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Title: New Person From Arkansas
Post by: Zeoriel on February 07, 2012, 07:48:14 pm
Hello - or should I say, em hotep. I’m Zeoriel.

I’m a non-op, non-hormone taking, and non-passing gay transman. I have a long list of reasons from financial to stress on the body to the dangers of medical procedures, but one of the biggest reasons is that I want to be a teacher and there is still too much social stigma that I might not be able to teach if I were to trying to pass as male, let alone transition. So I make do.

I’m currently in college getting as double major in education and history and a minor in anthropology. I’m about half way through my college years but still a lot work ahead of me. I grew up watching documentaries on the sciences and history. I read a lot of nonfiction and I write a lot for my own personal enjoyment.

I grew-up being more of a pantheistic person in a non-practicing Christian household, but history has always been alluring to me. Unsurprisingly, since I’ve taken a tern to kemeticism, Djehuty and Heru have rapidly become very significant to me (without ignoring the rest of the Netjer). I’ve actually still shocked and amazed how quickly things have fallen into place for considering how I’ve never been an active spiritual until recently. I’m currently reading a lot of books both on actual history of ancient Egypt (love the perks of being enrolled in college) and modern beliefs. I‘ve also been watching videos from various kemetic youtubers about their own beliefs.

I’m seriously considering taking the introductory classes so I‘ve be finishing filling the application and sending that of shortly though I‘m not sure when classes start next. I can’t say with certainty where my path will end up whether that be Kemetic Orthodoxy or general Kemetic paganism but for now I am here and want to learn.

One thing I am concerned about is that I am part of a multiple system and how might negatively affect my acceptance if I choose to strive for membership or training into Kemetic Orthodoxy. (Just so you know - once came out to a psychologist and she agreed its not DID because we don’t act disorderly and whatnot.) All of my fellows are also neopagan, nature-focused, or similar but I am the only Kemetic thus far. Some of us have been warned in the past that groups of their own beliefs might not teach them, because non-imitated and non-[insert that religion] will end up learning member’s only secrets and traditions. So I’m worried I might also end up meeting with a similar rut in the road.

I am being honest now about being part of a multiple system now because staying silent is paramount to lying, and I do not want to lie to people who I am seeking spiritual guidance from. I won’t ask for special treatment, and I understand if it comes down to not being able to formally be a member because of it.  

…but enough with all the seriousness! Either way, glad to have an account here!
Title: Re: New Person From Arkansas
Post by: Bastmuttepta on February 07, 2012, 08:00:21 pm
Em hotep, Zeoriel, and welcome to the boards!

We have actually had other multiples here in the past, and I believe some may still be here (at least in name, I haven't seen them posting recently). Rest assured you won't be barred from going forward with us simply because you are part of a multiple system, if you choose to do so. It is my understanding, however, that if you do choose to one day undergo the Rite of Parent Divination, that you will only receive one divination (rather than one for each of the members of your system). Also, were you to choose to become a Shemsu in the future, you would only receive one Shemsu name rather than multiple.

But! That is just something to munch on, and shouldn't really affect anything right now. :) We are all very open and welcoming, and love answering questions if you have any!

Senebty!
Title: Re: New Person From Arkansas
Post by: Zeoriel on February 07, 2012, 08:13:49 pm
Thank-you very much. Bastmuttepta? Are the one on Youtube? If you are I’ve been watching your videos.

That is what I remember hearing once, and if that is the case I doubt there will be problem since everyone seems to be quiet fulfilled with their own religion an religious practices. However like you said, that is something for the future and I have to learn the basics first.

Senebty to you as well. (The words and phrases will take a while to get used too.)
Title: Re: New Person From Arkansas
Post by: Bastmuttepta on February 07, 2012, 08:31:16 pm
Yes indeed, I am the one on YouTube :) I'm glad that someone is getting some good out of them!
Title: Re: New Person From Arkansas
Post by: Zeoriel on February 07, 2012, 09:48:05 pm
Your videos have been very informative and interesting not only actually hear people speak about Kemeticism (since there is something to be learned on other levels outside of just text-based) and to learn more about Kemetic Orthodoxy specifically.
Title: Re: New Person From Arkansas
Post by: Tarekbast on February 07, 2012, 10:23:18 pm
Em hotep and welcome Zeoriel! Hope you find what you're looking for here.
Title: Re: New Person From Arkansas
Post by: Helmsman_of_Yinepu on February 07, 2012, 10:51:47 pm
Welcome Zeoriel! I think Tepta about covered it.

I think the current class may have just started, but there's nothing to say you can't get your application in early for the next one.

