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Title: Let's talk about Khnum!
Post by: Satsenu on September 07, 2010, 07:30:41 pm
Em hotep, everyone!

I have decided that I would try learning about Names that I am unfamiliar with yet am curious about and figured I'd start here!

I was wondering what you could tell me about Khnum. I know that He is a creator god via the pottery wheel and is shown with outstretched horns. I understand that He is supposed to be ram-horned but I see the horns more as bull-horns... is that all right?

As far as offerings go, I saw   this (http://www.netjer.org/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=96192&page=1) link. It was incredibly helpful, but I was wondering what anyone else might have to add as far as offerings go. Also, does He prefer any certain colors, textures, or scents?

I am also very curious about everyone's person UPGs on Khnum. I do understand that a lot of people get Khnum as a Ra sync, but I am wondering overall about Khnum on His own.

I really appreciate any information that you guys could give me. Thank you!!

Senebty and much love,
Satsenu
Title: Re: Let's talk about Khnum!
Post by: Munefmontu on September 07, 2010, 09:18:56 pm
Hotep Satsenu,

I <3 Khnum! I need a bumper sticker that says that :)

He is more than just creation and fertility. He is the guardian/father/source of the Nile. He is closely associated with water and the innundation.

Khnums horns are horizontal and supposed to be from a specific ram (which is the first domesticated in Egypt) I can see where one would interpret bull and I can't see anything wrong with that. Aside from the traditional horns, I associated deer horns with Him...not really sure why...they just seem right. Bull horns are out for me...but that may be because Dad claims them and curvy down horns are all Amun-Ra (though sometimes I think antelope or springbok)

I added my two cents to that thread on offerings to Him... so I'll skip answering that here. I will add that as far as textures... grass, dirt, bark, water, stones, rocks.. he seems to have a preference for natural things. Scents... cedar, cypress, pine.

As far as UPG goes... I don't get Him as a Ra sync. I "get" Him as a primal force, very old, and raw but entirely controlled, calm, peaceful, deep, curious,... I wish I was better at describing what I mean...

The best way to get to know Him is just to talk to Him. Maybe do something creative and offer the act to Him.

I hope that helps...
Title: Re: Let's talk about Khnum!
Post by: Satsenu on September 08, 2010, 08:17:00 am
Thank you for your input, Munefmontu!

((It seems to me that I am becoming interested in more Names than I have space for to put on my shrines :eek:. Someday I shall have a whole room for the gods! I know that it isn't necessary to have a place for Everyone, but I loves the shinies. Hehe))
Title: Re: Let's talk about Khnum!
Post by: Satsenu on September 08, 2010, 08:41:18 am
I just had a thought.... Khnum is always said to be 'ram-headed', but no one ever specifies if He is a sheep ram or a goat ram... Curious. :smile: The horns sort of remind me of a Boer goat, but I could be dead wrong!
Title: Re: Let's talk about Khnum!
Post by: Munefmontu on September 08, 2010, 03:19:58 pm
Specifically Khnums animal theophany is said to be that of an extinct breed known as Ovis longipes palaeo aegypticus. Ovis is the genus for sheep...so I suppose that makes His ram a sheep ram. Though in all honesty, He doesn't seem to mind either one. Myself being a capricorn I have sort of an affinity for the goat. I have goats in my shrine for Him.
Title: Re: Let's talk about Khnum!
Post by: Satsenu on September 08, 2010, 03:52:57 pm
Thank you for that info too!
Title: Re: Let's talk about Khnum!
Post by: Nityinepu on September 09, 2010, 02:34:11 am
Hotep, Satsenu!

YaY Khnum!  =D  I have a great statue of Him in my shrine.  so far, its one of the only 2 I've seen of Him with the 'proper' horns.

Here (http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31353556&id=1548907390&saved) it is, though its a side shot.

So far, He hasn't been too picky about offerings- the only thing He really insists on is cool water.  Oh, and He likes yellow and orange, but not like a bright orange.  More of a clay orange.

As for interactions, He likes to sit with me when I'm being creative, especially when I'm using my hands.  He's very calm force- but He is a force.  He's primal, but more like a 'huge calm lake that's been here since the dawn of time' than anything else, if that makes sense.

Hope this helps!
Title: Re: Let's talk about Khnum!
Post by: Djehutyendy on September 09, 2010, 09:11:10 am
I really love Khnum! I don't have a ton of experience with Him, but He has definitely been a part of my spiritual life. The only stuff I have to share about Him is all UPG. I see Khnum as very strong and tough, but at the same time gentle. Like a very large goat that is soft and sweet but has the ability to destroy with His powerful horns. I also see Him as very old and wise. I don't get Khnum as a Ra sync, either.

