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Title: Set and anger
Post by: kathleen on February 23, 2017, 11:30:18 pm
I've long felt that Set has been around me or been part of my life, maybe in my lineup if I were to ever have the RPD done, but I've never felt that I know or understand Him very well.  In a general way, perhaps, and I can see certain aspects of my life and certain events that He has probably influenced, but I can't sense His presence in a direct way (as if He were in the room with me) as I can with Bast and Sekhmet.  For the Set kids, what has been your experience of Him in particular as it relates to anger?  How does He react or respond when *you* are angry?  Have you ever been angry *at* Him, and if so, did you tell Him?  Does He get angry at *you*, and if so, how do you know when He is?  Perhaps most importantly, do you think He ever influences anything to deliberately *make* you angry in order to get you to act on something? 
Title: Re: Set and anger
Post by: elendarsilvermoon on February 24, 2017, 01:28:48 am
I've found that his reaction when I'm angry is to throw a proverbial wrench in the gears temporarily to make me realize how ridiculous my previous anger was, or to realize that I already had it handled to begin with and was creating an issue where there wasn't one in the first place. While Bast was my initial guiding influence, I find that Set doesn't sugarcoat things to make them easier to handle. He's not always the most gentle with me, but fluffy nudging doesn't typically work for me. It's frustrating at times and I have quite a few "Set, dude, what the heck?" moments, but I realize he's just lighting a fire under me to get me to stop mucking around, or to push me through days when my mental illness is kicked in full force.

He may seem chaotic, but once you see the full picture of what he's trying to convey, it makes sense.
Title: Re: Set and anger
Post by: Tjemsy on February 24, 2017, 10:32:52 am
So like, I'm super enthusiastic about how awesome Set is, because I think I just get him super much. As such, I've never been angry at him, and I don't think he's ever been angry with me.

Even though he's basically destroyed my life for the last few years, and I had a complete and total breakdown as a result. I was upset with the situation, but not with him; he's always been like the eye of the storm for me. Everything around him is chaos, but I can see him clearly. I know that destroying things For the Good is his thing, so I just assume that I'm going to come out of this all okay, or ultimately "better." Eventually. I've never got the sense that he enjoys destroying my life, which is, I think, why I've been able to Faith my way through so much.

He's very hands-off with me. I know he's working on Something, and I'm intuitive enough to be able to direct myself most of the time, and keep marching in roughly the correct direction. I've been a little disappointed when I hear about Set comforting his other devotees (I am a cuddle fiend, you see), but again, he's the eye of the storm. For whatever reason, he is not able to comfort me like that. Maybe I need to feel a sense of aloneness to respond to what's happening to me. If I should ever genuinely need comforting, and require some sort of divine intervention, I think he would send someone else to comfort me. Right now, he's got to keep on stormin'.

I do think he creates situations that force you to act, but he's not deliberately tried to piss me off, or get me angry with him personally. I think that when he's destroying stuff, he's very aware of the damage he's causing. I think that in my case, the storm has caused enough damage, and telling me to Deal With It will not help me, though it might help others. I remember, once upon a time when I was Getting Sad about everything still sucking, as I occasionally do, thinking something along the lines of "What am I supposed to do?!" And he said, "Survive."

In a way, I get the warm fuzzies from his hands-off-ness, despite that I am a cuddle bug and would like some fluff. It means, I think, that Set has faith that I can withstand his storm. That's quite lovely, in an unexpected sort of way.
Title: Re: Set and anger
Post by: Sekhepenaset on February 24, 2017, 01:47:35 pm
I'm not a Set kid but I do have an interesting relationship with Him.

At first, Set was a God that I could not stand.  The very idea of Him was upsetting to me.  I didn't venerate or worship Him for the longest time because I thought He was on-par with the Christian devil....yeah, that bad.  So bad that I put Him down on my RPD questionnaire as a God Who frightened me. 

It wasn't until Wep Ronpet last year that I had a formal interaction with Him.  Some of my ideas of Him had changed by then, but still, limiting interaction with Him was best in my mind.  When I approached Him on His birthday, He was very pensive, quiet, and expansive with me.  Very Nut-like, actually.  Over time, I've gotten Him as being very teary and sad.  Never angry, only sad (for me).  I asked Him why He seemed so sad and He said it was because I didn't like Him.  He was hurt because I was someone He knew well.  Chaos and disorder has defined a lot of my life and it's shaped my personality and my experience of this world.  My experience of His domain had actually made me who I was.  As He said, "I was the One Who broke you". 

