, 09:35:29 am
Good bad or indifferent, most of these make her sound more like a priest than a Nisut. I guess I don't understand why she chose to be one over the other.
I'm glad to see that she seems to talk to people once they are a part of KO. I personally find it a bit disconcerting that she is the leader of a group, yet I have yet to see her anywhere here on the forums, or anywhere else. Not to mention the state of the websites and everything else. Which also was part of my confusion, in that a leader seems to be very absent from her people.

-Devo
Title: Re: Leadership in the Common Era
Post by: Sekhmetnenek on December 23, 2009, 09:41:42 am
Em hotep Devo!

I don't know your plans as far as the Kemetic Orthodoxy is concerned, but if you become a Beginner or higher, you have access to a special forum where you can ask the Nisut questions directly and she responds. I have found they are the best forums on here because she has a wealth of information and makes things easy to understand.

Having access to that forum has helped to dispel most concerns I had about the Nisut actually.

Just my two cents, hope it helps a little.
Senebty
Title: Re: Leadership in the Common Era
Post by: NiankhSekhmet on December 23, 2009, 09:42:49 am
Hotep Devo

I saw your words "chose" to be Nisut and I had to giggle. That is a common misconception from many outside of Kemetic Orthodoxy.  It is my personal observation that no one but the biggest masochist or the most undeniably stupid person on the face of the planet would ever "choose" that position.  Believe me when I tell you, Hemet did NOT choose to be what she is over being a priest. It was what was asked of her. I was there - I saw it and I am not the only one by any stretch.  I can also tell you the level of dissassembling of her life that was done until Hemet agreed.

And as for not seeing her anywhere, well our Nisut (AUS) is a part of the Parliament of World Religions. She is a regular contributor in many places, not just here. And she most definitely is not absent from Her people.  We have access to her - probably more than many modern spiritual leaders. She has absolutely no problem interacting with and being available to the People within the Faith. Everyone from Beginner's on up have access to Her.

Those outside the Faith may contact her via the contacts list located at Kemet.org  OR write to her at nisut@kemet.org.  


Senebty!
Title: Re: Leadership in the Common Era
Post by: Sedjemes on December 23, 2009, 09:48:23 am
Hotep Devo.

These forums are actually only one part of the activities of our faith. Primarily the forums in which we are talking with the guests are the outer "courtyard" to to speak, where interested people can come and meet us, ask questions, engage in discussion.

But we also have forums for members, as well as other chats and live gatherings and spiritual events for members and invited friends and guests.

As Kai Imakhu Niankh indicated members can also have contact with the Nisut through various means.

What makes her more than a priest is that she created this faith. While she issues no commandments, all aspects of our state-directed faith practice and a few aspects of our personal faith practice are established specifically and completely by her.  We priests do not establish any such thing. Not here in Kemetic Orthodoxy at least. I cannot speak for priests anywhere outside of the House of Netjer.

Hope this helps more.

Senebty
Sedjemes
Title: Re: Leadership in the Common Era
Post by: Sema'a on December 23, 2009, 09:54:29 am
Em hotep :)

I can only speak from personal experience here, so please note that I do not speak for every Shemsu or Remetj.

For me, the role of the Nisut is highly practical. The Nisut is an inspired spiritual teacher, who interacts with the gods in meaningful ways to coordinate and educate the community-- from Remetj to Kai-Imakhu. Our current Nisut, for example, has created the framework of a community of Kemetic worship that works, and works well, with rites of passage that provide Kemetic context we would otherwise be lacking in our modern lives.

While the presence of a Nisut does not directly influence my personal practices -- most of my personal practices are highly informal -- it is crucial to my adherence to the community of faith. The ritual of the Senut, weekly group worship, the annual retreat, and smaller weekend workshops are all made possible by a Nisut. My faith would feel incomplete without the existence of the community, which a Nisut helps to hold together. It's all well and good to worship the gods as I see fit, but having a community of worshippers has enriched my spirituality by more than a hundredfold.

Also, the Nisut is responsible for performing a number of rituals on behalf of the members of our community-- daily rituals to reinforce ma'at and so on. As our community grows I expect that this role will become more important, but also expand and change.

I hope that helps. Again, it's just my opinion of the role of any Nisut. :) YMMV, all that good stuff.

Senebty,
Sobeq

ETA: I see now that as I was replying there was a flurry of activity. Rather than write a whole long post, I'll just simply agree with Kai-Imakhiu Niankh and Sedjemes, and Vethorn. Our present Nisut (AUS) is heavily active within our community, going so far as to have regular weekly chats to teach, visiting regions of the United States, forum posts, open hours for discussion on instant messaging programs and on and on. :)
Title: Re: Leadership in the Common Era
Post by: Metitaitui on December 23, 2009, 09:58:09 am
Quote from: Devo
Good bad or indifferent, most of these make her sound more like a priest than a Nisut. I guess I don't understand why she chose to be one over the other.
I'm glad to see that she seems to talk to people once they are a part of KO. I personally find it a bit disconcerting that she is the leader of a group, yet I have yet to see her anywhere here on the forums, or anywhere else. Not to mention the state of the websites and everything else. Which also was part of my confusion, in that a leader seems to be very absent from her people.

-Devo


She's not absent from us at all. There are the Ask the Nisut forums, the weekly chats, all the Tawy House events and gatherings like work studies and Wep Ronpet, she's involved with the beginner's class, and does the RPDs, she is reachable by phone, email, boards, and instant messaging. So nope, not absent at all :)
Title: Re: Leadership in the Common Era
Post by: Huyitu on December 23, 2009, 10:44:53 am
I agree with Vethorn! Once I took the beginners class and read what the Nisut had to say it dispelled a lot of my worries about her. That and many members have a chance to interact with her via the chats or even on IM if they can find the time. Its unfortunate that the Nisut only interacts on her own forum, but she does so for a reason. I imagine if she tired to be on every section of our forums she wouldn’t have any time to do her other functions! That and many people, including myself, would probably be a little more uneasy about posting if they knew she chimed in regularly, I know that seems silly but I bet its true especially for beginners and guests.

Now when we talk about if the Nisut feels like a king to me or a high priestess its hard to differentiate. I do admit that she does feel like more of a high priestess, which is good, because that’s one of the major roles of the Nisut! Ancient Egypt was a monarchy and theocracy after all. Does she fee like a leader, yes, she does to me anyways. However, she does not wield secular power, that part of Nisut-hood will probably never be restored. Nor do I want, no matter how awesome the Nisut is, to have secular power in the way the Nisuts of old had, since I rather enjoy living in a republic. That and I doubt modern Egypt would be too keen on handing over the reigns of government to her no matter how fancy her hat is (and it is, if I can say so, very fancy) or how many hieroglyphs she can read or how many gods they don’t worship (with exceptions) anymore say they should.

Honestly though most of the institutions of old cannot be restored, nor, do I think people of the modern era would flourish under those institutions since we are not living a couple thousand years ago. Kemetic Orthodoxy doesn’t go out to restore those old institutions, it seeks to build something new based on historical evidence, modern living, ancient theology, and technology to create a new institution that’s heart is the same as the old: to serve the gods.
Title: Re: Leadership in the Common Era
Post by: Sekhmetnenek on December 23, 2009, 11:01:26 am
Em hotep Huyitu-

I just wanted to say that I agree with you. I would feel very shaky if I knew the Nisut could read everything I posted all the time, and respond to it. I normally don't feel like I have much to add to discussion anyways, but that would be the nail in my coffin XD
Title: Re: Leadership in the Common Era
Post by: Awetitu on December 23, 2009, 11:26:46 am
Quote from: Devo
This topic/question relates to leadership in the common era, specifically, the Nisut. I haven't been able to find much information on this, and I've heard conflicting answers as to why there is a Nisut, the necessity of a Nisut, and what role said Nisut plays in modern Kemetic practice.

Conflicting answers are an inevitability, as each person will see Hemet's (AUS) role differently depending on their take on the religion.  Some will define her as a Pope of sorts, others as their King, and others as their Priest. Much like the Religion itself there are many different definitions for essentially the same thing. There are some common misconceptions as to why there is a Nisut (AUS) and how this came about, and one of the biggest is that Hemet (AUS) "chose" to become Nisut. I suppose you could look upon it that way, but in fact she was chosen, not the other way around.  IIRC in my discussions with her, she was very reluctant to be the bearer of the Kingly Ka, but after some very convincing "arguments" were made, she acquiesced.
Quote from: Devo
So, in your opinion, how important is a Nisut in your Kemetic practices? And why?

