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Title: Doubts, Voicing Doubts, and finally accepting HON
Post by: Following_Sekhmet on November 05, 2010, 10:35:27 am
Hello, Everyone,

This thread is not meant to be an insult to members of HON, the Rev, or anyone else.

I haven't been on the boards much, changed by name to Following_Sekhmet and I must admit that I like it. I've been having serious doubts about HON, went as far as doubting that the Rev was who she claimed to be (degree wise, not experience wise), trying to distance myself from everyone here (even though you've all been great). I've read that book "Following the Sun" and it was full of really neat information. However in the time that I've been away I've asked the gods to help me decide. I really missed everyone here and what your all talking about. However I still had my doubts.

Someone told me that HON was a cult and I didn't want to be part of a cult that would land on the news with us holed up with guns and stuff. Personally being part of a cult is very scary and I had nightmares about it. During one nightmare I felt something punching through and I found myself in a large stone room that was filled with ancient writing. On a stone throne was Sekhmet and Heru.

They told me that my fears are unfounded and that the Rev is who she claims to be. So I'm taking their word for it and coming back, with a new name, new view, and new respect for the Rev. Now that the BS in my mind is gone I can now focus on being part of HON. I want to take the beginners class and get my name. I might not be able to come to the meetings and stuff, don't live near a chapter and I don't have a car, but I want to be apart of the community.

I've even directed a new soul here and I'm hoping that she'll be joining us soon. I'll post a picture of my shrine very soon and I'm glad to be back.
Title: Re: Doubts, Voicing Doubts, and finally accepting HON
Post by: Khesretitui on November 05, 2010, 10:44:19 am
Most of us live far and wide, actually. The internet forum is one of our primary modes of fellowship, so in this regard your situation is very much like that of the majority of our membership, AFAIK.
Title: Re: Doubts, Voicing Doubts, and finally accepting HON
Post by: Sedjemes on November 05, 2010, 10:51:56 am
Em hotep

No insult taken. It is always wise, even when considering a place that seems well-respected everywhere, well-liked everywhere, where the people are genuinely kind and the discussions easy--whether that be a possible spiritual home, social or academic club, etc--to take one's time and think long and hard about what one wants and what one might also give.

Here, we are what we are. People might come and stay, or pause for a while and then move on--it's all good, and as it should be.

Both the Nisut (Rev Siuda) and the priests here are always available (through mutual arrangements) to talk with family members,  as well as visitors, if so desired. And that is why we offer the Beginners Enquiry program so that people can see something about what we believe and why we have the structure we have. If they decide this is not a fit for them, it's all good. Always.

And there is never any haste thereafter to become a member. The program itself takes 10-12 weeks, and more happens thereafter--getting a name is not even the very next step (in case any readers wonder about that).

Again, it's all good.
Title: Re: Doubts, Voicing Doubts, and finally accepting HON
Post by: Following_Sekhmet on November 05, 2010, 10:57:13 am
Thanks, I really hate insulting people. Of course people that like to insult the Egyptian gods don't get my respect.
Title: Re: Doubts, Voicing Doubts, and finally accepting HON
Post by: Senushemi on November 05, 2010, 10:59:08 am
Em hotep and welcome back Following_Sekhmet.  Please feel free to ask any questions you may have.  If we don't know the answer, we know someone who does and/or where to find it.  :)
Title: Re: Doubts, Voicing Doubts, and finally accepting HON
Post by: Taqaisenu on November 05, 2010, 11:05:40 am
Em hotep.

Might I recommend first taking the Beginner's Class before accepting the HoN.  

Perhaps if you approach the Beginner's Class with an open mind and heart, without expectation of acceptance or refusal, you may get more out of the experience and walk away with a better view of the path that lies ahead of you. Whether that path be with the Kemetic Orthodoxy or not, it'll be entirely up to you.

Looking forward to seeing your shrine!

