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Title: on making my first offering (at the risk of sounding stupid)
Post by: Benethusia on August 21, 2010, 03:23:13 am
So I've been wanting to make an offering to Netjer for a while. To that end I've been looking up past posts on the subject. My goal in offering is kind of a "Hi there! I respect you and would really appreciate it if you would tell me/show me  more about you so I can actually form a relationship with you" type thing.

I, unfortunately, do not have a ton of money but I wanted to make the offering as  good  a one as I could. So I bought some Ginger ale and some Pecan Sandies cookies to offer. I wanted to offer fruit as well but the produce looked like it had seen better days.

So here are my concerns:
 -In reading back through some past posts I saw a lot on purity and menstruation. My problem is I have an illness that pretty much makes my menstrual cycle irregular and really , really long. To the point where I'm hospitalized receiving blood transfusions. Does this mean I can never do normal offerings such as I described above? I realize I can't do the formal rites

- When I was part of a religious authoritarian cult (years ago) I was part of a ministry where we would cast demons out of people and came against spirits we thought were not of the Christian God. Some of these spirits were (supposedly) Egyptian. I did this when I was at my most brainwashed and I did it out of ignorance( and suffered for it). If some of those spirits were actually  Egyptian does this mean I run the risk of angering the Names by even approaching them? i figured if they were mad at me for that past involvement then  I wouldn't even be here now trying to learn about Kemetic Orthodoxy with an eye to becoming Shemset, they would have driven me off somehow. If anything I think I'm being drawn towards, not repelled away.

Anyhow, forgive me, I am a grass green newbie to all of this.  I'm still going through old posts, reading my mythology, and the Wiki. hoping for a spot in beginners classes when it comes up again. I mean no disrespect. I just don't want to be on the bad side of  Netjer inadvertently.
Title: Re: on making my first offering (at the risk of sounding stupid)
Post by: Qaitsenu on August 21, 2010, 04:08:13 am
M htp Benethusia,

Welcome to the boards.  I'm glad you're finding your way around the forums.  

To address your concerns: what you've described for your offerings sounds just fine.  In my experience, Netjer appreciate our intent as well as the offering itself- often specifically what you like.    If you like it, there's an excellent chance Netjer will like the offering as well.

As for the purity issues you've seen mentioned, the really strict rules fall mostly to the priesthood.  Some Names are more finicky than others, but for your situation I'm sure Netjer understands.   Make sure you are as pure as possible given your circumstances, body and mind, and offer to Netjer.  More will be covered in the beginner's class about purity and personal purification.  

Netjer is forgiving and wants us to be happy.  Every moment, every day is Zep Tepi- a new chance to start fresh and give it another shot.  Give yourself permission to forgive yourself for any mistakes you made in the past.  What is in the past is in the past and it is done.  Now is your zep tepi and what matters is who you choose to be and how you act and what you do moving forward.  Netjer understands what is in your heart, and that's what matters.

And don't worry about sounding stupid- you didn't! :)
Title: Re: on making my first offering (at the risk of sounding stupid)
Post by: ubenet on August 21, 2010, 01:18:54 pm
you can definitely make offerings when you're sick.  i offer things informally all the time, in varying states of health - to the point where i think i remember offering to share my morphine with Netjer when i was hospitalized last year for a horrible infection (that was an interesting few days).  They know when we're doing the best we can, if that makes sense.

i also don't think They'll hold your past against you.  things people do while they're in the thrall of cults are no more their fault than things little kids do when they don't know any better.  and anyway, even if They had been offended, approaching with offerings is always a good way to ingratiate yourself to gods or humans ;)
Title: Re: on making my first offering (at the risk of sounding stupid)
Post by: The Tai'awepwawet System on August 21, 2010, 02:58:22 pm
Everything bar formal rites is fine when not pure for whatever reason.