The Nisut (AUS) is my spiritual guide and teacher.  She is a source of inspiration and a source of comfort. Her Prayerbook contains the rituals that I use and the prayers that I recite.
Title: Re: Leadership in the Common Era
Post by: Senedjem on December 23, 2009, 02:11:59 pm
Hotep! I was kind of hesitant to comment on this particular thread, but here goes. I am a highly critical and skeptical person. I have studied world religions since I was eleven years old looking for my niche so to speak, and the House has done that for me in so many ways. I feel like I have a family here, and I have a relationship with God I haven't had since my childhood. None of this would be possible without Hemet, and of course the community as a whole. I had honestly lost hope that God was personal and wanted anything to do with humans on a intimate level, but then I got to know some of the names. I was skeptical of the Nisut (AUS) at one time, but then I listened to her speak on the podcasts. She had the most calm yet authoritative voice. I had never been impressed by a spiritual leader like I was her. There is no doubt in my mind she is who she is. Call that a divine revelation, or whatever you like, but I know without a doubt she is the possessor of the kingly ka, and our king. I say what Netjer has shown me to be true. I cannot just call her a High Priest personally, for I know she is more then that. She is our connection with Netjer, and my spiritual life is so enriched since I came to the House. I thank Hemet and all the Priests and fellow beginners, and Remetj and Shemsu. Thank you all. :)

Senebty
Title: Re: Leadership in the Common Era
Post by: Devo on December 23, 2009, 02:27:31 pm
Quote from: Vethorn
Em hotep Devo!
if you become a Beginner or higher, you have access to a special forum where you can ask the Nisut questions directly and she responds.

Yes, I'm aware that there are forums that I don't have access to, that I'd need to take the beginners course to gain access to. However, despite being here for nearly 6 months now, I have yet to find where the new classes are being posted, where to sign up for them, or anything of that sort. I will admit, I find it frustrating that the websites aren't kept more up to date. Until I knew of the HoN section of KO, I honestly thought that KO had gone under, because of the lack of updates.

I'm waiting to see if and when a new class is posted, to hopefully learn more, to see if my current views and feelings change.

Quote from: NiankhSekhmet
Hotep Devo

I saw your words "chose" to be Nisut and I had to giggle. That is a common misconception from many outside of Kemetic Orthodoxy.  It is my personal observation that no one but the biggest masochist or the most undeniably stupid person on the face of the planet would ever "choose" that position.

And as for not seeing her anywhere, well our Nisut (AUS) is a part of the Parliament of World Religions. She is a regular contributor in many places, not just here. And she most definitely is not absent from Her people.  We have access to her - probably more than many modern spiritual leaders. She has absolutely no problem interacting with and being available to the People within the Faith. Everyone from Beginner's on up have access to Her.


I would like to hear further why someone wouldn't "choose" such a position. Seems to me that being the head of one of the most prominent Kemetic groups would be a lot of power, and more often than not, people like power.

I must just be missing this access due to not being a "beginner". Perhaps after I've taken the beginners course, and have access to other boards, my thoughts will change.

Quote from: Huyitu

Its unfortunate that the Nisut only interacts on her own forum, but she does so for a reason. I imagine if she tired to be on every section of our forums she wouldn’t have any time to do her other functions! That and many people, including myself, would probably be a little more uneasy about posting if they knew she chimed in regularly, I know that seems silly but I bet its true especially for beginners and guests.

 

I honestly have to say that I completely disagree with this. The places I feel the most comfortable are the places where the admin are most see-able. I get nervous when the leader of a group doesn't interact with their people on all levels. The leader of a group is the most watched and prominent figure in said group. So to me, you should strive to know as many of the people in a group as can be.

I understand that I lack the ability to see all forums, but even so, at first glance, she appears very hidden, which has always concerned me.

-Devo
Title: Re: Leadership in the Common Era
Post by: Menemaset on December 23, 2009, 02:32:41 pm
Em hotep, Devo!

Quote from: Devo
Yes, I'm aware that there are forums that I don't have access to, that I'd need to take the beginners course to gain access to. However, despite being here for nearly 6 months now, I have yet to find where the new classes are being posted, where to sign up for them, or anything of that sort.

I found information on applying very easily. All it takes is glancing around the kemet.org (http://www.kemet.org/) page. No, the front page isn't updated very often, but it's not too difficult to find relevant information. For instance, in the "Next Beginner's Group!" update on the front page about the beginner's class (which is outdated, yes) there is a link to apply right there. In link form. (http://www.kemet.org/apply.html)

Information on applying is also in the "About Us" (http://www.kemet.org/aboutus.html) section, specifically on the "Becoming Kemetic Orthodox" (http://www.kemet.org/kemexp4.html) page. In my experience so far, the "About Us" section is probably one of the best places to start out when attempting to understand this faith.

Senebty!

Coty

Edited to add: Additionally, the beginner's class that started at the end of October (the one that I'm in now) has been the only publicly unannounced class in awhile, as far as I can see. The class before the current one was announced in the Public Announcement forum of this board.
Title: Re: Leadership in the Common Era
Post by: Sema'a on December 23, 2009, 03:07:23 pm
To answer why someone would not want the "power" of being the Nisut, I say this old cliché: with great power comes great responsibility. Nisuthood is really not about "power", but about a duty to serve the gods and their followers. To hear the concerns of the Remetj and Shemsu, to perform rituals for the gods several times daily, to coordinate the priesthood, to arrange the details of all these workshops and to keep on top of all the paperwork required to be a legally recognized religion within the United States. Her email is open to all member of the faith, plus outsiders, and is used frequently. She has her forum, which she reads and answers. She teaches the priests. On top of THAT, She answers to the gods. If I were asked to be Nisut, I would respectfully decline.

Speaking as the president of a chapter of a large college organization, power is not a blessing. Everyone thinks they'd like to be the president-- but it is a thankless, grueling job. I only coordinate 30 people, and on a very small scale. If I had known at my unopposed election what I know now, I don't know if I would have run quite so lightheartedly.  This is a much larger scale organization, answering to God. I can't even imagine what it must be like.

It's easy to assume that she just lounges around and delegates as someone outside the faith, because rather than focusing on the internet, which is not the primary mode of existence for our faith, she is focusing on the faith itself, serving Netjer and Its followers. The website is a pleasant addition, but should it become outdated, it won't be the end of the world. Anyone can ask on our forums when the class will run and how to join. It is the spiritual needs of this community that should and do take her priority. :)

Senebty,
Sobeq
Title: Re: Leadership in the Common Era
Post by: Tahotep on December 23, 2009, 03:16:34 pm
Quote from: Huyitu
I agree with Vethorn! Once I took the beginners class and read what the Nisut had to say it dispelled a lot of my worries about her. That and many members have a chance to interact with her via the chats or even on IM if they can find the time. [. . .]

Now when we talk about if the Nisut feels like a king to me or a high priestess its hard to differentiate. I do admit that she does feel like more of a high priestess, which is good, because that’s one of the major roles of the Nisut! Ancient Egypt was a monarchy and theocracy after all. Does she feel like a leader, yes, she does to me anyways. [. . .]

Honestly though most of the institutions of old cannot be restored, nor, do I think people of the modern era would flourish under those institutions since we are not living a couple thousand years ago. Kemetic Orthodoxy doesn’t go out to restore those old institutions, it seeks to build something new based on historical evidence, modern living, ancient theology, and technology to create a new institution that’s heart is the same as the old: to serve the gods.
 


Quoted for truth.  Ellipses/bolding mine.

I personally love the fact that Hemet (AUS) lets us come to her, and even makes a point to speak directly to us, whether it be in Saq rituals, Duas, or even just in an appointment time-slot to discuss something that's been weighing on our hearts/minds.  Yes she's busy and rightly so--it's a lot of work to run a religious organization (or ANY organization), to say nothing of it's international status.

I remember when Huyitu and I went up for our RPD.  We both went in somewhat skeptical and unsure of what to expect.  Would this "Nisut" be someone legit or just someone out for our money?  I can tell you, wow--meeting her was truly amazing, not in that she appeared in full KO regalia (fancy hat and all).  No, she came down in a long-sleeve Tshirt and comfortable jeans.  She didn't make us bow or anything, yet I felt this irrepressible urge to at least sketch a small respectful bow, and I don't do that to *anyone* else.  It was a truly incredible experience.  Both of us, upon later chats, discovered we both felt this incredible weight around her--like a nearly palpable weight that she carried with her.  Yet she was a gracious hostess, a loving leader, and a completely approachable and friendly person all at once.

Quote from: yosef1986
Hotep! I was kind of hesitant to comment on this particular thread, but here goes. I am a highly critical and skeptical person. I have studied world religions since I was eleven years old looking for my niche so to speak, and the House has done that for me in so many ways. I feel like I have a family here, and I have a relationship with God I haven't had since my childhood. None of this would be possible without Hemet, and of course the community as a whole. I had honestly lost hope that God was personal and wanted anything to do with humans on a intimate level, but then I got to know some of the names. I was skeptical of the Nisut (AUS) at one time, but then I listened to her speak on the podcasts. She had the most calm yet authoritative voice. I had never been impressed by a spiritual leader like I was her. There is no doubt in my mind she is who she is. Call that a divine revelation, or whatever you like, but I know without a doubt she is the possessor of the kingly ka, and our king. [. . .]


