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Title: Does anyone use tarot cards?
Post by: AnomanderRake on March 08, 2016, 12:34:17 am
I don't have the money for tarot cards (though I would love to own a deck) so I've tried using dice for divination/ introspection.
Does anyone have some tips that would apply to divination in general? I've just been getting meaningless, random, contradictory results, at least trying a true/false roll :P
If it worked you'd think you could get the right answer when asking "is my water bottle green" but alas, it's not so :D (wanted to try it to see if I really was getting the right answers)

I'm just wondering if I'm looking at this all wrong or something and how you guys do it. I'm a total newb, I know.
Thanks


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Title: Re: Does anyone use tarot cards?
Post by: Rayashi on March 08, 2016, 01:11:53 am
Here are a couple of tips:

1.  Runes: Since you have access to the internet, making a set is as simple as getting pebbles and using a marker on them.
2. A simple pendulum can be helpful at times, but I use mine mostly for party tricks.
3. Fedw: many of us have been trained by Hemet(AUS) to throw for our gods.  If you have a question, you can always ask one of us.  We do it free or for donations to the house, should you decide to support the temple.

I'll add more if I think of something and hope this helps.
Title: Re: Does anyone use tarot cards?
Post by: Ra'awyserqet on March 08, 2016, 06:39:20 am
I don't have the money for tarot cards (though I would love to own a deck)...

Em hotep!

You can always make your own and/or use a deck of cards. My initial deck that I owned I was terrible with, my second one I made with que cards, my third (and the one I still use today) was bought as a birthday gift. The one I made for myself was as accurate as the one that was gifted to me.

Senebty
Ra'awy
Title: Re: Does anyone use tarot cards?
Post by: Sekhepenaset on March 08, 2016, 09:32:57 am
Em hotep!

I don't have money for Tarot cards either.

So I don't have Tarot cards, I have Tarot sticks.  Go to the dollar or craft store and buy 100 popsicle sticks for a buck.   

Inscribe them with the different Tarot names.  My method is one side is the upright side and the other is the reverse.  After you finish, bless and consecrate them.  I also put some keywords as to what each side may mean so I can do quick divinations without having to consult books....but in my reading for others, I usually delve deeper into what each one means and offer possible explanations. 

I have gotten scary accurate readings.  I have a very skeptical friend I often read for and she says my readings could inspire belief in "something" for the most skeptical person.   

But as for your results, you could try calling on a God to help you.  I don't really shuffle my tarot deck and then draw random sticks.  I do my divinations as a devotional activity to a God from another pantheon and I ask Him to help me select the "correct" sticks for each person I do a reading for.  He helps tremendously with that.  So maybe try that and see if it works out for you.

Senebty

Title: Re: Does anyone use tarot cards?
Post by: Ushedimuti on March 08, 2016, 10:02:37 am
I use Tarot, and have for years, but because it's been on-off I consider myself a beginner. Or intermediate, depending on my confidence.

As others have pointed out, Tarot is just one system of divination; there are so many others! Even just a pack of playing cards, assigned meanings by you, can be used. Or dice, like your original post said. I was considering trying a set of DnD dice myself, I thought that would be interesting. I also use a pendulum, although I'm still learning that, and that can be homemade. And I love praisingnetjer's Tarot stick idea, it's pretty brilliant.

Youtube is a great resource; I can dig up some links of a few videos I liked. I also use the Tumblr and Reddit communities, though you must be careful with that simply because its unfiltered at times. And there are a few websites, like Biddy Tarot, I use heavily myself, and Aeclectic Tarot is hugely popular as well. And check out a library for some Tarot titles too, can't forget that.

You can use online Tarot decks to study them; whether these digital decks work is really up to the user. Some people swear by them, others completely disregard them. They would be useful for studying the cards, however. The decks I work with are Rider-Waite or Rider-Waite based, one of the most popular types, and heavy on symbolism and metaphor, especially Christian-based. But there are many, many decks out there, and choosing one that feels right to you is the best. Aeclectic Tarot is also good for that, it has examples and reviews of hundreds of decks.