And, except for state rites, there is often a degree of flexibility (eg for Senut). Various problems like lack of/no time for whites, constant menstruation, a chronic wound, can be dealt with so long as we do our best to make sure everything is clean, dry and dressed as appropriately as possible. Some Gods may ofc be less accommodating, but that's between you and them.
Title: Re: on making my first offering (at the risk of sounding stupid)
Post by: Paymaayinepu on August 21, 2010, 10:15:02 pm
As others mentioned, purity is only an absolute when you have an opened icon. Since you don't have one, you can approach the Names as you feel comfortable doing so.

As you start to establish a relationship with specific Names, They will probably make it clear what is and is not appropriate when you approach Them.

As for offerings, I have found that more often than not, it is the act of giving They find most pleasing. I have also found that the very notion that you want to give to Them, that you have found the time and conscience to think of Them, pleases Them. There are only a few very specific things that certain Names would find objectionable so, barring them, anything you can provide is more than enough.
Title: Re: on making my first offering (at the risk of sounding stupid)
Post by: tutamun on August 22, 2010, 04:47:53 am
en-hotep!

i find purity not a problem, but if i am realy worried i'l start by blessing the offering before hand useing an old wiccan way, i also wash my hands before makeing the offering as a sign of respect, i also find looking at rituals the egyptians used and their practices like the baby in the cot, takes place in october (i think) and the feasts of ra 7th day of each month so i know definitly when i can make oferings and perform rituals without worring about illness or impureness.
Title: Re: on making my first offering (at the risk of sounding stupid)
Post by: Benethusia on August 28, 2010, 06:17:30 am
En Hotep,
I just wanted to thank you all for your answers. They were really appreciated.
It appears that Sekhmet has chosen to work with me =}
This made me nervous at first because, well, Hello this is Sekhmet we are talking about. As far as I can tell she isn't all butterflies and rainbows. However, she has been nothing but patient and empowering with me.

At least now I know what she likes for future offerings =} I'm just trying to learn how to hear from her more effectively. There's still a bunch of detritus to sort through from my days as a christian. At least progress is being made.

Anyhow, I just really wished to thank you all for taking the time to answer my question.

Seneteby
Title: Re: on making my first offering (at the risk of sounding stupid)
Post by: Khesretitui on August 30, 2010, 04:30:37 pm
We all have our baggage, no doubt. The others have covered purity issues rather sufficiently, so I'll just share this bit about offerings:

Offerings, in my personal experience, are something we give out of gratitude and reverence. My household is none too opulent, and we're in the process of battling down our debts as well, so if we're not able to afford top dollar materials, as long as we're not being deliberately cheap (as opposed to frugal; there is a difference), it's fine.

I once offered a PB&J to Set because it was literally all I could afford. It's the intent, really.
Title: Re: on making my first offering (at the risk of sounding stupid)
Post by: Following_Sekhmet on September 02, 2010, 10:54:51 pm
Oh I'm going to agree with that. A girl on another forum asked if candy was alright as that's all she had. I told her that it's intent that matters and that the Gods will understand that you don't have a billion dollars to spend.
Title: Re: on making my first offering (at the risk of sounding stupid)
Post by: The Tai'awepwawet System on September 03, 2010, 10:00:06 am
Plus sometimes the Gods like candy.
Title: Re: on making my first offering (at the risk of sounding stupid)
Post by: Following_Sekhmet on September 03, 2010, 10:43:29 am
Oh yes, me like candy, lol. I'm going to say this. Even though I don't observe Halloween (and no I don't care that a important Isis or whatever holiday lands on Halloween) the plus side is that they sell tons of candies and other sweet treats. Perfect to give to the gods. Of course we must make sure they brush after having a cupcake. Don't want Sekhmet to get a toothache or bad case of tooth rot, lol.
Title: Re: on making my first offering (at the risk of sounding stupid)
Post by: Denderah on September 03, 2010, 10:12:00 pm
While I understand that it's the intent behind the offering, is there something specific I should be offering to Set?  Since I haven't a clue what I'm doing yet, I worry about offending him.  My research is very conflicting.  Some say he'll only take rum, others insist only wine or beer.  I'm confused.
Title: Re: on making my first offering (at the risk of sounding stupid)
Post by: Khesretitui on September 03, 2010, 10:52:45 pm
We've all had our own personal experiences with him, and many of those are affected by our personal situations. Consider the following:

If Shemsu A drinks, Shemsu B smokes cigars and drinks, and Shemsu C is a recovering alcoholic who is trying to quit smoking, what Set may want from each will be different. He, in my experience, wouldn't expect Shemsu C to offer something that could cause Shemsu C harm.