Again--I agree. Yoseph here stated MANY of the same thoughts and concerns/feelings I had in my early experiences with KO and HoN.
I completely felt and realized the heavy and full presence of the kingly ka she must deal with every day.  I sensed that weight and that she understood it's gravity and seriousness, while still being a willing vassal and part of it.

Devo, I know you are concerned, and believe me--a healthy sense of skepticism in this world is NOT a bad thing!  I even went into the RPD semi-concerned that it was all an elaborate scam/hoax.  Only when I started watching and realizing how hard it would be to fake these sorts of things (I'll explain in private if you'd like to know more), it helped place my mind at ease.  When I got my readings and heard and saw things that could be explained no other way, it blew me away.

And when you "enter into the ranks" as it were, whether you are Divined Remetj, Shemsu, or even just as a Beginner, then you can still access her.  Even now if you email her I believe you can chat with her one on one.  She has the ability and desire to talk to each of the people who reach out to her, believe me.  Even just during open hours when you message her, she almost *always* responds :)

If you want to talk to me about this, because you sound a lot like me when I first started talking about this, you can feel free to PM me or send me an IM--my contact info is in my profile :)

Senebty,

Tahotep
Title: Re: Leadership in the Common Era
Post by: Maainakhtsen on December 23, 2009, 04:06:04 pm
You don't have to join the House to communicate with the Nisut.

nisut@kemet.org
Title: Re: Leadership in the Common Era
Post by: Seshagemseger on December 23, 2009, 04:16:15 pm
Em hotep!

To add to the already excellent posts here, from a purely religious standpoint the Nisut (AUS) acts as a sort of parallel to the sun.  

From my perspective, while fulfilling personal religious practices and relationships with Netjer would be possible without that, it takes a Nisut (AUS) and the attendant rituals to truly make the religion complete, as a community that can honestly call itself Kemet.

Stephen Quirke's The Cult of Ra I think reinforces the parallel between king and sun.
Title: Re: Leadership in the Common Era
Post by: NiankhSekhmet on December 23, 2009, 04:24:26 pm
Em hotep Devo:

Quote from: Devo


I would like to hear further why someone wouldn't "choose" such a position. Seems to me that being the head of one of the most prominent Kemetic groups would be a lot of power, and more often than not, people like power.

-Devo


And you think that she might have done this for "Power"?   So to address your remark regarding power;  while it is true that most people do pursue and desire more power rather than less, She most certainly didn't do this for a power trip. I know people have inferred that here and there, but those people do not know her.I think that Hemet's main concern was to found the Faith, do it in a way that was most in keeping with antiquity.   Certainly we do not claim to be the only way, but this is our way. No one says anyone has to accept it. There are plenty of places online that don't have a Nisut as well.

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I understand that I lack the ability to see all forums, but even so, at first glance, she appears very hidden, which has always concerned me.


Well, there is a concept that is called "safe space" and some of our Membership, myself included, feels that there is great benefit to be had that is not so easily perused by those who are not members of the Temple.  I want a place where I can discuss with members of my faith things that concern us and our community. That shouldn't bother anyone, really. Do you give access to the whole of your life and privacy to the world at large? I am betting you don't. No one does.

If it concerns you, certainly you can write to Her directly as I and others have posted in this thread at:

nisut@kemet.org

As for not updating the website, we went through a period of transition where the person who was doing it moved on in their life to another position and others are getting up to speed. I am sorry that you have been here for six months and have not gotten an update about when our beginners courses are - if you are interested in them.  We are just finishing up the latest one in about two weeks and there will be another pretty shortly after that.  We tend to run them throughout the year, so the rumours and assumptions about our demise are greatly exaggerated. ;)

Please do check back if you are interested and we do keep people posted who do apply to take them.

Senebty!





Title: Re: Leadership in the Common Era
Post by: Sedjemes on December 23, 2009, 04:36:56 pm
Hotep Devo.

You said "However, despite being here for nearly 6 months now, I I have yet to find where to sign up for them,   Until I knew of the HoN section of KO, I honestly thought that KO had gone under, because of the lack of updates.

First of all, there is no such thing as the "HoN section of KO." Kemet.org is the webpage Internet presence of Kemetic Orthodoxy which is the House of Netjer which is Kemetic Orthodoxy. These forums are just one part. Sometimes people come straight to the forums, sometimes people find kemet.org and then the forums. In either case we certainly encourage people to read kemet.org while also participating in the forums especially if they have interest in our faith and practice.

So, for all those interested in applying to at least participate in the beginners program the relevant webpage starts at http://www.kemet.org/kemexp4.html  
 New groups usually form every five or so months. They are not done through the website. ALl those who apply and are accepted into the next class receive informational emails about the course and how it is set up.

For guests, in our structure members of the clergy are the most visible administrators here on these forums. However, it needs to be said that all the material on the kemet.org pages and the topics on these forums, just to name two things, come from teh NIsut. So anyone who reads anything on kemet.org is learning about this faith directly from its founder and spiritual leader.

As to the rest--of course, each person can only be where he or she is most content.

Senebty
Sedjemes
Title: Re: Leadership in the Common Era
Post by: JulieAnne on December 23, 2009, 05:28:50 pm
Quote from: Sedjemes
Hotep Devo.

First of all, there is no such thing as the "HoN section of KO." Kemet.org is the webpage Internet presence of Kemetic Orthodoxy which is the House of Netjer which is Kemetic Orthodoxy. These forums are just one part. Sometimes people come straight to the forums, sometimes people find kemet.org and then the forums. In either case we certainly encourage people to read kemet.org while also participating in the forums especially if they have interest in our faith and practice.

 


Hotep KI Sedjemes,

I hope I'm not barging in with a totally stupid question,but I just have to ask it now  ;) Is the House the only Kemetic group that calls itself "Kemetic Orthodox"? Reason I ask,is I've found at least one other group webpage (it may have been mentioned on the forums somewhere already,but I have absolutely no idea where I'd find it.) that calls itself a "Kemetic Orthodox" temple,and as far as I can tell,are not affiliated with HoN in any way.

I'm not sure how "legit" they are - it's not a very active looking site,and they may actually be totally out in left field,and not even a real group anyway,but now I'm wondering about the "Orthodox" part.

I'm sincerely hoping I don't ruffle any feathers for anyone - just curious here  :)
Title: Re: Leadership in the Common Era
Post by: Sedjemes on December 23, 2009, 05:35:46 pm
Hotep JulieAnne :)

By the way--no question asked here, no matter how provocative, will ever ruffle feathers. We prefer questions be asked honestly in the hope of seeking reasonable clarification and sharing ideas. We can only offer the answers that work for us :)

We consider ourselves Kemetic Orthodox, but I am not certain at this moment that we hold any "patent" on that. I will have to find out for sure if we are able to keep anyone else from calling themselves that. The House of Netjer is legally recognizable as a non-profit religious organization, at least.

All we can hope is that anyone interested will come here and look around and see what we are all about and decide for themselves.

Senebty!
Sedjemes
Title: Re: Leadership in the Common Era
Post by: Senushemi on December 23, 2009, 05:44:20 pm
Quote from: Sedjemes
... the beginners program the relevant webpage starts at http://www.kemet.org/kemexp4.html.


Em hotep Kai Imakhu Sedjemes!

Just wanted to point out that the above link doesn't work... did you mean this page, by any chance?   Beginner's FAQ (http://www.kemet.org/apply.html)
Title: Re: Leadership in the Common Era
Post by: Sedjemes on December 23, 2009, 05:49:28 pm
Hotep Shemi

I have made that error before, it is the period at the end of what shoudl be the sentence, that messes up the link.

I edited it so it should work now!

Thanks!
Title: Re: Leadership in the Common Era
Post by: Senedjem on December 23, 2009, 06:52:43 pm
Hotep!

I believe Julie Anne is referring to a group led by someone named Pharaoh Barry. I don't know if it's legit, or a parody group led by a prankster
Title: Re: Leadership in the Common Era
Post by: Devo on December 23, 2009, 09:52:37 pm
Quote from: NiankhSekhmet


And you think that she might have done this for "Power"?

I'm not saying that was her motivation, I'm just saying, for some people, it is a motivator- good, bad or indifferent.
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Well, there is a concept that is called "safe space" and some of our Membership, myself included, feels that there is great benefit to be had that is not so easily perused by those who are not members of the Temple.  I want a place where I can discuss with members of my faith things that concern us and our community. That shouldn't bother anyone, really. Do you give access to the whole of your life and privacy to the world at large? I am betting you don't. No one does.

I can understand safe space. I've belonged to many forums where there is a full members section that the avg. joe can't see. All I'm saying is, the leader of KO only talks in a hidden forum. It gives a very misleading perception.

Quote from: Sedjemes


First of all, there is no such thing as the "HoN section of KO." Kemet.org is the webpage Internet presence of Kemetic Orthodoxy which is the House of Netjer which is Kemetic Orthodoxy. These forums are just one part. Sometimes people come straight to the forums, sometimes people find kemet.org and then the forums. In either case we certainly encourage people to read kemet.org while also participating in the forums especially if they have interest in our faith and practice.