The KIN forum (http://www.kemetic.info/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=cfrm) has people from inside and outside the House of Netjer on it, and it can be a good resource as well.
Title: Re: New Person From Arkansas
Post by: Mezaenaset on February 07, 2012, 11:30:26 pm
Em hotep and welcome, Zeoriel!
Title: Re: New Person From Arkansas
Post by: Zeoriel on February 08, 2012, 03:25:45 am
Thank-you very much everyone.

If a current class is already started I can wait for the next one. I can gladly study on my on until the next class time roles around. Also, Thank-you very much for the link to the other forum as well. I certainly be reading everything there as well. I certainly have a lot learn.
Title: Re: New Person From Arkansas
Post by: Tanebet on February 08, 2012, 03:36:22 am
Em Hotep and welcome to the boards
Title: Re: New Person From Arkansas
Post by: Wenidjehuty on February 08, 2012, 03:40:45 am
Em hotep and welcome! Enjoy the forum!
Title: Re: New Person From Arkansas
Post by: Rev. Raheri on February 08, 2012, 08:11:20 am
Em hotep and welcome to the forums!
Title: Re: New Person From Arkansas
Post by: Zeoriel on February 08, 2012, 08:22:34 am
Thank-you all very much!

EDIT - Oh and to clean up any possible confusion on IP address difference - I’m in college so tote a laptop around me all around campus as well around home.
Title: Re: New Person From Arkansas
Post by: Khenneferitw on February 08, 2012, 09:36:24 am
Em hotep! It is so wonderful to have you. Thanks for your honest and interest.
Title: Re: New Person From Arkansas
Post by: Itenumuti on February 08, 2012, 10:02:19 am
Em hotep and welcome! You're in good company. We have several genderqueer/trans/you name it folks around, myself included. And like Tepta mentioned, we also have some multiple systems as members of the House. Everyone here is treated as a singular human being, but no one's self-identities will be argued against, so I don't think you've got anything to worry about. :)

Enjoy the learning and enjoy the beginner's course when it rolls around - it's a lot of fun and quite helpful. You'll also find a wealth of resources just reading through the forums and talking to folks.

Nice to meet you. :)
Title: Re: New Person From Arkansas
Post by: Zeoriel on February 08, 2012, 10:24:18 am
Thank-you very much. Pleasure to meet you all.

That is good to hear that there are other trans or genderqueer people here, though I hope being non-op will not confuse too many people. Its also understandable about treating people as singular by going by physical body as it makes its easier from the start, plus since only I am interested in worshiping the Netjer (or is it Netjeru? I’m still normalizing myself with the  phrases and words) and so everyone is only going to deal with me anyway.
Title: Re: New Person From Arkansas
Post by: Asetbesai on February 08, 2012, 11:15:17 am
Em hotep and welcome, Zeoriel.  As one of those that falls in to a similar situation I can tell you that the House is quite accepting of such things.  Feel free to PM me if you have questions. :)
Title: Re: New Person From Arkansas
Post by: Siwy on February 08, 2012, 12:26:27 pm
Hotep Zeoriel and welcome! ^^  I know one of our multiples is posting (albeit she is a bit busy), as she's been active recently.  As far as the one RPD/Shemsu name per body, I think, afaik, it might be similar to the being dependent on family/living with them situation with the beginner's course, where everyone must have some sort of consensus of what's going on (but eh, 3 hours of sleep all night makes me a bit irrational, so I leave that to others who're more rested).
Title: Re: New Person From Arkansas
Post by: Niheri on February 08, 2012, 12:45:55 pm
Em hotep, Zeoriel :).

Don't worry - The House of Netjer is about honouring our deities. There is no judgement on your personal life. I, personally, don't like the word "judgement", as it sort of intimates that we might "fail" at something. If that is the case...well, I'm probably a "failed" mother and grandmother - actually, I think I set high standards for myself and don't congratulate myself on the things that I do actually get right.  (My grandchildren love me :) ).

We are not a judgmental community here. Please feel free to ask any questions you feel you need to.

Welcome :).

Seneby,
Ni.

Title: Re: New Person From Arkansas
Post by: Zeoriel on February 08, 2012, 12:46:22 pm
Thank-you very much, Asetbesai and Niheri.

I can understand what you mean, Siwy. If that is the main concern - wanting to make sure all in the body are savvy on the rules and vows being taken. Community/family and harmony is important and miscommunication/agitation is against the ideals of Kemeticism, I’m correct? If that sums up the main concern, I don’t think there will be a problem at all on our end. Everyone in our system is very supporting of each others religious beliefs and everyone is willing to support each other wherever able whether that be acknowledging each others ethics and taboos/limitations and so on.