- Taqai
Title: Re: Doubts, Voicing Doubts, and finally accepting HON
Post by: Bezenwepwy on November 05, 2010, 11:25:25 am
I think you'll find yourself in good company in terms of people who are in HoN but who had (or indeed have) doubts about some of the aspects of it. I don't think blind faith is *ever* a requirement, even if you become a shemsu. And I personally think it is very healthy to carry a bit of doubt in your pocket, it protects against the psychological impact of organized religion.
Title: Re: Doubts, Voicing Doubts, and finally accepting HON
Post by: Following_Sekhmet on November 05, 2010, 11:35:51 am
Thanks, I'll do that. I'm having trouble with doing the application on-line so I'm going to print it out. I do have a question about the application. Once I do fill it out do I mail it in or do I scan it and then send it?
Title: Re: Doubts, Voicing Doubts, and finally accepting HON
Post by: Sedjemes on November 05, 2010, 11:39:25 am
Hotep!

If your scan comes out clear enough you can certainly send it back as instructed via email attachment.

Title: Re: Doubts, Voicing Doubts, and finally accepting HON
Post by: Iaityinepu on November 05, 2010, 11:47:22 am
I think either option would be accepted
Title: Re: Doubts, Voicing Doubts, and finally accepting HON
Post by: Following_Sekhmet on November 05, 2010, 01:11:44 pm
Thanks, I was worried. My mother isn't exactly comfortable with me signing up for classes but I just want to see what their like. I'm going to have to do everything on-line and by phone but I was told that's how it's usually done if you can't actually be there in person.
Title: Re: Doubts, Voicing Doubts, and finally accepting HON
Post by: Sedjemes on November 05, 2010, 01:27:09 pm
The beginners program consists of ten emailed weekly lessons, along with two optional weekly discussion chats, and ample opportunity to ask questions either in those chats, or on the forums or directly to the teaching priests.

After the program finishes we provide further information to those who finished that group as to what they may want to do next.

Title: Re: Doubts, Voicing Doubts, and finally accepting HON
Post by: Baket on November 05, 2010, 01:41:38 pm
Welcome back! I hope you find what you're looking for. :)
Title: Re: Doubts, Voicing Doubts, and finally accepting HON
Post by: Huyitu on November 05, 2010, 01:49:21 pm
Don’t worry about it Following_Sekhmet, I used to actually be a fairly harsh critic of HON myself and I know there are a lot of active members with a similar background before taking the plunge and signing up for the class and getting to know the community.  So you are in good company.  
Title: Re: Doubts, Voicing Doubts, and finally accepting HON
Post by: Following_Sekhmet on November 05, 2010, 01:55:19 pm
I'm relieved. The strange thing about this doubting and spiritual journey is that no matter how many gods and goddess from different pantheons that I come across, and sometimes worship, I always end up coming back to Sekhmet. When I do my parent divination at some point in my life I'm hoping that my mother is Sekhmet. I won't be upset if it isn't, as I love surprises, but I really do hope so.
Title: Re: Doubts, Voicing Doubts, and finally accepting HON
Post by: Sekhmetnenek on November 05, 2010, 01:56:51 pm
Sounds just like Sekhmet to me. She is a persistent Mother.
Title: Re: Doubts, Voicing Doubts, and finally accepting HON
Post by: Following_Sekhmet on November 05, 2010, 02:24:55 pm
She sure is. I've bought a larger statue of Sekhmet but I'm not going to post a new shrine photo until I get the obelisk. Back when I was practicing Wicca my mother was against it but she knows that I love Egypt, want to make it a job, and I love the Egyptian gods. So other than being worried about me joining HON because of the whole spiritual leader thing, she's very much supportive of my Kemetic belief, which I'm happy about.
Title: Re: Doubts, Voicing Doubts, and finally accepting HON
Post by: NiankhSekhmet on November 05, 2010, 10:10:59 pm
Em hotep Following Sekhmet:

There are always going to be naysayers who will warn you off anything and everything (as if your own doubts aren't enough!) Surely this is not the first time we have heard the charge of "cult" levelled at us.  There are all sorts of rumors out there, some of which you have to wonder where such things come from.