To me, they were separate websites, and I refer to them separately. I've been chastised in the past for using HoN and KO synonymously, and honestly don't know which is which is which (lol). I found kemet.org first, and thought that nothing was going on because of the lack of updates. Now that i know that those links still work, I'll probably go sign up, but when the website it out of date, I think that links are as well.

Quote from: Coty

I found information on applying very easily. All it takes is glancing around the kemet.org (http://www.kemet.org/) page. No, the front page isn't updated very often, but it's not too difficult to find relevant information. For instance, in the "Next Beginner's Group!" update on the front page about the beginner's class (which is outdated, yes) there is a link to apply right there. In link form. (http://www.kemet.org/apply.html)

As stated above, when things are out of date, I tend to think that links are as well. I'll be signing up soon, so that I can catch the next class.

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Edited to add: Additionally, the beginner's class that started at the end of October (the one that I'm in now) has been the only publicly unannounced class in awhile, as far as I can see. The class before the current one was announced in the Public Announcement forum of this board.

Yeah, I noticed that after I started here (which I think was in late August) someone in a thread mentioned the new class that had just started. So I must have missed it or something.

-Devo
Title: Re: Leadership in the Common Era
Post by: Seshagemseger on December 23, 2009, 09:53:32 pm
Em hotep!

Regardless of what any other groups out there are saying, we consider the House of Netjer to be the only Kemetic Orthodox temple.  I could start a Neo-Pagan group tommorow and call it the Roman Catholic Church, but that wouldn't make it so, and it would be confusing and in poor taste.

There are a number of "splinter groups" started by former members who either disagreed with some of our practices, or wanted to lead their own groups for whatever reason.  There are unrelated groups as well; maybe one of them thought "Kemetic Orthodox" was a cool name and decided to borrow it, or came up with the name independently.  Regardless, we don't recognize any other groups as being Kemetic Orthodox.
Title: Re: Leadership in the Common Era
Post by: Tanebet on December 23, 2009, 10:10:04 pm
Em Hotep *henu*,

there are the "Kemet this week" podcasts
http://kemetthisweek.libsyn.org/

Then there is the blog "Kemet today"
http://dailykemet.blogspot.com/

IMHO one cannot really say that our Nisut (AUS) only talks in hidden forums

Senebty
Tanebet
Title: Re: Leadership in the Common Era
Post by: NiankhSekhmet on December 24, 2009, 08:40:16 am
Em hotep Tanebet!

Thank you for posting the podcast link. I think these and the continuation of them on an ongoing basis proves the entire point about Hemet's accessibility more succinctly than almost anything else that has been said here by the rest of us.

Dua Netjer en etj! :)

Senebty!
Title: Re: Leadership in the Common Era
Post by: JulieAnne on December 24, 2009, 10:09:29 am
Quote from: yosef1986
Hotep!

I believe Julie Anne is referring to a group led by someone named Pharaoh Barry. I don't know if it's legit, or a parody group led by a prankster


Um,yea,that'd be the one - I wasn't sure how legit they are either,which is why I was puzzled when I saw their site. Hope I haven't accidentally stirred up a hornet's nest here or anything.  :eek: *crawls back under rock*
Title: Re: Leadership in the Common Era
Post by: NiankhSekhmet on December 24, 2009, 10:49:17 am
Em hotep JulieAnne!

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Hope I haven't accidentally stirred up a hornet's nest here or anything.


LOL! No, of course not! After over fifteen years of most of we old-timers 'enjoying' the antics of our detractors, why would we get upset?  If anything we have managed to get a few laughs out of some of them and there's not a whole lot that we have not seen or heard before! ;)

No harm no foul!

Senebty!
Title: Re: Leadership in the Common Era
Post by: Raheri on December 24, 2009, 03:25:28 pm
Em hotep Devo! *henu*

It can be frustrating trying to find information on something and not finding it. I have been in those shoes before. From my understanding the Kemet.org website will soon be undergoing extensive revisions and reorganization soon. I am sure that they will not be updated until then. I have sat in on some discussion groups with the Nisut (AUS) and fellow Shemsu, and heard some very interesting ideas and plans. Give it time, things will happen.

I encourage you to read  Letters from the Nisut (http://www.kemet.org/letters/). These are dated but contain excellent material on our faith and living in ma'at. Check it out.

If you ever have any questions feel free to message my and I will help out. Hemet (AUS) is easily able to get a hold of at her email. She may not answer right away but she usually has an inbox with several hundred emails. It is easy for me to say be patient, when I am not the one that has to wait. But I offer my assistance if you need it, and if I don’t know the answer I can find someone who does.

Senebty,

Raheri
Title: Re: Leadership in the Common Era
Post by: kathleen on December 26, 2009, 02:01:35 pm
Quote from: Devo
I've been chastised in the past for using HoN and KO synonymously, and honestly don't know which is which is which (lol).



this comes as a surprise to me.  it's always been *my* understanding that HoN and KO were/are synonymous, and i must say i'm curious as to who would chastise you for thinking otherwise.
Title: Re: Leadership in the Common Era
Post by: NiankhSekhmet on December 26, 2009, 03:27:33 pm
Kemetic Orthodoxy IS the House of Netjer and vice versa. That is very interesting. I wonder what context the chastisement was in. Seems a rather strange thing. ;)

However, as someone mentioned there is a "Pharaoh Barry I"on Facebook I think that is setting himself up as Kemetic Orthodox and there is no connection to us at all. I stumbled on hi when looking for other members of our Temple on that site.

Title: Re: Leadership in the Common Era
Post by: Devo on December 26, 2009, 09:35:58 pm
Quote from: Tanebet
Em Hotep *henu*,

there are the "Kemet this week" podcasts
http://kemetthisweek.libsyn.org/

Then there is the blog "Kemet today"
http://dailykemet.blogspot.com/

IMHO one cannot really say that our Nisut (AUS) only talks in hidden forums

Senebty
Tanebet
 

The podcasts confuse me, as it sounds like a guy speaking, not a female. I only went a few back, but all I ever heard was a guy.
I've seen the daily blog before. however, in my opinion, that is not interacting with people. That's writing some thoughts out in your journal for people to read. That's the main different btwn forums and journals- the very nature of a forum is to talk amongst one another, like a non-instant chat room as it were. It's not the same.
Quote from: kathleen
Quote from: Devo
I've been chastised in the past for using HoN and KO synonymously, and honestly don't know which is which is which (lol).



this comes as a surprise to me.  it's always been *my* understanding that HoN and KO were/are synonymous, and i must say i'm curious as to who would chastise you for thinking otherwise.

I went to go find the link to it (it's an LJ comment on someone else's journal) but it's no longer accessible to me. So the owner of the journal either hid or deleted the post, so I can't quote it for you, nor can I remember who said it.
Quote from: Raheri
Hemet (AUS) is easily able to get a hold of at her email. She may not answer right away but she usually has an inbox with several hundred emails.
 

Email seems to be the best bet, but I must admit I'm uncomfortable with emailing a "random" person that I don't know, and I'm not sure with how I'd even start to talk to her. I'm thinking the best bet is to wait through the beginner's courses, and read the hidden forums, so that I can learn a bit more that way.

-Devo
Title: Re: Leadership in the Common Era
Post by: Siwy on December 27, 2009, 02:42:44 am
That's KI Antybast on the podcasts, he's Hemet's right hand man, so to speak.
Title: Re: Leadership in the Common Era
Post by: Awetitu on December 27, 2009, 03:41:06 am
Quote from: Devo
The podcasts confuse me, as it sounds like a guy speaking, not a female. I only went a few back, but all I ever heard was a guy.

I'm confused now, Devo, are you seeking to hear Hemet's (AUS) voice? You can go back to Podcast 4 if that's what you're actually looking for.  Additionally, she has appeared on History Television in their special on the Egyptian Book of the Dead, portions of which have been uploaded to YouTube (type in Tamara Siuda in the Search Bar).
Quote from: Devo
Email seems to be the best bet, but I must admit I'm uncomfortable with emailing a "random" person that I don't know, and I'm not sure with how I'd even start to talk to her. I'm thinking the best bet is to wait through the beginner's courses, and read the hidden forums, so that I can learn a bit more that way.

-Devo

The easiest way is to say hello, I guess, Devo.  From there, you can ask her questions that are pressing on your mind and see what happens.  It can be frightening and off-putting to e-mail a stranger, but it can also be very rewarding. I wish you luck in finding the answers you are seeking and I hope that some of the resources that we have pointed you at are helpful.  
Title: Re: Leadership in the Common Era
Post by: Tanebet on December 27, 2009, 10:26:28 am
Em Hotep Devo *henu*,

I am sorry that find that there our Nisut (AUS) isn't easily approachable and of course I have no idea about your past religious experiences and of what kind of interaction you are used to. I have been Catholic before I joined the House of Netjer and as such I can only say that as Catholic I never expected to meet, talk and interact with the pope, either directly or via the internet (and I think that's how the majority feels). Here in the House of Netjer I have and had many opportunities to interact with our Nisut (AUS). I guess that's why I don't think that there isn't much interaction.