Thank-you all for such warm welcomes and support.
Title: Re: New Person From Arkansas
Post by: Helmsman_of_Yinepu on February 08, 2012, 12:54:30 pm
Another part of it is that nobody is required to "give up" or repudiate another faith. So I would guess that all parts don't have to be Kemetic, as long as they're all respectful of everyone.
Title: Re: New Person From Arkansas
Post by: Wenidjehuty on February 08, 2012, 01:24:57 pm
( Like the new icon, Helms - much better! :D )
Title: Re: New Person From Arkansas
Post by: Linda on February 08, 2012, 01:47:50 pm
Em hotep Zeoriel! Welcome to the forum, and I look forward to getting to know you. :) We never judge anyone here on anything. There are several of us who follow other paths alongside Kemetic Orthodox. I follow Druidry and witchcraft, and have found no problem at all. this is a lovely community and they fast became extended family to me. I finished Beginner's Class in January, after the third attempt, :D and I loved it!
 Senebty,
Linda. :)
Title: Re: New Person From Arkansas
Post by: Zeoriel on February 08, 2012, 03:19:10 pm
That’s true, Helmsman and Linda, so even if someone doesn’t believes in multiplicity even by psychological reasons/causes, the me/us situation for all the ‘religious present’ should still not be a problem.  

It took three attempts? Are the classes hard or require tests? Perhaps I should spend my time studying like crazy outside of the introductory class.  
Title: Re: New Person From Arkansas
Post by: Bastmuttepta on February 08, 2012, 03:26:58 pm
Quote from: Zeoriel
That’s true, Helmsman and Linda, so even if someone doesn’t believes in multiplicity even by psychological reasons/causes, the me/us situation for all the ‘religious present’ should still not be a problem.  

It took three attempts? Are the classes hard or require tests? Perhaps I should spend my time studying like crazy outside of the introductory class.  


Hotep, Zeoriel!

There are no tests for the beginners class. It is simply a correspondence course with lessons you can read in your e-mail in your own time, and a chat to come to maybe once a week if you can. Afterwards you are asked if you want to stay on as a Remetj and given a graduation questionnaire (not graded, they're just questions to you), turn that in and there you go. You don't really have to "pass" anything to get through the beginners course, though we do hope you use it as an opportunity to learn as much as you can. :)

Oh! There are, however, "quizzes." These quizzes come with the lessons and they are not graded, I'm pretty sure you can turn them in if you want but I don't think they're required. They're for you to check your own comprehension.

Senebty!
Title: Re: New Person From Arkansas
Post by: Zeoriel on February 08, 2012, 04:04:40 pm
Quote from: Tepta
Hotep, Zeoriel!

There are no tests for the beginners class. It is simply a correspondence course with lessons you can read in your e-mail in your own time, and a chat to come to maybe once a week if you can. Afterwards you are asked if you want to stay on as a Remetj and given a graduation questionnaire (not graded, they're just questions to you), turn that in and there you go. You don't really have to "pass" anything to get through the beginners course, though we do hope you use it as an opportunity to learn as much as you can. :)

Oh! There are, however, "quizzes." These quizzes come with the lessons and they are not graded, I'm pretty sure you can turn them in if you want but I don't think they're required. They're for you to check your own comprehension.

Senebty!


Ah. I see. That makes a lot of sense. Thank-you very much for taking the time to explain the idea behind the classes. It sounds like the classes are a lot more about personal understanding and growth than just or only learning facts and practices.
Title: Re: New Person From Arkansas
Post by: Tahai on February 08, 2012, 06:49:30 pm
Em hotep and welcome, Zeoriel!

Yes, the classes are a special time for getting to know yourself, the Gods, and the community.  It's a 'this is what we are, this is what we do, this is how we (collectively) interact with the Gods, and this is how we (singularly) develop our personal relationships with the gods.

Blessings and Senebty,

Tahai
Title: Re: New Person From Arkansas
Post by: Zeoriel on February 08, 2012, 07:53:29 pm
Thank-you Tahai!

This isn't exactly introductory but it is rather amusingly funny that just happened a bit ago about how much I have to learn -

I read about the use of natron during ritual bathing so I look up natron for what it is and perhaps how to buy it. I find out what its made from and has been used for but can’t for the life of me find a sliver of internet data saying where you can possibly buy it. (I’m wondering - Harps? Wal-Mart? A local health food store?) At a lost I go ask my mother if she has ever heard of natron and she hasn’t the slightest idea let alone where to find it.