And to be honest, I'm still not totally on-board with Him.  But, He's still a God.  I do revere Him at necessary times and acknowledge the change He brings is needed and meaningful.  Hemet (AUS!) told me at my RPD that He's not evil.  If He was evil, He could not be a God.  He brings change into your life and despite other aspects of His nature, He is the One Who helps you get through it. 

But, I already focus on Aset as a Goddess of Survival.  That's my Aset.  Her means of survival and His are different.  I don't understand or relate to Set's because I only know Aset's.  But if you follow the myths, They really aren't that different in terms of Their circumstances.  Set had to kill His Brother because He was the only One strong enough to do it.  While it was for a good reason, He didn't want to and He didn't want to change or experience that.  But neither did Aset.  Both of Them have had very....unfair, lots in life.  I remember once Hemet commenting that They're so alike in some ways that They repel each other. 

But that's what I think. 
Title: Re: Set and anger
Post by: kathleen on February 25, 2017, 01:07:23 am
While Bast was my initial guiding influence, I find that Set doesn't sugarcoat things to make them easier to handle. He's not always the most gentle with me, but fluffy nudging doesn't typically work for me.

That He doesn't sugarcoat things and isn't gentle is perhaps the one thing I feel I *do* understand clearly about Set.  And I'm like you- Bast was the first Name I knew and She has always been the opposite way with me- above all, I've always felt Bast wants me to be *happy* and comforted and to be able to see the good things in life-something I can't always do on my own.  It's easy to get very spoiled by that!  Sekhmet and Set both have a reputation for "tough love", but while I've felt that Sekhmet has been at the center of some things that have been extremely *painful* for me, it's been because there was no way for Her to make it otherwise for me.  I sense that the same kinds of things about the world that are painful for me *also* sadden Her.  I've felt that She has shared Her strength with me to help me through my most painful times and keep me focused on my goals and purposes.

But with Set, everything just feels different.  He seems to keep Himself distant from me, and maybe it's partially because of that, but I don't see Him as being prone to sadness or to much sympathy, and certainly not to softening the blow of anything.   I tend not to like that, and I get the feeling that He couldn't care less what I like or don't like.  I feel more "on my own" with regard to Set- like He isn't going to share His strength with me; He's just going to keep giving me things to deal with until I learn to find more strength within myself.  And he doesn't concern himself at all with how it makes me feel, and He's not going to discuss it with me. 

I did go back and read some old threads about Set after I posted, and saw some people talking about Set being amused by their anger.  I think I can see that completely.  That feels kind of right to me.  I can be angry all I want, but it won't change what's necessary. 
Title: Re: Set and anger
Post by: Gezausenu on February 25, 2017, 05:49:15 pm
Like Tjemsy, I love my Papa, so I'm tempted to gush incoherently about Him, but.

Papa Set, for me, is a teacher. He's there to teach me when anger is needed, and what kind of anger: there's the blind rage that leaves you hurling something breakable at the wall, okay, but that doesn't really *do* much, doesn't fix a situation, just leaves you with lots of nasty shards to clean up. He's the one to teach me when to use my anger in a constructive way, rather than destructive (but that might be because I tend to turn my anger into self-destruction by default rather than finding ways to use it purposefully in the world, to repurpose that anger into something else). I tend to go through cycles where I destroy all my artwork (hence not having a portfolio, alas)--and He's in that anger as well.

And He's the one to teach me that, however painfully, sometimes things need to be broken, in order to be refashioned anew. Sometimes *we* need to be broken. In fact, that's one of the clearest things He's said to me, when He first approached me by Name and recognizable form, pre-RPD: "If you're afraid of the you that you'll become, let Me remake you."

Papa Set, for me, *is* anger, but that's just one facet to Him. He's in our own anger, and our pain; He hurts when we hurt, and shows us all the sides of rage that can lead to creation and destruction both. I've heard other people say that Set loves us the most deeply of the Names, and I know it's all subjective but I think there's something to be said for that.