Senebty
Tanebet
Title: Re: Leadership in the Common Era
Post by: Devo on December 27, 2009, 10:58:27 pm
Quote from: Awetitu

I'm confused now, Devo, are you seeking to hear Hemet's (AUS) voice? You can go back to Podcast 4 if that's what you're actually looking for.  Additionally, she has appeared on History Television in their special on the Egyptian Book of the Dead, portions of which have been uploaded to YouTube (type in Tamara Siuda in the Search Bar).

The person seemed to be implying that because of the podcasts and blog that the Nisut wasn't hidden. However, if it is not the Nisut speaking in the podcasts, to me, it is like comparing apples to oranges, unless I misunderstood the reference.

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The easiest way is to say hello, I guess, Devo.  From there, you can ask her questions that are pressing on your mind and see what happens.  It can be frightening and off-putting to e-mail a stranger, but it can also be very rewarding. I wish you luck in finding the answers you are seeking and I hope that some of the resources that we have pointed you at are helpful.  


I guess this depends. I'm not sure how I would start things, and would need to consider it before just randomly talking to her.

Quote from: Tanebet

I am sorry that find that there our Nisut (AUS) isn't easily approachable and of course I have no idea about your past religious experiences and of what kind of interaction you are used to. I have been Catholic before I joined the House of Netjer and as such I can only say that as Catholic I never expected to meet, talk and interact with the pope, either directly or via the internet (and I think that's how the majority feels). Here in the House of Netjer I have and had many opportunities to interact with our Nisut (AUS). I guess that's why I don't think that there isn't much interaction.

My previous religious exp. are more or less null and void. I never took active role in any religion until I found paganism, and moved into Kemeticism. To me, a religious figure should permeate all levels of their temple/church/coven/whatever. While I would never expect to meet hte Pope, I'd expect to meet my HPS or HP and get to know them. To me, religion should be a close knit experience. Not having the leader be a part of the organization at most levels causes it to fall apart, and to create misconceptions, IMO. So to me, not to see her interacting with all members and non-members gives a not so great feeling to me.
-Devo
Title: Re: Leadership in the Common Era
Post by: Yamen on December 27, 2009, 11:34:41 pm
Quote from: Devo
To me, a religious figure should permeate all levels of their temple/church/coven/whatever. While I would never expect to meet hte Pope, I'd expect to meet my HPS or HP and get to know them. To me, religion should be a close knit experience. Not having the leader be a part of the organization at most levels causes it to fall apart, and to create misconceptions, IMO. So to me, not to see her interacting with all members and non-members gives a not so great feeling to me.
-Devo


Em hotep, Devo.

The Nisut(AUS) does interact with all levels of membership. I'm sorry that you can not see that being in the very public area of the forums. The Nisut(AUS) is very busy and there is quite a large, active membership.

In the example you give about the Pope you admit there would be no interaction at that level, and you have been receiving replies in this thread from members of our priesthood. I don't understand why this gives you a "not so great feeling."

In any case, I hope you stick around and learn a bit more about us.

Senebty.
Yamen
Title: Re: Leadership in the Common Era
Post by: HehiAset on December 28, 2009, 04:16:50 am
Em Hotep Devo,

I have been for a number of years in the position described by Wedjabi, and it gets to be lonely and lacking of input,both every-day and spiritual, not to be with/ in contact with  people who believe in the things you do (tho not all identically of course). That is the greatest value KO has for me. Simply belonging and getting the views of others, and on occasion their support.

I stand to be corrected but I think if you read the good books about Ancient Egypt you will find, as with KO, that the Nisut (Pharaoh in latter times) and the "ultimate" High priest were one and the same - as it is with our Nisut. Clearly the "King" in CE terms could not be at prayer all day , and fail to carry out the business of running the Country, leading his armies on trips to distant lands to bring back requirements such as wood,incense, gold etc. As a requirement of these circumstances a Priesthood was created, almost the Civil Service if you like) and the High Priest deputized for the Nisut as required in the Temple.
You have also to remember that only 1-2% of the population were literate so that all these function had to be exercised by the literate few.

Kemetic Orthodoxy (KO) the Religion it the Nisut's interpretation ,from ancient texts, of the Religion as practiced in Ancient Egypt (with necessary variations to allow for the fact that we are neither Ancient Egyptians nor even live in Egypt!). The House of the Netjer (HoN) is,if you like our Church - the Nation/entity to which we all belong as believers in KO.

These are just a few of my personal views on all this, and as Vethorn suggested above you would do best, if really interested, to come along to the Beginners' Classes - which are most enjoyable and where even long-term kemeticists can learn a thing or three.!

Hope this helps a little
Title: Re: Leadership in the Common Era
Post by: Tahai on December 28, 2009, 08:48:53 am
Em hotep, Devo.

I am a Shemsu of the House of Netjer.  I interact with, am taught by, and converse with my Nisut (Ankh.  Udja.  Seneb) on at least a weekly basis.

I have done so since the day I became a Beginner in the House of Netjer.  

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To me, a religious figure should permeate all levels of their temple/church/coven/whatever.


Hemet (AUS)does permeate all levels of the House of Netjer and the Kemetic Orthodox faith.  Guests are given the opportunity to speak with the Priesthood directly here on the forums.  They are the deputies of Her Holiness (AUS), and are the first line of interaction with Her.  Guests are also given the opportunity to speak with the Remetj, Shemsu, and Shemsu-Ankh of the House of Netjer, all of whom have been instructed by Her Holiness, both directly and indirectly.

It is perhaps regretful that you feel our Nisut (AUS) is not available to the masses, but She has decided, and we have agreed, that Her time is best spent caring for our Gods, caring for the spirituality of Her people, and maintaining our Temple.  

As has been stated previously, Hemet (AUS) is available by mail and email.  She is an exceedingly busy woman, with no full-time or paid staff, so responses take a bit of time, but they will be given eventually.  

Please do not say She is unavailable to the public when you have admitted a reluctance to reach out to Her via the channels provided.

Senebty,

Tahai
Title: Re: Leadership in the Common Era
Post by: Maretemheqat on December 28, 2009, 09:19:13 am
Quote from: Tahai

Please do not say She is unavailable to the public when you have admitted a reluctance to reach out to Her via the channels provided.


Quoted for Truth.

Devo, I've been watching this thread since it started, I've watched mamny members of the House, time and again, tell you that our Nisut is involved on all levels of state related matters and there for us personally if we need it through either email, phone, live chat, what-have-you, then have watched yourself basically shy away from actually emailing her yourself to speak with her, or publically deny that basically what we've told you is bunk.

You had already made up your mind when you came here, it seems. Which is too bad. You never gave yourself or us the fair handed chance that both deserved.

~Maret
Title: Re: Leadership in the Common Era
Post by: Devo on December 28, 2009, 09:50:38 am
Quote from: Yamen


In any case, I hope you stick around and learn a bit more about us.

I'm intending to, through the classes. However, I still have to wait for that to start back up with a new session. Patience is a virtue, as they say.

Quote from: Maretemheqat


Devo, I've been watching this thread since it started, I've watched mamny members of the House, time and again, tell you that our Nisut is involved on all levels of state related matters and there for us personally if we need it through either email, phone, live chat, what-have-you, then have watched yourself basically shy away from actually emailing her yourself to speak with her, or publically deny that basically what we've told you is bunk.

If you'll go back to the root of the thread, you'll find that initially, I wasn't so interested in seeing how active the Nisut is within her own temple. I was more interested in finding out what role she plays in everyone's life- how important she is to the members in their daily practices, etc. I just happened to mention that I was glad to see that she was more active with people within the temple itself. Then the thread took a huge jump, with letting me know that "She is! She is active!" I just can't see it because I haven't taken the classes.
You're correct, I do shy away from the email form of conversing with your Nisut. You say I don't like the avenues available, but truthfully, without that little class under my belt, this is the only method available to me- email. And really, saying "Hi, Miss Nisut lady, I question your role in your own temple! What do you have to say about this?" Doesn't come off so hot. I'd rather learn more about KO first, and get a better understanding through the beginners course, than to just run in, and run my mouth off before I have a good understanding of how the faith even works to begin with.
I'm sorry if I seem repetitive, but when I talk in a forum, if people are speaking more or less directly to me, I try to respond to as many of the threads/responses as I can without being completely redundant. I keep getting the same responses, I'll keep responding with the same things.
But it still stands- initially, this thread was intended to talk about something besides what is being discussed now.
-Devo
Title: Re: Leadership in the Common Era
Post by: Maretemheqat on December 28, 2009, 10:03:08 am
Devo,

I've seen you mention HPS a few times as well. Going on that vein of logic, whould a practicing HPS focus their attention outside their own coven? Most of the answer to that is no. Coven comes first, then those outside it will come afterwards... maybe. If you're a prospect for the coven, that is.