We are ourselves.  None of us here is perfect. The Temple has never demanded blind obedience.  I think the nature of a mostly organized religion sort of sends off alarm bells for people who are running from other organized religions or bad experiences from those Faiths. I think we do pride ourselves on being very open minded, lucid and willing to talk with people about individual concerns, etc.  

That being said, not everyone here agrees 100% with each other  and that's fine.  It'd be one heck of a boring world if we did agree 100% of the time. What binds us together is community and love of Netjer.

Senebty!
Title: Re: Doubts, Voicing Doubts, and finally accepting HON
Post by: Following_Sekhmet on November 05, 2010, 10:56:50 pm
Which is what I feel.
Title: Re: Doubts, Voicing Doubts, and finally accepting HON
Post by: Tobi on November 18, 2010, 04:19:10 pm
Hey, don't worry. I've gone through the beginners class and I am still having doubts as to whether or not I truely belong here and if I should go thorugh the RPD. (Of course, the same thing could be said about my life as a whole.) From my own experiences, I think some level of doubt is acceptable and even healthy. I'd be worried if there were people who weren't, as blind loyalty can be a harmful thing once it gets out of control.

It takes time to figure out where you belong, especially on a spiritual level so you should expect to have some doubts. But it's good to express them, it lets others help you come to terms with them.
Title: Re: Doubts, Voicing Doubts, and finally accepting HON
Post by: NiankhSekhmet on November 18, 2010, 07:09:25 pm
Em hotep Tobi:

Finding out where you belong spiritually should be a lifelong process. There is no magical "arrival" where you have the perfect fit and you never have to think about it anymore or contemplate whether or not you agree or disagree. I would question those who imagine that's how it should work.

We are thinking, feeling individuals all of us, not yes (wo)men. Doubts, fears and skepticism are all designed to keep you safe. There is no problem in using them to ensure exactly that.
Title: Re: Doubts, Voicing Doubts, and finally accepting HON
Post by: Menekh on November 18, 2010, 07:11:18 pm
Em Hotep *henu*

I think doubt can be a very healthy thing.  When dealing with something as personal and as dynamic as faith - especially a faith that involves a great deal of spirit work and heka practice, I think it is wise to walk with one hand open and the other full of doubt. It is a good practice that aids in maintaining balance and also aids in measuring what might be "real" against what might be just our own headspace, or something ingenuine.

It's all good and quite normal and healthy. :)

Menekh
Title: Re: Doubts, Voicing Doubts, and finally accepting HON
Post by: Following_Sekhmet on November 19, 2010, 10:54:40 am
You guys are making me cry, thanks for being supportive. I've talked to the Rev, I got a hold of her on Facebook, and she told me that I can mail the application to her. So I'm there, I'm going to sign up and then decide at the end of the course if I should do the Parent Divination. I really hope that Sekhmet is in it. Of course if she isn't I'm not going to go all crying and screaming. I go with the flow and it will be interesting to see who my divine parents are.
Title: Re: Doubts, Voicing Doubts, and finally accepting HON
Post by: Following_Sekhmet on November 19, 2010, 10:57:42 am
Okay, this isn't related to my question but where is my name and some of the others, their gone-blank. Is something wrong with the system?
Title: Re: Doubts, Voicing Doubts, and finally accepting HON
Post by: Tahai on November 19, 2010, 11:31:08 am
looks fine to me, must have been a temporary glitch somewhere
Title: Re: Doubts, Voicing Doubts, and finally accepting HON
Post by: Following_Sekhmet on November 19, 2010, 11:42:25 am
I don't know, your name is gone as well. Of course it could just be my computer.
Title: Re: Doubts, Voicing Doubts, and finally accepting HON
Post by: Tahai on November 19, 2010, 03:03:41 pm
I think it's your computer.  try a reboot?
Title: Re: Doubts, Voicing Doubts, and finally accepting HON
Post by: Following_Sekhmet on November 19, 2010, 03:19:17 pm
I'll try that.
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