Meanwhile, Set might appreciate alcohol from A and B, but wouldn't ask tobacco of A if A doesn't smoke.

Then consider Shemsu D, who might love vodka but hate rum. Since, in my experience, Set wants his offerings consumed and not wasted, it wouldn't make sense for D to offer rum, as it would be wasted, effectively.

Generally, he likes strong things, spicy things, and meat, in my experience. You can also dedicate feats of strength and/or valor to him. What each of those things might be will depend on you -- and if you don't eat meat for whatever reason, I doubt he'd expect a meat offering.

Why not ask him yourself and see?
Title: Re: on making my first offering (at the risk of sounding stupid)
Post by: Setkheniitw on September 03, 2010, 11:04:48 pm
I agree with Khesret... a lot of this is going to depend on what the particular worshiper can or will consume.

As far as drinks, although I like rum, I don't drink it often and therefore don't offer it often.  When I drink alcohol it's usually beer, which I do offer.  Most often I offer Coke Zero.  Why?  Because that's what I've been drinking.  I'd say that rum, whiskey, brandy, and beer are good choices.  I don't drink coffee anymore, but I used to offer that too.  Oh, and like seven or so years ago I used to offer Him Burger King a lot.  I'm not suggesting it, I'm just saying it worked.

I'd also say that red meat, lettuce (especially good leaf lettuce or garden lettuce that has milky sap), ethnic food, dark chocolate, and spicy/piquant foods are great.  Hot sauce, stuff like that.
Title: Re: on making my first offering (at the risk of sounding stupid)
Post by: Following_Sekhmet on September 03, 2010, 11:50:23 pm
I agree with Setkheni_itw on the offerings. The Gods understand that things are different and if the worshiper likes something then they will. I went to wal-mart and bought a whole bag of kit kat to do offerings and a bottle of peach mango drink. It's from V-8 (It's really good and you can't even tell the veggies are in there). So this Sunday, when I'm free from my G.E.D stuff (I'm doing a on-line thing so that I can get my G.E.D), I will give prayer and offering.
Title: Re: on making my first offering (at the risk of sounding stupid)
Post by: Taqaisenu on September 04, 2010, 06:28:34 am
Quote from: Denderah
While I understand that it's the intent behind the offering, is there something specific I should be offering to Set?  Since I haven't a clue what I'm doing yet, I worry about offending him.  My research is very conflicting.  Some say he'll only take rum, others insist only wine or beer.  I'm confused.


I've not found Him to be picky. I suggest going with your gut, now that you've done some homework, and offer what you think would be appropriate.

Like Khesret, I've found He likes His offerings consumed, so if you offer food/drink, make it something you, too, would enjoy.  He also likes to enjoy the  offerings with you, He does not like it when I leave something out for Him. So I suggest offering (if you can) and sitting down whim Him to share in it. He and I have great conversations when I do this. So, when you offer, sit and visit! :)
Title: Re: on making my first offering (at the risk of sounding stupid)
Post by: Following_Sekhmet on September 04, 2010, 09:29:40 am
What about Sobek and Hathor? What offerings do you give them? I'm thinking about starting a shrine dedicated to Sobek and Hathor (they won't be Egyptian because my mother got really ticked off that I spent so much of her money on her card for my Egypt things even though she didn't tell me that I couldn't) and I'm going to have it in the hall.
Title: Re: on making my first offering (at the risk of sounding stupid)
Post by: Sobekemiti on September 04, 2010, 09:47:45 am
I cant help with Hethert, but I do know Sobek. He likes alcoholic spirits (doesn't seem keen on beer; apparently it's not strong enough?), anything green and/or shiny, jewellery, trinkets, chicken, and possibly red meat (I haven't tried it, but He might appreciate it). I also write Him prayers and hymns and things, which He seems to like as well. But go with your instincts.