What is unique about Hemet is that while she does focus on making sure that her members are attended to, from out Ka's being spritually fed, to dealing with the Names' requirements, praying for members of the faith who've requested it, teaching people in the Beginner's class as well as other assorted classes we have through the Imhotep Seminary, answering various other questions pertaining to life/ magical practice in ancient kemet, as well as running the actual physical temple itself..

Whew!

She does all that, and then will take the time to personally email me with an article written by a collegue of hers that was writen on birthing practices in ancient kemet, or speaking with me over AIM about "Surprise Kitty" and other cat related nonsense...

Plus...

She'll respond to your email too, even if it is "I question your role and spiritual authority" sort of email.

She's involved in all levels of our faith, but also leaves us room to develop our own connections with our Gods as well.

Senebty,
~Maret
Title: Re: Leadership in the Common Era
Post by: Bastmuttepta on December 28, 2009, 10:08:42 am
Em hotep Devo,

I know how frustrating it can be at times not being able to find the resources you hope/wish for when you come to a website. I will say, however, having had experience in many religious paths, this is the *only* faith I have ever interacted with that allowed so much direct contact with its Spiritual Leader.

E-mail can be quite intimidating at first, I understand. This is why the "letters from the Nisut" pages and the Kemet Today blog are so useful- you get to know Hemet (AUS) initially from her writings which helps you to formulate your own questions. As far as the podcasts go- KI Antybast hosts them, but Hemet is a frequent guest. You won't see her in EVERY podcast but she is in quite a few.

The entire Egyptian Book of the Dead special is broken up into parts and available on YouTube. If you'd like the links, feel free to PM me and I will provide them. Hemet contributed to this production and you can also find the clips specifically of her by doing as Awetitu said (search her name in YT).

You're right- guests don't get too much interaction with the Nisut, but she is available to all levels of membership in the House- even pre-Membership, with the beginners. As a beginner I have had access to the Nisut 24/7 through the Ask the Nisut Forum and her e-mail. She even dropped by to answer all of our questions at yesterday's beginner chat session (the second to last one for our class) and will be dropping in for our Tuesday session as well.

Basically, what I'm suggesting is this: Get to know the House first, interact with its members, and all else will follow. If you do decide to take the beginner's course (ours is just ending so the next one should begin upon wrapping up all the administrative stuffs involved with this one, so get your application in now if you want to!) you will then have access to these other forums. If you want to speak to Hemet right off the bat, you can (with e-mail), but if you're like me and want to kind of 'get a feel' for a person first before you go that direct, Letters to the Nisut/Kemet Today/Podcasts should help.

Senebty,

Laura
Title: Re: Leadership in the Common Era
Post by: NiankhSekhmet on December 28, 2009, 10:14:38 am
Em hotep Devo:

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"Hi, Miss Nisut lady, I question your role in your own temple! What do you have to say about this?" Doesn't come off so hot. I'd rather learn more about KO first, and get a better understanding through the beginners course, than to just run in, and run my mouth off before I have a good understanding of how the faith even works to begin with.


You are right. It doesn't.  But then you are not the first to feel that or have said that here.  And to be quite honest, no one says you have to contact Her via any channels that we have offered to you thus far. But if you want Her to answer, that is going to to be the approach that is made with Hemet in this forum.  No one said you have to approve of our way of doing things at all. However, this is the way we do things - and we are not about to change.  While that might come as a bit of a disappointment for you or my answer might come off as my being flip to you with regard to your questions, that's just the way it is.  

Others outside of this Temple have contacted Hemet through those same conventional means with far more of a chip on their shoulder when they arrived, and by the end of the conversation, came out understanding a great deal more about Her, about the Faith and were certainly no poorer for having done so. Interfaith dialogue for us is important to the members of this Faith, however, there are protocols, even for us - and it does not particularly concern us if the rest of the world disapproves of them.

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But it still stands- initially, this thread was intended to talk about something besides what is being discussed now.


I am looking at the topic and the points and issues that you yourself raised and I don't see how we could have responded any other way to them. You pointed a finger at us and the way we do things in this Temple as it relates to Leadership in the Common Era. If I am not mistaken, you take a bit of issue with the approach here.  Is that not the case?  If not, then what the other issues in relation to this that you would like to discuss?  Please feel free to point them out and we will be more than happy to adiscuss them with you.

Senebty!
Title: Re: Leadership in the Common Era
Post by: Shefytbast on December 28, 2009, 11:50:06 am


Em hotep, Devo!

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My previous religious exp. are more or less null and void. I never took active role in any religion until I found paganism, and moved into Kemeticism. To me, a religious figure should permeate all levels of their temple/church/coven/whatever. While I would never expect to meet hte Pope, I'd expect to meet my HPS or HP and get to know them. To me, religion should be a close knit experience. Not having the leader be a part of the organization at most levels causes it to fall apart, and to create misconceptions, IMO. So to me, not to see her interacting with all members and non-members gives a not so great feeling to me.



Something to bear in mind is that a HPS/HP is typically rooted in the idea of a coven, which is a very small, close-knit group, and which is designed to be an intimate spiritual setting in which all the members function as part of the priesthood. Also, each small group, though sharing ties and lineage with others, is essentially independent in operation. The House is a rather different working model, and it probably does bear more relationship to the Catholic church and the pope than it does to the typical neo-pagan approach. Not that either is better than the other, but they *are* different.

That said, the House is probaby about as intimate as one can expect a global religion with some hundreds of members to be. ^_^


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Good bad or indifferent, most of these make her sound more like a priest than a Nisut. I guess I don't understand why she chose to be one over the other.



I would say that she's both priest and Nisut; Nisut is just the title that raises the most fuss. ^_^ She serves the gods as the chief priest of the temple; she also serves as a focal point around which the human side orients itself by supplying direction, spiritual teachings, a model for our behavior with each other, a channel for communicating with the Gods--not the *only* channel, certainly, people can always pray and communicate with the Gods on their own, but the primary *group* channel. She's the reason that this is a cohesive group, despite its size, its geographic spread, and all the highly individualistic people that comprise it. She does also serve as the "face" of the temple in a number of venues, from her writing and interfaith work to the mundanity of dealing with the legal issues of being a not-for-profit organization. If you consider the title of "king" as an organizational and service-oriented role, then she fits the bill perfectly.

For me personally...she's important to my practices because
- her teachings supply the framework for the majority of my ritual practices
- I also learn from her continually via chats, podcasts, postings, and other writings
- I work as her deputy in performing the state rite
- she is a model of service that I strive to emulate
- she is the human heart and linchpin of this faith that has given me so much

I do a fair bit of studying on my own to further develop my knowledge, and much comes to me via direct connection with my Mother and the other Names, so Hemet isn't my sole source of spiritual direction. But she's a very, very important one, and I honor the work that she's done and continues to do in building this House.

Does any of this help?

Senebty,

Shefyt

Title: Re: Leadership in the Common Era
Post by: Bezenwepwy on December 28, 2009, 05:58:13 pm
I haven't been a part of this discussion since I'm just a remetj and have had next to no interaction with the Nisut myself yet, but Shefytbast - thank you so much for giving an answer to the original question! I thought it was a pretty interesting one, but I was kind of disheartened by how sidetracked it got.
Title: Re: Leadership in the Common Era
Post by: Corvina on December 28, 2009, 09:41:26 pm
Hotep Laura,

I'd be interested in those links if that's ok.

Senebty,
Corvina
Title: Re: Leadership in the Common Era
Post by: Maainakhtsen on December 29, 2009, 03:45:21 am
Em Hotep Devo,

Quote from: Devo

And really, saying "Hi, Miss Nisut lady, I question your role in your own temple! What do you have to say about this?" Doesn't come off so hot. I'd rather learn more about KO first, and get a better understanding through the beginners course, than to just run in, and run my mouth off before I have a good understanding of how the faith even works to begin with.


*Giggles @ the first part* XD Yeah, it probably sounds bad in your head, but really, it's nothing new. Plus, "challenging" questions are good, imo. If someone can't respond to them, they lose my confidence pretty fast.

On your second, I just wanted to recognize your openness to understanding how it all works. Even if you decide that it isn't for you in the end, you'll get the best answers this way for sure. Until then, I look forward to seeing you around! :)
Title: Re: Leadership in the Common Era
Post by: Devo on December 29, 2009, 09:35:42 am

Quote from: ShadowLily

Basically, what I'm suggesting is this: Get to know the House first, interact with its members, and all else will follow. If you do decide to take the beginner's course (ours is just ending so the next one should begin upon wrapping up all the administrative stuffs involved with this one, so get your application in now if you want to!) you will then have access to these other forums. If you want to speak to Hemet right off the bat, you can (with e-mail), but if you're like me and want to kind of 'get a feel' for a person first before you go that direct, Letters to the Nisut/Kemet Today/Podcasts should help.

This is my goal, just seems that no one seems to read that this is my planned course of action :-\\

Quote from: Maretemheqat

I've seen you mention HPS a few times as well. Going on that vein of logic, whould a practicing HPS focus their attention outside their own coven? Most of the answer to that is no. Coven comes first, then those outside it will come afterwards... maybe. If you're a prospect for the coven, that is.