As for your other questions--have I ever been mad at Him? No. Much like Tjemsy said, Papa Set's my rock. And my comfort (yeahhh, I'm one of those strange ones who gets the cuddles, for whatever reason He might have). I know that no matter how messed up or chaotic or plain hard things get, however much I feel like giving up, or taking the pain and anger out on myself, He's there--He's that barrier between myself and total self-destruction. Of course, I've said to Him, in various ways, and . . . colorfully . . . "What *are* you doing?!" . . . but I can't think of a time I've ever actually been angry at Him.

And has He ever been mad at me? Disappointed, yes, but again in a very "I"m trying to teach you a lesson, why aren't you learning it, child?!" sort of way. Usually this is when I don't listen to Him, if He's sending very clear messages that I need to Stop and Reconsider, Turn Around, etc. etc., but that's never been outright anger. I've felt Him angry before, but not at me. It's also a twofold thing: obviously, He appreciates that we're willing to push boundaries, even with Him, to question, to object, to use that good ol' thing called Free Will to our advantage. But sometimes, even He'll give me this look--"Why the hell would you do that, kiddo?"

. . . but no, He's never been angry. I'm sure someday He will be, honestly, because it's naive to expect that that won't ever happen. Maybe part of why He takes the approach He does with me--that of a teacher, with a snarky, raunchy attitude and a helluva lot of love--is because sharp emotions like anger and rage trigger my PTSD . . . Which is all to say, I guess, that even though mythologically Papa Set gets a lot of kudos for being, well, angry, He's also very wise in how He shows that anger to us.

At least in my experience, of course. UPG, Your Mileage May Vary, etc. <3

Anyway. I don't know if any of this is useful. Thank you for asking this, Kathleen. Truthfully, life and stress have kind of put a damper on my worship and my experience of the Gods . . . I think I needed this, to restate some of the wonderful things Papa Set's done for me. <3 Thank you!

Senebty!
Gezausenu.

PS: Papa Set's also been hanging around when I play video games. A lot. Like, all the time. And this isn't the same kind of anger by any stretch of the imagination, but oh boy is He there when I'm raging against some stupid-hard boss fight. ;)
Title: Re: Set and anger
Post by: Tasedjebbast on February 25, 2017, 07:13:55 pm
It's interesting reading these.  Set doesn't strike me as an angry God at all.  Nor has He had much to teach me about anger.  He teaches me about doing what is necessary no matter how hard it is.  And He is love.  So much love.

It is Sekhmet who has taught me the most about anger. 
Title: Re: Set and anger
Post by: Gezausenu on February 25, 2017, 07:29:39 pm
*nods to Taji* Ah! I should clarify too that it's rare I see Papa Set as an angry figure, honestly, except when He needs to be. I guess I was approaching this from the context of, "When anger's there, where's Set?"

Mostly, for me as well, He's this deep, intense, fierce-ferocious Love. <3
Title: Re: Set and anger
Post by: Senuwierneheh on February 26, 2017, 08:36:51 am
Em Hotep, Everyone!

My response may not be so eloquent, but I would also like to add that I've never seen this angry side of Set directed at me.  If anyone should aim to hurt me, he will be angry about that, but never angry at me.  I also never get the feeling he throws things in my life to test me or make me grow.

Those things that test me aren't of the Gods doing.  Mostly, they are the result of isfet, or illness, or any other natural thing.  The things that test me may not be of my doing, either.  Of course, bad choices don't help.  But even in the event of a bad choice, Set will just say, "Have you learned anything?  What can you do about it?"  Rather, Set is there to lend me strength so that I can overcome the trials.  When I make a little growth in the process, I feel his great pride in me, and feel encouraged to go on keeping on.

Dua Set for all the strength he's given me through out the years! (And it's been a lot.  <3 )

Senebty,
Neheh...
Title: Re: Set and anger
Post by: Sedjfaiemitui on February 26, 2017, 09:37:15 am
Em hotep nefer, Kathleen! :D

For the Set kids, what has been your experience of Him in particular as it relates to anger?

His "anger" that I have any knowledge of isn't anything like human emotion. Indeed, I wouldn't call it "anger." He possesses an aura of terror and Divine wrath. He exudes pure power and might. He is that "Smiting God" that goes down to the roiling sea threatening to overturn the world and the Divine Order (Yamm), and establishes His Supreme Authority over it by His storm-weapon and His terrible voice, as per Egyptian adaptations of the Levantine "Baal Cycle." He is like the tempest described in the Tempest Stele of Ahmose (c. 1530 BCE): blackening the sky, quenching every torch, and washing-away the works of men from the face of the Earth when the wishes of Amun-Re imy Waset of the "Living Heru" are not fulfilled to the detriment of ma'at.