If you're looking for representations of Sobek and Hethert that aren't particularly Egyptian-looking, try a small toy figure of a crocodile, and maybe a cow for Hethert? It could be innocuous enough to not look much like a shrine. Maybe add a small green crystal for Sobek? Start with little things, things that are meaningful to you, and aren't that obvious to anyone observing them. I hope that's helpful. :)
Title: Re: on making my first offering (at the risk of sounding stupid)
Post by: Following_Sekhmet on September 04, 2010, 09:55:23 am
Thanks, which I could help my hypocrite mother and her desire a few months ago to spend over $200.00 on Acai berry pills. Now I blew my top over that (found them on Penn Herb company here in the states for under $10.00 a piece). Heck she should be happy that I didn't want the super expensive Egyptian statues and thought about her feelings. Of course she forgot all about the Acai Berry pills when she was yelling at me.
Title: Re: on making my first offering (at the risk of sounding stupid)
Post by: The Tai'awepwawet System on September 04, 2010, 10:13:40 am
Quote from: Setkheni_itw
lettuce (especially good leaf lettuce or garden lettuce that has milky sap


Knowing the reasoning behind that, I'm going to grimace at the thought of reverting *that* offering XDDDDD
Title: Re: on making my first offering (at the risk of sounding stupid)
Post by: Following_Sekhmet on September 04, 2010, 05:51:52 pm
Something that I've found as an odd offering and I also think maybe a sense of piety is change, money. Not dollar bills but maybe a couple of  coins that you have in your pocket and using that to continue to give other offerings. Trust me those little pennies grow.
Title: Re: on making my first offering (at the risk of sounding stupid)
Post by: Taqaisenu on September 04, 2010, 08:35:56 pm
Quote from: 3467
What about Sobek and Hathor? What offerings do you give them?

For Hethert, the simplest thing you can do is offer Her fresh, fragrant, beautiful flowers. Undyed. It's not overtly kemetic, and it brightens up any room or hallway. :)  You can offer Her pretty much anything that makes YOU happy and joyful. Singing and dancing, joyful sound anmd movement, also go a long way. Offer to Her the baking of cupcakes, then give them all away. Spreading joy and happiness in Her Name, one cupcake at a time. :)

She is less about the 'stuff' than She is about the effort and the intent.
Title: Re: on making my first offering (at the risk of sounding stupid)
Post by: Setkheniitw on September 04, 2010, 10:27:42 pm
Hethert (Hathor) I tend to call upon more than I always think I do... I get a sort of sweet, feminine vibe from Her (not a weak one, certainly) and my first instincts are always to offer flowers, cosmetics, candy, instruments, and jewelry.  Also beer, but I think I pretty much offer that to everyone.
Title: Re: on making my first offering (at the risk of sounding stupid)
Post by: Denderah on September 04, 2010, 10:32:08 pm
Quote from: Taqaisenu
Quote from: Denderah
While I understand that it's the intent behind the offering, is there something specific I should be offering to Set?  Since I haven't a clue what I'm doing yet, I worry about offending him.  My research is very conflicting.  Some say he'll only take rum, others insist only wine or beer.  I'm confused.


I've not found Him to be picky. I suggest going with your gut, now that you've done some homework, and offer what you think would be appropriate.