In my experience, He loves offerings of building and creating things. Clay is an obvious choice here, but any creativity is good for Him! Khnum loves art, architecture, etc.

Colors that I associate with Khnum are dark colors, like black brown, steel gray, etc. I don't really have anything to say about textures. As for scents, I think He likes the richer and smokier scents.

Senebty
Endy
Title: Re: Let's talk about Khnum!
Post by: Meruti on September 09, 2010, 06:28:57 pm
I think Khnum is a pretty cool guy. Eh makes pottery and doesn't afraid of anything!

Seriously, though ... I really, really love Khnum. He is my third Beloved; I was divined as His a couple of years ago after I had a couple of very striking dreams about Him.

I have always found Khnum to be fatherly and protective. He is gently funny and deeply, unfathomably calm. Unshakable is the correct term, I think. His presence feels like an embrace. He's about as talkative as Aset, which is saying a lot, but whereas She is very cool and direct in Her manner, He is warm and rambly. I almost never picture Him with the ram's head; He always appears to me as a tall man with very dark skin and hands and arms streaked with clay.

I've found that Khnum enjoys simple offerings like cool water, fresh bread, and raw leafy greens like spinach and lettuce. Stones, soil, sand, and wet clay all go over well. He likes aquatic flowers and ornamental grasses too, things like water lilies and cattails. I second what Munef said about Him liking scents such as cedar and cypress, and what Endy said about Him enjoying the act of creating art as an offering.

In short, Khnum is about the kindest god you could ever hope to meet. He will love you. I think he loves everyone. :]
Title: Re: Let's talk about Khnum!
Post by: Munefmontu on September 09, 2010, 11:53:23 pm
Quote from: Nityinepu
He's very calm force- but He is a force.  He's primal, but more like a 'huge calm lake that's been here since the dawn of time' than anything else, if that makes sense.
 


Much more eloquently put...and exactly what I meant :)
Title: Re: Let's talk about Khnum!
Post by: Baket on September 10, 2010, 01:20:43 pm
Wow, this is really interesting. As I was reading, I started to think that perhaps when I get my little pond fixed up/cleaned up I would like to dedicate it to Him ... but with all the frogs, I think it's already been taken over by Heqat! lol
Title: Re: Let's talk about Khnum!
Post by: Munefmontu on September 10, 2010, 04:28:53 pm
I'm sure they can share Baket :)
Title: Re: Let's talk about Khnum!
Post by: Baket on September 10, 2010, 04:36:51 pm
Hee hee yes, that's what I get for shooting off the post so quickly, I should have added that it wont hurt to share, and perhaps add Nefertem and Hapy as well. :)
Title: Re: Let's talk about Khnum!
Post by: Satsenu on September 10, 2010, 06:05:19 pm
Oh wow! Thank you so much for all the information so far!
Title: Re: Let's talk about Khnum!
Post by: Satsenu on December 13, 2010, 09:02:20 am
Just bumping this up to see what others have to say. ^_^
Title: Re: Let's talk about Khnum!
Post by: Vega on December 15, 2010, 05:36:45 pm
Khnum is one of my dads.  Somehow it seems kind of weird that he would be my dad with Set because one is a deity of creation and fertility and the other is a god of destruction and the sterile land.

The first time I met him, I was sitting on my bed reading a book.  Suddenly I was aware of an entity in the room who smelled like water, as in an ancient vast lake, who radiated coolness and serenity.  A feeling of fatherly love washed over me.  He didn't have to tell me who he was.  I already knew.

The strangest thing was that when I was a brand new pagan, I was flipping through a book on Egyptian deities and saw his picture.  I did not know who that was, being brand new and all, but when I saw the photo of him on a stelae, I had the thought, "I know who that is.  He is the nicest, most loving man." It was really weird, like seeing a photo of someone I had once known and forgotten but now remembered.

And it's true.  He is the kindest, gentlest netjer.

He loves not only pottery but artworks of all kinds.  I drew a picture of him and framed it and used it as an icon in his shrine.  I also made a sculpture of a ram for him.  He likes to sit beside me on the couch and watch me draw, sometimes giving suggestions of what to sketch when my mind is blank:  "You should draw a ram!"

Oh, and he loves libations of cool water.