Unlike human anger, Divine wrath relents when Order and "the plans of the Gods" are adhered to and complete themselves unhindered. Unlike people, [God] has a limitless capacity to forgive and to make-flourish even in the wake of extreme and deliberate disobedience on a large scale. As deeply unpleasant as it is for human beings to endure, Divine wrath isn't about wounded egos, spite, and revenge as it is with human anger. Rather, it is a tool of Order and instruction in Order.

That is the way it is with Set, in my understanding of Him.

How does He react or respond when *you* are angry?
 

Personally, I have no experience with that. [God] doesn't comment on my thoughts and emotions, because [God] doesn't live in my head, nor does He exist for me only.

That being said, if I were violent or angry in such a way and to such a disruptive degree that it displeased Him, made me unfit to be in His presence, and/or jeopardized the fate of my soul, I fully trust and expect He would find a way or several to let me know He was not happy with my actions. I trust and expect He'd demand that I reform myself "NOW" and not an instant later. But, I know when I have been / am being less-than-good and less-than-tactful, and it doesn't take [God] having to tell me so. That's what having a conscience, self-awareness, and a willingness to improve oneself are for. :P

Have you ever been angry *at* Him, and if so, did you tell Him?
 

No. It's not in me to be angry at [God], and I see no reason to be. I may sometimes confide in Set what I might be angry at and why, that I don't like being angry, and how having lingering anger or resentment ultimately makes me sad, but that anger or resentment has absolutely nothing to do with Set, or any other God. It has everything to do with human fallibility, human impulses, and human choices, and above all, my own human trouble making complete internal peace with the fact that it is impossible for a Cosmos to be comprised of only "good" notions and "good" phenomena.

Does He get angry at *you*, and if so, how do you know when He is?
 

Like any deity, Set can be displeased with even His most devout Shemsu(t). There's a vast, vast difference between being the subject of Divine wrath, and being the subject of a God's displeasure for, say, neglecting that God's rites for the better part of a month, or conducting oneself poorly in the world, or violating a cult-specific bwt of a God. Divine wrath, insofar as I currently understand it, is reserved for forces and beings intrinsically evil and/or that collectively and knowingly defy the Imperatives of the Gods in ways that critically jeopardize ma'at.

If I'm neglecting something -- for instance, if I'm not giving Him offerings as regularly as He would have me do -- He'll send a dream. There was a dream about a strand of black pearls and an animate icon of Him I had years ago to that effect. Or I'll get the impression that I'm not doing enough, will perform divination or have it performed for me, and get a better sense of what He wants out of me in particular.

I make a lot of art in my down-time, and much of that art is for Set. When I get flooded with (or am reminded of) ideas for new Set pieces, or get overwhelming inspiration for works-in-progress, I take that as His commanding me to perform for and adore Him. Neglecting to do that work as inspired and instructed is doubtless a source of minor displeasure for Him. But not anger. Not spite. Not anything without remedy or forgiveness.

Perhaps most importantly, do you think He ever influences anything to deliberately *make* you angry in order to get you to act on something?
 

I don't believe [God] goes out of [God]'s way to provoke anger. We may feel anger when subjected to big and unexpected changes in our lives, or when made aware of certain, hard truths about ourselves and the world around us courtesy of [God] or anything else, etc. But that's not [God] "making" us angry. That's us allowing ourselves to choose suboptimal responses to various problems, internal and external. That's us having knee-jerk reactions to circumstances difficult or unpleasant for us to face-up to. That's us going through a kind of grief-experience, and sometimes even a self-loathing experience. Grief and self-loathing born of anger (or anything else) aren't often motivators for anything good, in my experience -- people can fall into oubliettes of despair and self-pity, and wind up accomplishing absolutely nothing that way.

Hopefully that makes sense. :P

Senebty!
Sedjfai
Title: Re: Set and anger
Post by: kathleen on February 27, 2017, 12:56:15 am
We may feel anger when subjected to big and unexpected changes in our lives, or when made aware of certain, hard truths about ourselves and the world around us courtesy of [God] or anything else, etc. But that's not [God] "making" us angry. That's us allowing ourselves to choose suboptimal responses to various problems, internal and external. That's us having knee-jerk reactions to circumstances difficult or unpleasant for us to face-up to. That's us going through a kind of grief-experience, and sometimes even a self-loathing experience.