Then I stumble on Helmsman of Yinepu’s lovely entry "Bathtime" for the Pagan Blog Project explaining how its made (among other really helpful information), lost silly newbie me can’t help but think “oh!” So then wander back and explain the elementary jest to my mother. She says, “Makes sense. Well, there’s your natron. You know where we keep salt and baking soda.” Boy, nothing phases my mother…
Title: Re: New Person From Arkansas
Post by: Rev. Shefyt on February 08, 2012, 09:22:12 pm

Em hotep and welcome, Zeoriel! I hope you enjoy your time here. (And have fun making your natron! ^_^)

Shefyt
Title: Re: New Person From Arkansas
Post by: Linda on February 09, 2012, 12:22:50 pm
Quote from: Zeoriel
That’s true, Helmsman and Linda, so even if someone doesn’t believes in multiplicity even by psychological reasons/causes, the me/us situation for all the ‘religious present’ should still not be a problem.  

It took three attempts? Are the classes hard or require tests? Perhaps I should spend my time studying like crazy outside of the introductory class.    


No Zeoriel, the classes weren't hard at all. :) It was just me being me and dragging my heels and confusing myself, until Aset kicked me into touch! :D I'm an expert at confusing myself. When I took the class, I realised how I'd worried for nothing. Go for it, you won't regret it, I haven't. *hugs*
Title: Re: New Person From Arkansas
Post by: Zeoriel on February 09, 2012, 02:18:15 pm
Thank-you so much, Shefytbast.

That makes sense, Linda. I doubt I will regret the classes either. It will be a wonderful learning experience.
Title: Re: New Person From Arkansas
Post by: Helmsman_of_Yinepu on February 09, 2012, 08:30:16 pm
Quote from: Zeoriel
Then I stumble on Helmsman of Yinepu’s lovely entry "Bathtime" for the Pagan Blog Project


Thanks! That's so funny, because I just wrote it- just in time for you, apparently. :D

I'm thrilled with the response to the blog. I'm just a few pageviews short of 6,000 in less than a year, which is pretty good for such a specialized subject. Though one of the search terms from this week was "japanese ceramics dirty." I still haven't figured it out!

I think you won't find the class to be difficult.
Title: Re: New Person From Arkansas
Post by: Niheri on February 16, 2012, 02:23:20 pm
Em hotep, Zeoriel,

Personal understanding of our relationship with "God" and each other is definitely what it's all about :).

My best wishes for your journey.
Ni.
 
Title: Re: New Person From Arkansas
Post by: Zeoriel on February 16, 2012, 09:49:22 pm
Why thank-you very much. To you as well of course. I am certainly enjoying myself and already learning so much.
Title: Re: New Person From Arkansas
Post by: Menekh on February 19, 2012, 08:47:49 am
em hotep and welcome!
Title: Re: New Person From Arkansas
Post by: Senushemi on February 21, 2012, 03:05:46 am
Em hotep and welcome Zeoriel, it's nice to meet you. :-)
Title: Re: New Person From Arkansas
Post by: Zeoriel on February 21, 2012, 07:27:02 am
Em hotep. Thank-you very much.
Title: Re: New Person From Arkansas
Post by: Taysatwesir on February 21, 2012, 03:13:49 pm
Em Hotep and Welcome Zeoriel! :)
Title: Re: New Person From Arkansas
Post by: Zeoriel on February 22, 2012, 05:31:39 am
Em hotep. Thank-you very much.
Title: Re: New Person From Arkansas
Post by: Shezep_shuty on March 03, 2012, 03:11:51 pm
Zeoriel!

How did I miss your intro? (You might remember me as Motley.) I emailed the Nisut(AUS) about my special circumstances when I joined, and she did not turn me away. This is a pretty nice community here.
Title: Re: New Person From Arkansas
Post by: Tahesatmuti on March 03, 2012, 05:28:01 pm
Em hotep and welcome from the state upstairs! I'm in the current beginner's course and I'm enjoying it so far. Even though I've been Kemetic for over three years, I still find myself learning something new. Plus I'm making new friends in the process!   :)
Title: Re: New Person From Arkansas
Post by: Tjebni on March 03, 2012, 05:30:04 pm
Em Hotep & Welcome Zeoriel!!! :D
Title: Re: New Person From Arkansas
Post by: Zeoriel on March 03, 2012, 09:57:25 pm
@ Shezep_shuty - Motley! I didn’t know you were Kemetic (or a Shemsu). Good to see you again. Its been some time.

@Meresaset04 - Good to hear the classes are going well for you. I can’t wait till the next class comes around, but until then I’m reading a lot on my own for sure.

@ Senka - Thank-you so much for such a warm welcome.
Title: Re: New Person From Arkansas
Post by: Rev. Sehedjef on March 04, 2012, 12:41:42 am
Em hotep Zeoriel!  *henu*

Welcome to the boards and I hope you're enjoying your time here!  ^_^

Senebty,
Imti