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Title: Yinepu/Wepwawet(?) Statue
Post by: Ta_Imu_Aset on August 24, 2010, 09:10:10 am

I just *needed* to share this statue...that is full of ass-kickery.

http://www.cozmictoyz.com/arh-studios-anubis-the-egyptian-god-statue.html


I dunno I might be prejudiced here, but I get more "Wepwawet" than Yinepu with this one, even though it's black.

Title: Re: Yinepu/Wepwawet(?) Statue
Post by: The Tai'awepwawet System on August 24, 2010, 09:14:10 am
That has a lot more Wepwawet to it, although I usually get Dad more Controlled Warrior even when he's roaring/snarling. Also it's brown/black. Also saved, because it has digitrade legs complete-with-dew-claws, and even the right kilt that Dad has when I 'see' him. Awesome!
Title: Re: Yinepu/Wepwawet(?) Statue
Post by: Ta_Imu_Aset on August 24, 2010, 09:16:45 am
I know, I think I might have to get that one...

:  o

I'm getting this "oh oh, yes yes!" rapid nodding thing right now...lol.
Title: Re: Yinepu/Wepwawet(?) Statue
Post by: The Tai'awepwawet System on August 24, 2010, 09:18:55 am
I WISH it wasn't so expensive, I've spent so much recently (looking at you, Retreat!), omg I want it :(((( It *is* good isn't it, haha. Even though the face isn't him, I do think that if I asked him he'd probably go "So??? IT'S BADASS. IT'S TOTALLY ME."
Title: Re: Yinepu/Wepwawet(?) Statue
Post by: Ta_Imu_Aset on August 24, 2010, 09:30:47 am
Yeah the face is a little off but I just keep getting "geeeeet iiiiit" in my head...lol.

Holy crap, I didn't look at the price until just now. Ouch.
Title: Re: Yinepu/Wepwawet(?) Statue
Post by: TahekerutAset on August 24, 2010, 09:31:07 am
That is an awesome statue!  

And it looks brown to me and he's carrying a weapon.  This screams Wepwawet to me.  Yinepu isn't really a warrior.  

And the face reminds me of a snarling wolf, warding someone away from their pack.  Hehe.  Like, "Do you really want to mess with me?"  :-)  

Title: Re: Yinepu/Wepwawet(?) Statue
Post by: Rev. Shezatwepwawet on August 24, 2010, 10:05:15 am
count me in as someone hearing WANT!
Of course that want should also come with the funds because i can't justify that cost right now. :/
Title: Re: Yinepu/Wepwawet(?) Statue
Post by: Satsenu on August 24, 2010, 10:08:00 am
OMG DADDY! lol sorry.... 'blush'

That is a wicked awesome statue though! Thanks for sharing!
Title: Re: Yinepu/Wepwawet(?) Statue
Post by: Ta_Imu_Aset on August 24, 2010, 10:25:15 am
Wow, their Medusa would make a good Renenutet too...without the red eyes of course, and maybe minus the frozen soldier dude. Haa...

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Title: Re: Yinepu/Wepwawet(?) Statue
Post by: Bekamuti on August 24, 2010, 10:39:23 am
WAAAAAANT
That Wepwawet is gorgeous.
Want the Medusa as well, because Cihuacoatl popped in my mind lately.

Sigh, so expensive though.
Title: Re: Yinepu/Wepwawet(?) Statue
Post by: Raheri on August 24, 2010, 11:23:40 am
Sweet!
Title: Re: Yinepu/Wepwawet(?) Statue
Post by: weshebutAmunRa on August 24, 2010, 01:29:52 pm
That is *so* awesome.
Title: Re: Yinepu/Wepwawet(?) Statue
Post by: Denderah on September 12, 2010, 12:53:34 am
How can you all tell the difference between Anpu and Wepwawet?  Anpu was the first Egyptian deity to make himself known to me (I considered him my Patron deity when I was Wiccan) and have spent a lot of time with him in ritual.  But, I can't tell these two apart.

Title: Re: Yinepu/Wepwawet(?) Statue
Post by: Bezenwepwy on September 12, 2010, 04:25:54 am
Quote from: Denderah
How can you all tell the difference between Anpu and Wepwawet?  Anpu was the first Egyptian deity to make himself known to me (I considered him my Patron deity when I was Wiccan) and have spent a lot of time with him in ritual.  But, I can't tell these two apart.