This in particular is giving me some food for thought, thank you.  And thank you to everyone else for your thoughtful responses. 
Title: Re: Set and anger
Post by: kathleen on February 27, 2017, 01:01:55 am
   Thank you for asking this, Kathleen. Truthfully, life and stress have kind of put a damper on my worship and my experience of the Gods . . . I think I needed this, to restate some of the wonderful things Papa Set's done for me. <3 Thank you! 

Thank you for sharing your thoughts, and yes, everything everyone has said has been useful.  I'm glad my question was helpful to you, too!  :)
Title: Re: Set and anger
Post by: elendarsilvermoon on February 27, 2017, 01:56:43 pm
I wouldn't even consider it anger in my circumstances. More an "I have a lesson for you in this and I am going to make this as blunt as possible."
Title: Re: Set and anger
Post by: kathleen on March 13, 2017, 02:22:26 am
Just wanted to add that I have been meditating on all of this and continuing to reach out to Set, and I feel that I have finally had something of a breakthrough- for the first time ever, I was finally able to "hear" Him briefly!  And He has cleared up a number of things for me.  I understand now that He isn't typically going to be as accessible to me as Bast and Sekhmet have always been, but when something is vitally important for me to learn or understand, He will be there, especially if I am not heeding Bast or Sekhmet as I should be.  I understand now that, in my relationship with Him, I am to *listen* far more than I speak, kind of a "you speak when you are spoken to" kind of situation.  A bit stern, perhaps, but I *had* expected Him to be angry or displeased with me, and now I understand that He is not, after all.  But He has been silent for a long time largely due to my confusion over my relationship with another Name (Djehuty) and my attempts to cultivate a stronger bond with Djehuty than I now believe is meant to be.  And I understand now that while no, He's not about *comforting* me (someone else here said that He'd be likely to send another Name to do that, and I agree), He is nevertheless a source of strength in that He will remind me of the strength I already have (but often like to tell myself that I don't). 

Just really kind of excited about this because it is the most meaningful and significant experience I have had to date with *any* name other than Bast and Sekhmet, and I had kind of reached the point of despairing that Set would ever talk to me at all. 
Title: Re: Set and anger
Post by: Padememheru on March 13, 2017, 11:30:26 am
Em Hotep Kathleen.  First, I'm glad you finally made a connection Set.  He is an awesome god, of course I'm a bit biased since He's in my lineup.  But nonetheless, He truly is an awesome god.  For me, I've never actually felt Him be angry at me, and I try not to be angry at him or anyone else in my lineup because I know they're just trying to teach me a lesson that I need to learn.  Also, Set is very much a chaotic good type of god.  "He believes in goodness and right but has little use for laws and regulations. He hates it when people try to intimidate others and tell them what to do. He follows his own moral compass, which, although good, may not always agree with that of society."

In my experience He's only ever been stern with me, never actually angry with me.  One time he sent a message that was quite stern "Magic is not something to be dicked around with."  But overall, Set has been the quiet type of god when dealing with me.  I know He's there, but He tries I think, not to be too chaotic in my case, and won't throw anything my way unless He truly believes I can handle it and survive/mature with the situation.  I get more of the bad boy type of Set, but with good intentions.  But when He needs to be, He is usually as elendarsilvermoon said, He will be blunt.  He hates sugarcoating.

But again, every person experiences Him and the others in different ways.  What I experience may be completely different from what you'll experience with Him.
Title: Re: Set and anger
Post by: kathleen on March 15, 2017, 12:37:23 am
Quote from: Padememheru link=topic=20782.msg293296#msg293296 date
Also, Set is very much a chaotic good type of god.  "He believes in goodness and right but has little use for laws and regulations. He hates it when people try to intimidate others and tell them what to do. He follows his own moral compass, which, although good, may not always agree with that of society."

I didn't always play D&D when I was younger, but when I did, my characters were chaotic good.  :)
Title: Re: Set and anger
Post by: Wepwyitui on March 15, 2017, 09:44:37 am
Well, I can agree with this:
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He follows his own moral compass, which, ...., may not always agree with that of society.
and don't want do maunder, but there's my opinion that even a human is more complicated than any AD&D, MBTI or any other classification. So could we say for sure, God is such and such? Why don't you think He could be chaotic neutral or even chaotic evil? What's so wrong with anger? I don't believe He tame it, I think He knows how to deal with it.
Title: Re: Set and anger
Post by: Asetemsatweret on March 16, 2017, 12:16:58 am
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Why don't you think He could be chaotic neutral or even chaotic evil? What's so wrong with anger? I don't believe He tame it, I think He knows how to deal with it.