Like Khesret, I've found He likes His offerings consumed, so if you offer food/drink, make it something you, too, would enjoy.  He also likes to enjoy the  offerings with you, He does not like it when I leave something out for Him. So I suggest offering (if you can) and sitting down whim Him to share in it. He and I have great conversations when I do this. So, when you offer, sit and visit! :)



In Tameran Wicca, this is always the way I made offerings.  I love to just sit with the Gods and talk.  For some reason, I didn't think this would be okay in K.O.  I guess I thought it was too casual. As you can see, I really need to take the beginner's course.  Thanks so much for your post.  
Title: Re: on making my first offering (at the risk of sounding stupid)
Post by: Denderah on September 04, 2010, 10:37:58 pm
Can I ask one more question.  When you say Set wants the offering to be consumed with you, does this mean I would pour some beer (this is what I'll be using) into a separate chalice for him or would I drink from the same chalice offered to him?  
Title: Re: on making my first offering (at the risk of sounding stupid)
Post by: Denderah on September 04, 2010, 10:51:44 pm
This really clarified things for me.  Since I don't consume alcohol stronger than light beer, it's a relief to know that I won't have to use rum, which I've never tasted.  

Honestly, it never occurred to me to just ask Set what he wanted, which is a bit weird since I've done this several times with Anpu and even Sekhmet.  

Title: Re: on making my first offering (at the risk of sounding stupid)
Post by: Denderah on September 04, 2010, 10:56:32 pm
Quote from: Setkheni_itw
I agree with Khesret... a lot of this is going to depend on what the particular worshiper can or will consume.

As far as drinks, although I like rum, I don't drink it often and therefore don't offer it often.  When I drink alcohol it's usually beer, which I do offer.  Most often I offer Coke Zero.  Why?  Because that's what I've been drinking.  I'd say that rum, whiskey, brandy, and beer are good choices.  I don't drink coffee anymore, but I used to offer that too.  Oh, and like seven or so years ago I used to offer Him Burger King a lot.  I'm not suggesting it, I'm just saying it worked.

I'd also say that red meat, lettuce (especially good leaf lettuce or garden lettuce that has milky sap), ethnic food, dark chocolate, and spicy/piquant foods are great.  Hot sauce, stuff like that.



Coke Zero, huh?  That's my favorite drink, next to hazelnut coffee.  I had no idea you could use every day food items like this in offerings.  Even in Tameran Wicca,I didn't realize this was accepted.  
Title: Re: on making my first offering (at the risk of sounding stupid)
Post by: Khesretitui on September 04, 2010, 11:25:58 pm
Quote from: Denderah
Can I ask one more question.  When you say Set wants the offering to be consumed with you, does this mean I would pour some beer (this is what I'll be using) into a separate chalice for him or would I drink from the same chalice offered to him?  


In my experience, this is just to consume what has been offered. He's already gotten what he wants from it the moment it's offered, and then it's been returned, so to speak, for the one making the offering to partake.
Title: Re: on making my first offering (at the risk of sounding stupid)
Post by: Setkheniitw on September 05, 2010, 12:37:38 am
Quote from: Denderah
Coke Zero, huh?  That's my favorite drink, next to hazelnut coffee.  I had no idea you could use every day food items like this in offerings.  Even in Tameran Wicca,I didn't realize this was accepted.


When I offered soda the first time the first thing that popped into my head was "I like the bubbles, they burn."

Generally speaking, because in Kemetic Orthodoxy we are expected to use our offerings after offering them to Netjer, we offer stuff that we eat and drink.  And since in theory those of us specifically Kemetic Orthodox perform Senut every day, it wouldn't be very functional to buy a whole different set of food items just for Senut.

Reminds me of a picture I saw once, actually.  (Searches, finds) Ah, here we go.  This is a picture of a pile of offerings at a Wep Ronpet gathering.  There's Coke, doughnuts, I see some Pom Wonderful there, some Cheetohs, I swear there are mint Lifesavers somewhere in there...
http://gallery.kemet.org/album18/15_0158

Oh, here's another one revealing Chewy bars and more doughnuts.  Very nice.
http://gallery.kemet.org/album18/17_0160

I do buy and prepare special foods for feast days and when I'm in the mood to, but on a general basis... no.
Title: Re: on making my first offering (at the risk of sounding stupid)
Post by: Following_Sekhmet on September 05, 2010, 02:04:47 am
Love the photo. So what do you guys think about leaving money in a little container (for those that have some sense of will power) so that you can keep on buying the offering and incense. In our family we use to be unable to save anything up because we couldn't afford to do that. However since my brother has started working we have been able to because so much of my mother's money isn't focused on bills and food.