Do you mean visually-speaking? If you do mean visually, you often really can't and it is up to you to decide if any given statue strikes you more as Anubis or more as Wepwawet. :)

Generally speaking, Wepwawet is more often shown as a standing black jackal on a standard and Anubis as a lying down black jackal on a shrine. However, Wepwawet also frequently shows up as a lying down jackal, most often on funerary stelae but there are examples elsewhere too. You can only tell it is him because of what is written, but it does mean a recumbent jackal can be used for him, particularly in connection to his psychopompic aspect. (I associate him in the standing position more with 'this world' kind of stuff.) I've been told Anubis can also be shown as a standing jackal on a standard, but I have yet to see an example of this with my own eyes. :)

When it comes to the jackal-headed human form, there are examples where Wepwawet is shown with a white/grey head, but I get the impression he is just as often depicted with a black head too. He really is like a twin to Anubis, so once again it comes down to the inscription and who is being named. If the context is one of mummification and preparing the deceased (jackal-headed deity leaning over a body for example), it is always Anubis. Also, based on the frequency of appearance in ancient depictions, it seems there is a general trend of Wepwawet somehow 'prefering' to be shown in full standing jackal form, with Anubis 'prefering' jackal-headed human.

When it comes to modern statuary which won't have any inscription, or maybe just has jibberish, it really is up to you. I'd personally lean towards identifying an armed jackal deity as Wepwawet, such as in the case of the statue being talked about in this thread. :D Also I have found that some modern statues and reliefs are based on ancient examples and in those cases a bit of research can reveal who is being depicted.  
Title: Re: Yinepu/Wepwawet(?) Statue
Post by: Denderah on September 12, 2010, 08:54:11 pm
Thanks for taking the time to answer me so thoroughly.  This was most helpful.  I'm learning so much from all of you - what a great experience.  I can't wait to take the beginner's course!  
Title: Re: Yinepu/Wepwawet(?) Statue
Post by: Ta_Imu_Aset on September 13, 2010, 08:14:14 am
Yeah, knowing "general functions" of each can help to sort out the depictions. Although it's often quite hard to box the gods...

For instance, Wepwawet was carried on the standard preceeding an army, going before to open the way to victory, thus any kind of warrior depictions (as is the case with this awesomeness shown here) (to me) scream Wepwawet, whereas the funerary depictions say Yinepu more....I see Wpwt as more gray or brown, Yinepu as black. Yinepu is the "Master Embalmer" and I just don't see Wepwawet in the same function.

Wepwawet predates Yinepu as far as I can tell, but later on They tended to get mushed together, though personally I see Them as quite different, in personality, function and form. Personally I see Yinepu as more of a psychopomp and Wepwawet ad more of an "Opener".
Title: Re: Yinepu/Wepwawet(?) Statue
Post by: Bezenwepwy on September 13, 2010, 08:27:21 am
Funerary depictions are really tricky because as I said - on a lot of funerary stelae, the jackals in the lunettes are actually Wepwawet. He also shows up on sarcophagi.

As for age of jackals, I think they are about as old as each other, certainly reaching into the realms of predynastic. I'm not sure one is definitely older than the other?

With the whole psychopomp thing, at first there apparently wasn't much call for it, but Wepwawet was the original one when it did start to become clear that going to the afterlife involved a dangerous journey. It grew out of his functions of opening the way for the king in life, he started to do it in death too. (So yes, a general Opener!) It really wasn't until Osiris took over Anubis's Khentyamentiu mantle that Anubis then joined Wepwawet in being a psychopomp. Before that he had certainly always been the master embalmer as well as being the foremost of the westerners. He does tend to be more restricted to being a psychopomp and master of the gateway between this life and the afterlife, whereas Wepwawet can open all sorts of ways. That is my understanding of it anyways.
Title: Re: Yinepu/Wepwawet(?) Statue
Post by: Ta_Imu_Aset on September 13, 2010, 08:38:05 am
Hmm, I'm not 100% sure where I read it, but I thought I read something about Wepwawet predating Yinepu. I'll have to go look for it and try to refind it. I would think in general that jackals would be associated with the West, because that's where they buried everyone, and I'm sure the jackals were a'roamin....

And I have come to the same conclusion as you that Yinepu is more of the psychopomp/gate guy and Wpwt more a general Opener...
Title: Re: Yinepu/Wepwawet(?) Statue
Post by: Bezenwepwy on September 13, 2010, 09:01:08 am
Well, it depends on how you want to view it I suppose. The standing 'Wepwawet' jackal and the recumbent 'Anubis' jackal are both protodynastic symbols. And the earliest appearances of the jackal-on-a-standard might actually represent nomes instead of deities, which is something to bear in mind. (And they might very well represent Asyut and Cynopolis at that!)

By Dynasty I, you certainly do get the jackals being depicted as deities and the reading of 'Wepwawet' is firm by the second dynasty, whereas 'Inpw' isn't firm until a few dynasties later. But they're both present as entities regardless. It is possible that before the firm reading of 'Inpw' scholars are considering the recumbant jackal to be Khentyamentiu, but he is surely the ur-form of Anubis. (Also, the imiut symbol is around from the first dynasty too.)

If there is an age gap, I think it is likely pretty negligible, especially as it is so very very long ago! :)
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