Now, as for obtaining decks. Despite the myth, you can and should buy your own deck. And it is perfectly okay to buy used decks as well! It doesn't need to be a forty dollar brand-new deck (unless you really want it to be, I guess). Digging around can yield occult-exchanges, so if you have anything else lying around, like books, that you don't use, you can try and exchange for a used or sometimes never used deck. Or just saving up to outright buy a used one after a few months, and practicing until then.

Lastly, either before you buy or after, I highly recommend a Tarot journal. Jot down meanings the cards have to you, even combinations of cards have together. Check out spreads you would like to do, or questions you want to try. Learn how to ask divination questions, and what questions are easier or harder to ask. Yes or no questions can be done, but not everyone likes to do them or feel comfortable with them. Discuss the ethics of divination with yourself, too. What kinds of questions are appropriate to answer? And of course, when you start doing divination, write down your spreads and what you interpret their meanings to be. I have spreads I did years ago that felt unclear to me at the time but I looked back and saw how accurate it became. It's good lessons to teach oneself.

I'm sorry if this was a bit incoherent, I just woke up -- no coffee yet!
Title: Re: Does anyone use tarot cards?
Post by: Rev. Shezatwepwawet on March 08, 2016, 10:22:47 am
I do some Tarot readings but not too skilled. I was hoping to do some self study this year but so far I have not been able to pull myself together enough to start.
For other systems, you can make runes out of small flat objects (wood discs, sea glass, etc.) or even write them on card stock and shuffle. If you can get a hold of it, Diana Paxson's Taking Up the Runes is probably the most comprehensive book on the runes, and also gives a lot of insight into Norse/Germanic cultures before conversion. I read runes and while I don't think you have to follow the Gods of the area to use them, you do need an understanding of the culture to get a fuller understanding.

For other systems, like dice, they have been used for divination in the past, as have regular playing cards. You can find instructions online for all those systems. You can also creative your own collection of items to use for divination and there is a good set of instructions on doing so here[/ur]. (http://walkingthehedge.net/hedge/introduction-to-collection-divination/)
Title: Does anyone use tarot cards?
Post by: AnomanderRake on March 08, 2016, 11:49:30 am
Thanks guys! You're all awesome. I've considered creating a deck of dragons (basically tarot cards from fantasy books) but figured it was too much work when I didn't even know if it'd work, though I never thought of Popsicle sticks before. Great suggestion. :D

So when you use whatever method you use what do you do before hand, if anything? I saw mention of blessing and consecrating, how do you do that and is it essential?

Is there anything special you guys do to make it functional as opposed to, for example, an ordinary set of dice or cards.

Thanks

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Title: Re: Does anyone use tarot cards?
Post by: Rev. Sema'a on March 08, 2016, 12:11:04 pm
Em hotep, AnomanderRake!

I actually created a system of divination using four 6-sided dice based on the Kemetic words for each number and puns, as well as some scrying. It was exhausting to use but I'm told it was accurate. When I was working on it, the first thing I did was to try and divine the past. I would ask people to ask me questions about something that happened in their past, and then I would interpret the reading to them and ask them how accurately the divination matched their situation. When the majority of people felt it was highly accurate, I started taking questions about the present and future. I think that would work for learning Tarot as well.

As for consecrating items - censing the object with incense and sprinkling with natron water or salt water is pretty common. I usually also offer a prayer to my Parents to bless the object in its intended purpose, if it's a divinatory tool or other object (if it's just an offering bowl, I don't see the need).

Senebty,
Sobeq
Title: Re: Does anyone use tarot cards?
Post by: Sekhepenaset on March 08, 2016, 12:21:43 pm

So when you use whatever method you use what do you do before hand, if anything? I saw mention of blessing and consecrating, how do you do that and is it essential?


If you use my popsicle method, I prefer using a sharpie because a pen, in my experience, doesn't stain the wood until you've essentially scratched it in.  But be careful because sharpie ink runs across the wood like no tomorrow. 