Yesterday I did my first Senut, messed up on a couple of points, and gave my offering of incense to Sekhmet. However I had read a couple of days ago that a woman, who use to be a Hellenist, gave coins to Sobek when she did her ritual along with whatever you give Sobek (I think she kept on giving him soda because she doesn't drink or something like that). Well at the end of the year she had well over three hundred dollars to spend on offerings, candles, and even something new for her shrine.

Pretty cool.
Title: Re: on making my first offering (at the risk of sounding stupid)
Post by: Tanebet on September 05, 2010, 09:51:10 am
Em Hotep *henu*,

if you offer coins it would probably be a good idea to ask the deity in question if it is OK to retrieve the money and buy shrine itmes after some times. Some Gods might tell you that once you offered something it has to stay inside the shrine. Same goes e.g. for jewelery. I am allowed to borrow jewelery I once offered for special occasions but it always has to go back into the shrine after wearing it. And some jewelery I am not allowed to borrow at all.

Senebty
Tanebet
Title: Re: on making my first offering (at the risk of sounding stupid)
Post by: Following_Sekhmet on September 05, 2010, 10:01:29 am
Oh I intend on doing that as well as offering things like rings and other things to Sekhmet and the other gods on my shrine. I think that it's important to ask them for permission. Right now I have no need for the money to use for anything so it will just keep growing and growing. At some point I'll ask Sekhmet if I can use the money for something special and see if she gives her okay.
Title: Re: on making my first offering (at the risk of sounding stupid)
Post by: The Tai'awepwawet System on September 05, 2010, 10:22:51 am
Wep Ronpet morning offerings ftw. This year we said "Less dessert food please! It's BREAKFAST!" and ended up with more fruit juice and nutri-grain than any human could possibly consume.

I have some coins offered to Wepwawet, but I've never considered a kind of.... offered saving fund. Interesting. They probably would be okay with it because a) the money is staying with them in another form, and b) they have no use for a huge amount.
Title: Re: on making my first offering (at the risk of sounding stupid)
Post by: Enbibibast on September 05, 2010, 10:33:49 am
I give Heru-Wer all the US quarters I can find with the falcon on the back. (I think the state is Idaho?) The first time I offered some, it went over really well and I've been doing it ever since.

I haven't discussed it with Him but I'm quite sure He would be fine with the re-investment into better shrine materials. :D
Title: Re: on making my first offering (at the risk of sounding stupid)
Post by: Following_Sekhmet on September 05, 2010, 11:07:26 am
Now if they just had a State coin that had a lion on it then that would be cool. I have another question and this one is about incense. After you do the Senut do you keep the incense burning? I know that you put the flame out of your candle but what about the incense.

Sorry if I'm asking too many questions.
Title: Re: on making my first offering (at the risk of sounding stupid)
Post by: The Tai'awepwawet System on September 05, 2010, 11:21:56 am
Yeah it's Idaho. I got one from Hethert which bugs me because it's missing from my state collection. Argh! Also it has a picture of the state which I think looks like Aset's throne glyph :P


I put my incense out, but I know a lot let it burn out (and like Morning Star for that purpose, as it burns for a good length for Senut, or can be snapped to preference)
Title: Re: on making my first offering (at the risk of sounding stupid)
Post by: Following_Sekhmet on September 05, 2010, 11:37:54 am
I'll keep a look out for Idaho quarters. I stamped my stick incense because the praybook didn't tell me that I was to let it burn completely. Thanks for telling me.
Title: Re: on making my first offering (at the risk of sounding stupid)
Post by: Khesretitui on September 05, 2010, 12:06:18 pm
I typically let my incense burn out on its own. I keep it in a bowl of purified bamboo ash used in the Japanese incense ceremony, but you can also use sand or salt for the same effect. The result has been that my shrine cabinet now permanently smells like red sandalwood.