This is a very good point, and had not thought of it that way.

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She'll respond to your email too, even if it is "I question your role and spiritual authority" sort of email.

I'm sure she would, but I would feel like such an ass for asking without first trying to learn about the faith/religion myself. That's all. I don't want to be rude.
Quote from: NiankhSekhmet

But if you want Her to answer, that is going to to be the approach that is made with Hemet in this forum.  No one said you have to approve of our way of doing things at all. However, this is the way we do things - and we are not about to change.  While that might come as a bit of a disappointment for you or my answer might come off as my being flip to you with regard to your questions, that's just the way it is.

I know that things aren't going to change for me, I never said I wanted them to change. Please don't jump on my back for something that I didn't say, or was even implying.  

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I am looking at the topic and the points and issues that you yourself raised and I don't see how we could have responded any other way to them. You pointed a finger at us and the way we do things in this Temple as it relates to Leadership in the Common Era. If I am not mistaken, you take a bit of issue with the approach here.  Is that not the case?  If not, then what the other issues in relation to this that you would like to discuss?  Please feel free to point them out and we will be more than happy to adiscuss them with you.

I merely wanted to know how the Nisut relates to your practice. I'm not from a large faith with a huge figurehead- it's a foreign concept to me. I have no idea what one gets out of having a large figurehead- so I was curious to know how it related to your practice.
Quote from: Shefytbast

Something to bear in mind is that a HPS/HP is typically rooted in the idea of a coven, which is a very small, close-knit group, and which is designed to be an intimate spiritual setting in which all the members function as part of the priesthood. Also, each small group, though sharing ties and lineage with others, is essentially independent in operation. The House is a rather different working model, and it probably does bear more relationship to the Catholic church and the pope than it does to the typical neo-pagan approach. Not that either is better than the other, but they *are* different.

I have to admit it's a foreign concept that I'm trying to wrap my head around. As I'm sure you can tell, it's taking time. Hence my wondering how a larger figure plays into your practices and faith. I've never had anything like that before, so it's... different to me.
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For me personally...she's important to my practices because
- her teachings supply the framework for the majority of my ritual practices
- I also learn from her continually via chats, podcasts, postings, and other writings
- I work as her deputy in performing the state rite
- she is a model of service that I strive to emulate
- she is the human heart and linchpin of this faith that has given me so much

I do a fair bit of studying on my own to further develop my knowledge, and much comes to me via direct connection with my Mother and the other Names, so Hemet isn't my sole source of spiritual direction. But she's a very, very important one, and I honor the work that she's done and continues to do in building this House.

Does any of this help?

YES. This is the kind of stuff I am looking for lol.
I have a question- what exactly is a "state rite" vs... a non-state rite?
-Devo
Title: Re: Leadership in the Common Era
Post by: Metitaitui on December 29, 2009, 10:30:33 am
As one of the ones who contributed to the off topic-ness I apologize though I don't think I was entirely in the wrong for doing so as I was directly responding to something you had said.

Anyway, the Nisut is both my teacher and my spiritual mother. While I take many avenues of learning, when it comes to this faith Hemet has contributed a lot to my knowledge. She is my spiritual mother because she was the one who initiated me into this faith if you think of initiation as a re-birthing process. I have much respect for her and while I may not always agree I do take into consideration all that she says. In a way I guess you could say she is one of my role models. :)
Title: Re: Leadership in the Common Era
Post by: HehiAset on December 29, 2009, 10:41:41 am
Em Hotep,
In some ways we regard ourselves, in HoN, as a Nation  - albeit as the Jews were, without a Homeland (but no pretensions to annex one).

The State Rite is carried out  specifically on behalf of the Nation as a whole, not to mention the world in general,for the good of all and protection from "evil".It is something you need not concern yourself with for 2-3 years at least,of Membership should you decide to join.

The non-state rite is one given to us by the Nisut, after Beginner's, when we decide to "stay" in HoN at one of two levels (our choice entirely) and is between each of us and our God for our benefit (tho there is a portion within it where we can pray for family, friends etc on a personal basis.

Without being rude, may I suggest that it is time you called an end this "fishing trip" and tried the new Beginners' course , after which you can reject or join as your inner feelings dictate.



Senebty

Hehi


Title: Re: Leadership in the Common Era
Post by: Maretemheqat on December 29, 2009, 10:45:13 am
Quote from: Devo
I have a question- what exactly is a "state rite" vs... a non-state rite?
-Devo


State rite is done with all of Kemet in mind, and done as per the Nisut's direction. It is a formal aspect of worship, much like high mass for the Catholics.

Non-state rite is more informal and personal. That's something you do on your own time. You're not going to have to worry about state rite much at this point until you start looking at becomming a W'ab preist, or perhaps a Sau Magician.

~Maret
Title: Re: Leadership in the Common Era
Post by: Devo on December 29, 2009, 12:41:43 pm
Quote from: Metitaitui
As one of the ones who contributed to the off topic-ness I apologize though I don't think I was entirely in the wrong for doing so as I was directly responding to something you had said.

I have no problem with diverting from the topic, if the discussion moves that way. So no worries.

Quote from: HehiAset

The State Rite is carried out  specifically on behalf of the Nation as a whole, not to mention the world in general,for the good of all and protection from "evil".It is something you need not concern yourself with for 2-3 years at least,of Membership should you decide to join.

Only reason I asked was because I had seen it mentioned a few times, I just wanted clarification, so that I could understand better.
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Without being rude, may I suggest that it is time you called an end this "fishing trip" and tried the new Beginners' course , after which you can reject or join as your inner feelings dictate.

As I have mentioned countless times before in this thread- I have sent in my information, and am currently waiting to hear back.
Quote from: Maretemheqat

State rite is done with all of Kemet in mind, and done as per the Nisut's direction. It is a formal aspect of worship, much like high mass for the Catholics.

Non-state rite is more informal and personal. That's something you do on your own time. You're not going to have to worry about state rite much at this point until you start looking at becomming a W'ab preist, or perhaps a Sau Magician.

Good to know.
-Devo
Title: Re: Leadership in the Common Era
Post by: Senushemi on December 29, 2009, 02:35:21 pm
Em hotep Devo!

I'd like to add that State Rite is performed by the priesthood and Hemet Herself, you have to be trained in it by Hemet (AUS).  

The non-state rite is actually taught during the beginner's class, so even if you decide that Kemetic Orthodoxy is not for you, you will still have the information pertaining to our most basic rite as a community.  I think of it as being akin to going to mass when I was Catholic, only we do this at home, just me and Netjer.  

As for our Nisut... if it weren't for Hemet (AUS), there would be no Kemetic Orthodoxy to learn about and follow.  She is a direct conduit between Netjer and the rest of us, passing along Their wishes and teaching us about new practices They have asked Her to start (like RPD, for example).  

I think comparing Her to the Pope is about as close as we can get to a "real-life" example.  She is our Pope, so to speak, someone who we can trust to hear Netjer's voice better than most and therefore get Their words correct more often than most - maybe not 100% accurate 100% of the time, but pretty darn close - and a whole heck of a lot closer than I feel that I get.  After all, She does carry the Kingly Ka, so She has an advantage there.  :)

In short, She has given us our spiritual home here just by accepting the Kingly Ka and "being" what Netjer has asked Her to be.  That's what She means to me, in a nutshell.  

Edited to add:  You won't hear back about the beginner's class much before the next one starts, so please don't feel that you're being ignored for the next month or two.  Everyone else who applies for the next class will be in the same boat.  I think it's probably just easier for them to wait and see who all wants to be in the group, and then address everybody at once when the time comes, if that makes sense?
Title: Re: Leadership in the Common Era
Post by: Devo on December 29, 2009, 03:29:42 pm
Quote from: Senushemi
 

The non-state rite is actually taught during the beginner's class, so even if you decide that Kemetic Orthodoxy is not for you, you will still have the information pertaining to our most basic rite as a community.  I think of it as being akin to going to mass when I was Catholic, only we do this at home, just me and Netjer.  

I figured (after hearing the general difference) that the non-state rite is the senut that I hear about pretty frequently. I have a general idea how it works, and whatnot.
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Edited to add:  You won't hear back about the beginner's class much before the next one starts, so please don't feel that you're being ignored for the next month or two.  Everyone else who applies for the next class will be in the same boat.  I think it's probably just easier for them to wait and see who all wants to be in the group, and then address everybody at once when the time comes, if that makes sense?

Yeah, I wasn't expecting to heat back until a date had been solidified, and am in no rush, now that I know where to put all the paperwork in at lol.
-Devo
Title: Re: Leadership in the Common Era
Post by: kathleen on December 29, 2009, 07:48:13 pm
Quote from: Senushemi
someone who we can trust to hear Netjer's voice better than most and therefore get Their words correct more often than most




this one little thing, i think, is perhaps *the* fundamental leap of faith one should be able to make for themselves before taking Shemsu vows.

just thought i'd toss that out there.  :)
Title: Re: Leadership in the Common Era
Post by: Meresinepu on December 29, 2009, 10:01:13 pm
Em hotep Devo *henu*

We are just wrapping up the current beginner class and it takes us about two to three weeks to get the final interviews done (we talk to each and every person that wants to chat with us) and then move folks over so they have other Board access on the forums if they are staying on.