Like Sobeq suggested, consecration can include sprinkling natron or natron water over them or censing them with incense. 

In my personal practice, I utilize heka, alongside more solid magical practices, to empower and consecrate them.  I also have a special sort of water I collected that has unique properties which I sprinkle over them.

Hope this helps. 
Senebty
Title: Re: Does anyone use tarot cards?
Post by: AnomanderRake on March 08, 2016, 12:24:14 pm
What if I don't have access to incense or natron? Then what?


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Title: Re: Does anyone use tarot cards?
Post by: Sekhepenaset on March 08, 2016, 12:30:29 pm
What if I don't have access to incense or natron? Then what?


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Use heka and/or do what Sobeq suggested and call upon one of the Names to empower and bless the object for you. 

Title: Re: Does anyone use tarot cards?
Post by: Rev. Sema'a on March 08, 2016, 12:39:31 pm
Salt water can also stand in for natron too, if you're in a real bind. :)
Title: Does anyone use tarot cards?
Post by: AnomanderRake on March 08, 2016, 01:01:28 pm
How do I use heka? (I'm a total noob)
I'll have to try salt water then :D thanks

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Title: Re: Does anyone use tarot cards?
Post by: Sekhepenaset on March 08, 2016, 01:13:40 pm
How do I use heka? (I'm a total noob)
I'll have to try salt water then :D thanks

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Sorry, forgot you're not a Remetj yet!

You can employ heka very simply without getting so complex.  Just speak clearly and loudly, like you're forcing the effect to come about, and "command" certain things to come about.  Command that your readings be accurate, that you connect with the mind of God and be able to divine the right sticks/cards to choose.  A command is the ultimate force of will and in some magical schools of thought, your will is the most important aspect of making magical work come about. 

But....heka isn't quite "magic".  You'll get more into it as you progress through the Beginner's class.  Tehuti might be an appropriate deity to call upon if you were to call on a God.  It is thought His books were the basis for the Tarot cards as a form of divination ( if I'm not mistaken).  He knows secret things and is very knowledgeable by nature but any deity you like would work. 

Hope this helps   

Title: Re: Does anyone use tarot cards?
Post by: AnomanderRake on March 08, 2016, 01:23:44 pm

How do I use heka? (I'm a total noob)
I'll have to try salt water then :D thanks

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Sorry, forgot you're not a Remetj yet!

You can employ heka very simply without getting so complex.  Just speak clearly and loudly, like you're forcing the effect to come about, and "command" certain things to come about.  Command that your readings be accurate, that you connect with the mind of God and be able to divine the right sticks/cards to choose.  A command is the ultimate force of will and in some magical schools of thought, your will is the most important aspect of making magical work come about. 

But....heka isn't quite "magic".  You'll get more into it as you progress through the Beginner's class.  Tehuti might be an appropriate deity to call upon if you were to call on a God.  It is thought His books were the basis for the Tarot cards as a form of divination ( if I'm not mistaken).  He knows secret things and is very knowledgeable by nature but any deity you like would work. 

Hope this helps

Awesome, thanks so much!
Thanks for all the help guys, i really appreciate it :D


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Title: Re: Does anyone use tarot cards?
Post by: Sekhepenaset on March 08, 2016, 02:23:55 pm

How do I use heka? (I'm a total noob)
I'll have to try salt water then :D thanks

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Sorry, forgot you're not a Remetj yet!

You can employ heka very simply without getting so complex.  Just speak clearly and loudly, like you're forcing the effect to come about, and "command" certain things to come about.  Command that your readings be accurate, that you connect with the mind of God and be able to divine the right sticks/cards to choose.  A command is the ultimate force of will and in some magical schools of thought, your will is the most important aspect of making magical work come about. 

But....heka isn't quite "magic".  You'll get more into it as you progress through the Beginner's class.  Tehuti might be an appropriate deity to call upon if you were to call on a God.  It is thought His books were the basis for the Tarot cards as a form of divination ( if I'm not mistaken).  He knows secret things and is very knowledgeable by nature but any deity you like would work. 