FWIW, I use Morning Star red sandalwood. It's inexpensive, but it's fairly pure by our standards, i.e. it doesn't contain elements like uric acid and cow dung often found in cheap incenses and incenses from India. Satya Sai Baba Nag Champa incense is one from India that is also pure in this way.
Title: Re: on making my first offering (at the risk of sounding stupid)
Post by: Following_Sekhmet on September 05, 2010, 01:02:06 pm
I actually read in the prayerbook about some of the incense that comes outs that has this. My mother made a face when she heard about this. Where I live at we have a mall not too far away, and I mean walking distance away, and I asked the man about the incense that he sells. It's pure Japanese incense. Does Japanese incense have uric acid and cow dung?
Title: Re: on making my first offering (at the risk of sounding stupid)
Post by: TahekerutAset on September 05, 2010, 01:24:29 pm
Quote from: 3467
Does Japanese incense have uric acid and cow dung?


I don't think it would.  

As far as I know, Japanese incense is pure by our standards, while in India cows are sacred so they'd use the cow dung in incense.  
Title: Re: on making my first offering (at the risk of sounding stupid)
Post by: Bestekeni on September 05, 2010, 01:25:00 pm
I get my incense from www.nipponkodo.com.  It has their Morning Star lines as well as many other things.
Title: Re: on making my first offering (at the risk of sounding stupid)
Post by: NiankhSekhmet on September 05, 2010, 01:30:20 pm
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while in India cows are sacred so they'd use the cow dung in incense.


Not all incenses from India, however, have cow dung.  If you know what to look for that isn't always the case. Most ayurvedic incenses do not have cow dung in them.

I use Nag Champa Satya Sai Baba and have had good luck. I also use Pondicherry, Blue Pearl, and Fred Soll's when I can find it, but it is frightfully expensivee.  Hoever, none of thise have dung.
Title: Re: on making my first offering (at the risk of sounding stupid)
Post by: Following_Sekhmet on September 05, 2010, 04:04:45 pm
Using cow dung is totally gross and I mean it. Thanks for telling me as now I don't feel like I'll be burning anything impure. Right now I have enough incense, I'm using hand-dipped incense, but as soon as its gone I'll be going to the Oriental shop and buying the Japanese incense.
Title: Re: on making my first offering (at the risk of sounding stupid)
Post by: Khesretitui on September 05, 2010, 08:16:04 pm
Japanese incense is just ground herbs and tree bark, so no, it doesn't have uric acid or dung. Nippon Kodo and Shoyeido are two reputable companies who sell incense we could consider pure. Their products range from very affordable bulk incense to incense that's hundreds of dollars a package due to its quality and the rarity of its components.

http://www.shoyeido.com/

http://www.nipponkodostore.com/
Title: Re: on making my first offering (at the risk of sounding stupid)
Post by: Following_Sekhmet on September 05, 2010, 08:26:01 pm
I'm going to bookmarks these sites so that I don't have to worry about not being able to find them. Thanks Khesretitui. I'll buy these and try them out well before I run out of incense.
Title: Re: on making my first offering (at the risk of sounding stupid)
Post by: TahekerutAset on September 05, 2010, 08:42:30 pm
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while in India cows are sacred so they'd use the cow dung in incense.


Not all incenses from India, however, have cow dung.  If you know what to look for that isn't always the case. Most ayurvedic incenses do not have cow dung in them.

I use Nag Champa Satya Sai Baba and have had good luck. I also use Pondicherry, Blue Pearl, and Fred Soll's when I can find it, but it is frightfully expensivee.  Hoever, none of thise have dung.


I didn't mean to say that all of Indian incenses had cow dung just that it would make sense if some did because cows are sacred in India.  And some use cow dung in their incenses for this reason.  

Apologies, I wasn't clear.  
Title: Re: on making my first offering (at the risk of sounding stupid)
Post by: Kadu on January 25, 2012, 08:30:09 pm
Em hotep

It's correct to put differents offerings for differents Names in the same bowl during the Senut? I have 1 bowl to put the libations and another bowl to put the dry offerings. Am I performing correctly or should I have 1 bowl per God to put dry offerings for each One separately?
Title: Re: on making my first offering (at the risk of sounding stupid)
Post by: Rev. Shezatwepwawet on February 05, 2012, 01:54:59 pm
Em hote Kadu!