Actually, via KO theology, the Netjeru are never evil or even neutral. They are each the individual manifestations of the divine power, Netjer, in accordance with Ma'at. We may not always perceive the full scope of or reasons behind the things they do, but they act in accordance with Ma'at and are thusly never evil. Even Set, as misunderstood as he might be sometimes , is good.  He still rides at the prow of the barque of millions of years ready to fend off and destroy Ap-p.

Senebty,
Emsa

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Title: Re: Set and anger
Post by: Wepwyitui on March 16, 2017, 12:23:29 am
Asetemsatweret, okay, I can agree with it, especially if we define Ma'at as "good".
The other thing, we can define it as "lawful"  :)
Title: Re: Set and anger
Post by: Asetemsatweret on March 16, 2017, 12:35:56 am
Asetemsatweret, okay, I can agree with it, especially if we define Ma'at as "good".
The other thing, we can define it as "lawful"  :)
I would agree with the definition of lawful so long as we recognize that the laws of Ma'at are not always the same as human laws or human social norms. In this way, I could perceive where someone might view Set, or any of the Netjeru for that matter, as chaotic. His/their actions will necessarily go beyond the scope of our understanding sometimes, even to the point of appearing chaotic. Now from my understanding, Set does have a particular knack for this, but I don't personally interact with Him enough to know first hand.

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Title: Re: Set and anger
Post by: Wepwyitui on March 16, 2017, 01:03:56 am
I like to think of it altogether as:
"Here are the rules. Then, there's Seth, as an exception. But alogether it's Ma'at and it works. Nice plan, right? Noone would say I haven't foreseen the exception"
Title: Re: Set and anger
Post by: Salqu on May 05, 2017, 10:06:21 am
It really depends a lot on the situation, I find he tends to get really angry when an injustice has been committed against those close to him, especially when it causes anger in those close to him, he tends to get angry a lot, however I have heard him called "he who controls his anger" I feel it could be positive for you to follow his example and channel it into something productive.
Title: Re: Set and anger
Post by: S'ashasenu on January 12, 2019, 06:44:14 pm
I have never associated Set and anger very closely at all.  For me, he has been stern, and blunt, and matter-of-fact, but I have never seen any anger in my dealings with him.  He expects me to be the best I can be in any given situation, and he doesn't like it when I try to cut corners (which I don't do very often!) but he is never angry.  He can be stern, but there is always an affection behind his eyes.  He teaches.  A LOT.  I've never been angry with him either.  Really, he is just amazing, and he keeps me accountable to myself, through constantly challenging whether I am doing and being, the best I can be. 
Title: Re: Set and anger
Post by: meskhenet on February 13, 2019, 10:58:34 am
Em hotep!

This is just a theory and I can't speak for you or how you feel, but something Sutekh has always made me feel was anger and frustration through trial and error. I've recently come out of extremely tough times and I feel like it was something that Sutekh had made me go through in order to build me up and to make me stronger. Of course, I still had troubles during that time, and I still suffered, but in the end, he still showed his support. With my relationship with him (which I see as paternal), he's only ever wanted to make me a stronger individual and more independent than I previously was. I feel like he forces you to become frustrated to come out better on the other side.

He's very strict and he's very overbearing when it comes to solving your problems on your own. He will often become aggressive in order to force you forward. He pushes you to be frustrated to urge you to move forward and past the hard times. And although this can be very frustrating (especially for a sensitive soul like myself), he does this all out of love.

I'm not sure if this is very helpful, but this is primarily what I feel throughout my time with him.
Title: Re: Set and anger
Post by: Ushedimuti on February 13, 2019, 01:51:37 pm
Em hotep,

It's interesting how everyone gets Set as angry or chaotic or hard and aggressive, as I do not get Him like that at all. (Note: I am not invalidating anyone's experiences, just remarking on how we can get different sides of the same god).