Its going to be about 3 weeks to a month before you hear back but it should come from Kai Imakhu Antybast but feel free to let myself or Kai Imakhu Sedjemes know in a few weeks if you have not received anything yet regarding your acceptance to the next scheduled beginner class.

I'm looking forward to having you in our class and getting to know you.  Thank you for applying.

Senebty!
Title: Re: Leadership in the Common Era
Post by: Corvina on December 30, 2009, 12:43:07 am
Quote from: HehiAset

The State Rite is carried out  specifically on behalf of the Nation as a whole, not to mention the world in general,for the good of all and protection from "evil".It is something you need not concern yourself with for 2-3 years at least,of Membership should you decide to join.


Hold up a sec. Can you clarify that please HehiAset? You make it sound like you have to "earn" the right. Is that what the different "levels" are - EG Remetj, Shemsu, Shemsu-Ankh, Imakhu etc? I was under the idea that, barring the clergy roles, Remetj, Shemsu, Shemsu-Ankh etc were according to different rites that one undergoes when the time is right according to them and if you can physically make it to Tawy, not if you're deemed good enough or stay at a certain level for a certain time.

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Without being rude, may I suggest that it is time you called an end this "fishing trip" and tried the new Beginners' course , after which you can reject or join as your inner feelings dictate.


Ummm it may not be your intention, but that does kinda come across as rude. It also puts me off asking questions too. I think anyone who doesn't clarify information before making the decision to commit to learning is acting hastily. I hardly think Devo is just "fishing" for info given s/he has been here longer than me.

Senebty and thanks,
Corvina

Title: Re: Leadership in the Common Era
Post by: Asetwedjbai on December 30, 2009, 01:18:08 am
Em hotep, Corvina

I apologize if this is disjointed, it's pretty late here :)

Anyone who goes through the Beginner's class (or purchases the Prayerbook) gets the "official daily rite" of Kemetic Orthodoxy, Senut. Everyone at any level is welcome and encouraged to perform that rite.

The first level of priesthood, the W'abu, are responsible for a daily rite on behalf of everyone in Kemetic Orthodoxy. That is the State rite.

You weren't asking about the differences in daily rites, Corvina. Sorry about that, but I'll leave it in for now I guess.

What I think Hehi was trying to say is that one can't go from Beginner -> W'ab priest right away; W'abu are taken from the ranks of the Shemsu-Ankh, and I believe one has to be a Shemsu-Ankh for a year before becoming eligible for W'ab training.

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I was under the idea that, barring the clergy roles, Remetj, Shemsu, Shemsu-Ankh etc were according to different rites that one undergoes when the time is right according to them and if you can physically make it to Tawy, not if you're deemed good enough or stay at a certain level for a certain time.

Yes, and no. Weshem-ib, the ritual that one has to undergo in order to become a Shemsu-Ankh doesn't have to be done at Tawy...if there are enough people at another location Hemet and the Imakhiu can do the rite "on the road; I know it's been done at least once before. But otherwise yes, becoming a Remetj, Divined Remetj, Shemsu, or Shemsu-Ankh is done based on the candidate's readiness.

Hope that helps and didn't muddle things up worse!

senebty, Wedjbai
Title: Re: Leadership in the Common Era
Post by: Maainakhtsen on December 30, 2009, 02:33:17 am
Quote from: Corvina
Quote from: Hehiaset
The State Rite is carried out specifically on behalf of the Nation as a whole, not to mention the world in general,for the good of all and protection from "evil".It is something you need not concern yourself with for 2-3 years at least,of Membership should you decide to join.

Hold up a sec. Can you clarify that please HehiAset? You make it sound like you have to "earn" the right.


Concerning the State rituals carried out by priests (which include the Rite of the House of the Morning, mentioned several times here as the "State Rite"); you definitely do have to earn and continually demonstrate your fitness for this privilege.

Quote from: Corvina
Is that what the different "levels" are - EG Remetj, Shemsu, Shemsu-Ankh, Imakhu etc? I was under the idea that, barring the clergy roles, Remetj, Shemsu, Shemsu-Ankh etc were according to different rites that one undergoes when the time is right according to them and if you can physically make it to Tawy, not if you're deemed good enough or stay at a certain level for a certain time.


Remetj through Shemsu-Ankh roles are undergone according to your readiness. Priests (designated as W'ab, Imakhu, Kai-Imakhu on the boards, for your reference) or those seeking to be priests  can definitely be:
-asked to wait to train for
-refused entirely from
-fired or suspended from the priesthood

People have been.
Title: Re: Leadership in the Common Era
Post by: Shezatwepwawet on December 30, 2009, 08:07:42 am
If I may add a little more, becoming Shemsu-ankh isn't an automatic either if you simply want to do it. It's a privilege, and just because someone is SA, doesn't mean they are somehow more special than any other member of the House.
Title: Re: Leadership in the Common Era
Post by: Qaitsenu on December 30, 2009, 09:10:47 am
Quote from: Shezatwepwawet
If I may add a little more, becoming Shemsu-ankh isn't an automatic either if you simply want to do it. It's a privilege, and just because someone is SA, doesn't mean they are somehow more special than any other member of the House.


Zat is right.  Not more special than any other.
However there is a different level of responsibility, but responsibility does not equal "specialness" or better... just different.

Actually it's somewhat rougher because certain expectations are enacted - you are expected to look after your brothers and sisters in the faith, you are expected to be an upstanding member in the faith,...ect.

These are expectations the community has of the Ankified ones as well as the expectations the Gods have.

That's not to say the SA's are perfect all the time - we're all human and mistakes will be made (that's inevitable).  

One thing worth pointing out, and this has been mentioned before:

When it comes to the priesthood, SA's and S's... it's important to note that we're ALL shemsu... just shemsu with different responsibilities.
(kind of like pointing out that in the priesthood, we're ALL w'abu... just wa'bu with different responsibilities and the "titles" (if you will) denote the responsibility differences)

They (titles or responsibilities) don't make anyone "better" than anyone else.  Just doing different work.
Title: Re: Leadership in the Common Era
Post by: Corvina on December 30, 2009, 04:45:45 pm
Thanks guys, that helps.

Senebty,
Corvina
Title: Re: Leadership in the Common Era
Post by: Niheri on September 20, 2010, 07:48:19 am
Thankyou, Devo, for starting this very interesting discussion. I have to admit, I was a little "put off" at first by the idea of the Kingly Ka being carried by one specicific individual, but as I learn more I think that the Nisut would not be able to fulfill Her responsibilities if She did not. She obviously cares deeply for Her spiritual community, and works very hard on everyone's behalf. It is very unlikely that I would be able to meet Her, but if I could I would count it a privilege. Everyone@s answers to your original question have been really helpful to me. Thankyou :).
Title: Re: Leadership in the Common Era
Post by: MERITSEKHMET on March 02, 2012, 01:32:52 pm
Quote from: Sedjemes
Hotep Devo

I can only answer as a Kemetic Orthodox. I came to the House of Netjer, with as full of an understanding as I could have, after completing the beginners/prospective members/interested people course offered here, and after reading a lot of scholarly texts on egyptian religion and history.

Not every Kemetic may think a Nisut is important. That is fine. Here, the Nisut is our spiritual teacher, our leader, and our King. She does not set down "commandments" or "rules" for us or even tells us how or when we should pray and how our lives should be before we can even pray;  but in matters of state ritual She is the Chief and Only Priest.

Hope this helps :)

Senebty
Sedjemes


Just out of curiousity you said:

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state ritual


Which "state" were you refering to? A physical location? A "state" of mind? Egypt?

Thanks :)
Title: Re: Leadership in the Common Era
Post by: Sedjemes on March 02, 2012, 02:16:13 pm
Em hotep

In the Kemetic Orthodox context (which is how I replied) the "state" here refers to our faith, Kemetic Orthodoxy, as a whole. We are a people of faith (in case it was not apparent to guests, these forums are a discussion adjunct of the House of Netjer, our Kemetic Orthodox temple, and not merely a generic Kemetic discussion forum).

As Kemetic Orthodox we consider Rev. Tamara Siuda as our Nisut, who performs rituals on behalf of the nation of faith, that is, all Kemetic Orthodox around the world. The priests of this faith do likewise, just as in antiquity. At the same time and in addition and complementary too, each and every single individual Kemetic Orthodox has personal, private devotionals, prayers, rites, and ways to worship and honor the gods.

Senebty
Rev. Marie/Sedjemes
Title: Re: Leadership in the Common Era
Post by: DjedefSokar on March 02, 2012, 03:30:30 pm
I have talked to him, I do not beleieve he is a prankster, I believe he stands for what he says