I just noticed no one ever replied to your question here. I would say that yes, you should have a separate offering bowl for the water libations and for offerings. I keep the bowl in which I offer water free of anything else. Since there is not a lot of extra space in my shrine, food and drink offerings end up on a plate and when it's time for me to consume them, I do.
Title: Re: on making my first offering (at the risk of sounding stupid)
Post by: MERITSEKHMET on March 01, 2012, 03:16:58 pm
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So I've been wanting to make an offering to Netjer for a while. To that end I've been looking up past posts on the subject. My goal in offering is kind of a "Hi there! I respect you and would really appreciate it if you would tell me/show me  more about you so I can actually form a relationship with you" type thing.

I, unfortunately, do not have a ton of money but I wanted to make the offering as  good  a one as I could. So I bought some Ginger ale and some Pecan Sandies cookies to offer. I wanted to offer fruit as well but the produce looked like it had seen better days.

So here are my concerns:
 -In reading back through some past posts I saw a lot on purity and menstruation. My problem is I have an illness that pretty much makes my menstrual cycle irregular and really , really long. To the point where I'm hospitalized receiving blood transfusions. Does this mean I can never do normal offerings such as I described above? I realize I can't do the formal rites

- When I was part of a religious authoritarian cult (years ago) I was part of a ministry where we would cast demons out of people and came against spirits we thought were not of the Christian God. Some of these spirits were (supposedly) Egyptian. I did this when I was at my most brainwashed and I did it out of ignorance( and suffered for it). If some of those spirits were actually  Egyptian does this mean I run the risk of angering the Names by even approaching them? i figured if they were mad at me for that past involvement then  I wouldn't even be here now trying to learn about Kemetic Orthodoxy with an eye to becoming Shemset, they would have driven me off somehow. If anything I think I'm being drawn towards, not repelled away.

Anyhow, forgive me, I am a grass green newbie to all of this.  I'm still going through old posts, reading my mythology, and the Wiki. hoping for a spot in beginners classes when it comes up again. I mean no disrespect. I just don't want to be on the bad side of  Netjer inadvertently.


So that your heart is with the purest of intentions - that's all the gods really want :) Make the wrong offering or burn the wrong incense - not a problem lol! That is all psycho-babble and stage effects. The gods can see into your heart and know your true intentions so no worries :) As you become more and more "experienced" working with that particular god, they will reveal to you as to what exactly is pleasing to them.
Title: Re: on making my first offering (at the risk of sounding stupid)
Post by: MERITSEKHMET on March 01, 2012, 03:20:27 pm
Quote from: Kadu
Em hotep

It's correct to put differents offerings for differents Names in the same bowl during the Senut? I have 1 bowl to put the libations and another bowl to put the dry offerings. Am I performing correctly or should I have 1 bowl per God to put dry offerings for each One separately?


Just do whatever feels "right" at the moment - the gods will guide you :) The gods are not like humans where they will get upset and send fire and destruction upon you if you use the wrong bowl lol :) they see your true intentions and are patient and loving.
Title: Re: on making my first offering (at the risk of sounding stupid)
Post by: Niheri on March 08, 2012, 01:23:47 pm
Em hotep.

Kadu - I had a similar problem with offering to One or more Names in the same bowl. It didn't seem to matter until I became Shemsu. Then, a few days later, I tried to offer to my Beloveds at the same time as offering to my Father, and They all gave me very big "NO". This is only personal experience, but, for me, Wepwawet has to come first, and Senut is only for Him. My Beloveds...well, I do offer to Them, but mostly, They firmly direct me back to my Father, and I can't argue with that :). This is personal experience, but you will probably know what is appropriate at any time. Hope that was helpful in some way!

Senebty,
Ni.
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