Hope this helps

Awesome, thanks so much!
Thanks for all the help guys, i really appreciate it :D


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tell us how it goes!
Title: Re: Does anyone use tarot cards?
Post by: Rev. Shezatwepwawet on March 08, 2016, 05:18:06 pm
How do I use heka? (I'm a total noob)
I'll have to try salt water then :D thanks

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Also, since this can never be shared enough in my opinion, avail yourself of a free and legal copy of the definitive work on heka. (http://oi.uchicago.edu/research/publications/saoc/saoc-54-mechanics-ancient-egyptian-magical-practice-fourth-printing-2008) It's deep reading, yes, and a resource you'll be glad to have.
Title: Re: Does anyone use tarot cards?
Post by: Tatjasobekra on March 08, 2016, 11:07:57 pm
I use Tarot off and on and have been for 16ish years. I prefer oracle methods though - oracle cards (I have the Golden Moth Illumination Deck coming in next week, very excited for those), dice (I use dice for I Ching readings), etc.
Title: Re: Does anyone use tarot cards?
Post by: AnomanderRake on March 09, 2016, 12:21:08 am


tell us how it goes!

Uh, it's not really working :D
For the purposes of practise what kind of things would you guys suggest trying to divine for or ask? Something external or internal? Relating to you or someone else? Past present or future? What's the easiest? :P

Do divinations you already know the answer to work? Like yes/no is the cover of this book blue?

I haven't tried Heka yet because I think it'd be really awkward with my mum hearing. I'd be self conscious and she wouldn't approve :P I will try it at some point soon, hopefully.

Thanks so much


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Title: Re: Does anyone use tarot cards?
Post by: Subani on March 09, 2016, 09:09:24 am
I personally have found that the online tarot cards are just as accurate as the ones I held in my hands. That being said, I am fairly comfortable with digital magic, and have been working with sacred technology for almost 15 years now (goodness, I am getting old).
Title: Re: Does anyone use tarot cards?
Post by: Rev. Sema'a on March 09, 2016, 09:25:47 am
Em hotep!

What about it isn't working?

Remember that, like all things worth doing, Tarot takes practice to build skill. Very few people have an instant, intuitive grasp of reading cards. Keep your guidebook close by while you're reading and see what they say. Start by doing a daily draw, perhaps -- pull a card or two to forecast what your day will be like. Ask your friends and family if they will ask you questions to help you practice. Over time, you'll become familiar with the meanings of the cards and won't need the guidebook as often. :)

Senebty,
Sobeq
Title: Re: Does anyone use tarot cards?
Post by: Sekhepenaset on March 09, 2016, 11:45:01 am

Uh, it's not really working :D
For the purposes of practise what kind of things would you guys suggest trying to divine for or ask? Something external or internal? Relating to you or someone else? Past present or future? What's the easiest? :P

Do divinations you already know the answer to work? Like yes/no is the cover of this book blue?

I haven't tried Heka yet because I think it'd be really awkward with my mum hearing. I'd be self conscious and she wouldn't approve :P I will try it at some point soon, hopefully.

Thanks so much


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Em hotep,

Personally, and this seems to be common amongst Tarot readers I've talked with, we have a REAL problem trying to do divinations for ourselves.  It's easier for us to do divinations for other people. 

And I've noticed a lot of people who use Tarot will not use it for "yes" or "no" questions.  But...past, present, and future are pretty open game.  Maybe future is harder for beginners? 

Others see Tarot and Oracle cards as a way to examine your inner thoughts and emotions and not as a "solid" (?) form of divination.  But with divination, be open.  If you ask a question, be open to hearing the Truth even if it isn't what you want to hear.

Everyone's made good suggestions.  Try your hardest with Tarot and take it slow.  If it doesn't work out, try Oracle cards.  If that doesn't work, try pendulum divination.  I personally use a necklace I have for pendulum divination and I've found it reliable. 

The resource one of the above Shemsu made on heka is *the* source to read for good heka. 

Hope this helps you.
Senebty.
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