I get a very tender and gentle Set. He doesn't coddle me, mind you, but He is gentle. He is sad. He understands my pain and trauma. He will gently push me into what I need to do, but also be at my side all the way. He is so often with me at therapy, and I take inspiration on His will to survive.

Sure, sometimes He shows me His rowdy, playful, fun-loving side, and I have seen Him truly angry once (the anger wasn't at me, however), but for the most part, He is a great comfort to me. He's protective, but also uplifting. He teaches me to find my own strength though His incredibly powerful love. After I do a tough and upsetting thing, He is right there, comforting me. He will tell me things I need to hear, but never cruelly or harshly. He is blunt, but not brutal. He does not break down my life -- I am broken enough -- but teaches me how to overcome when my life does break down.

He has taught me so, so much about myself, and I don't know where I'd be without Him.

Senebty,
Ushedi
Title: Re: Set and anger
Post by: Tasedjebbast on February 13, 2019, 02:03:46 pm
I get the tender/gentle Set too.  The "lean on me when you can no longer stand" Set. 
Title: Re: Set and anger
Post by: Senuwierneheh on February 13, 2019, 04:13:59 pm
I don't get an angry Set, either!  I get the "I'm really proud of you, kid!" Set.  Maybe not soft spoken, but ALWAYS full of love.

Senebty,
Neheh...
Title: Re: Set and anger
Post by: Iwaat on February 13, 2019, 05:02:54 pm
I've never really experienced Set as angry before. Usually I get the loud joyful, laughing,playful Or protective Set.

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Title: Re: Set and anger
Post by: MeritAset on February 13, 2019, 08:32:58 pm
I get the Mr Stabby side (the old guard will remember that name 😁). But literally, He stabs me. Always in the left wrist. I’m not a fan I have to confess.
Title: Re: Set and anger
Post by: Tatuayinepu on February 14, 2019, 12:03:01 am
I get a quiet, dignified, strong and patient Set. He knows pain, heartache, and loneliness like few do. I sense that He is capable of big destruction, but will not do it without reason.
Title: Re: Set and anger
Post by: Ituiemhat on February 14, 2019, 09:02:07 am
Ah, my Father. Set is one that I associate with anger, but in the ways of healing. He knows the heart in ways that are so intricate and well-versed, and has been the forefront of my healing in the past year in many ways.
I used to be scared of Him, you know. He approached me as a brand new polythiest, when I didn't know who He was, and I was afraid. He respected that. And when I was ready, he led me in gently by the hands and into an embrace. He teaches me to deal with anger through action, though understanding why I feel the way that I do. Also to play "Devil's Advocate" when I'm getting consumed by my desire for justice so that I do not become truly blind to all sides of the situation.
Set is a powerful, necessary force. While he can "bring down the Tower" (if you're a fan of tarot symbology), He has also been (and continues to be) a kind, and great source of comfort for me when I have had so much pain, I wasn't sure what I would do. He is of great love and growth, and I wouldn't be who I am today without His guidance, I think... even if sometimes it's a bit unorthodox. ;)

As I think of with Him, "Go through things, grow through things," and "there can be no flowers without the rain."

<3
Title: Re: Set and anger
Post by: EclipseQueen on February 15, 2019, 03:42:13 pm
Set is, to me, a perfect reminder that it's okay to be upset at times. There's a reason why we have those emotions, after all. The reality is life isn't sunshine and rainbows all the time and we don't have to keep lying to ourselves that everything is "just fine" when it isn't. He's sure to let us know that we shouldn't act out of anger other take it out on anyone, including ourselves. Rather, He let's us know that we need to feel those emotions to understand them and let them go in a healthy manner.
Title: Re: Set and anger
Post by: Tatuayinepu on February 16, 2019, 02:28:22 am
Set, at least in my experience with Him, knows anger. He knows pain. He also knows how to gut it out when they come, to persist, no matter what. He has shown me that anger and its strength are formidable weapons, but has allowed me to see the sweet spot between anger and serenity; where discipline and focus are in control. Perfectly.
Title: Re: Set and anger
Post by: Sarytsenuwi on February 18, 2019, 06:31:38 am
I’ve taken much of this post from thoughts I developed throughout a recent conversation, but thought they might be worth sharing here.

So I think part of the reason I haven't replied to this thread for a bit  was that, for me, anger just isn't the right word for my personal understanding of His reactions.  As Tjemsy noted here back in 2017 – if Set is destroying things, it is for a purpose, and a positive (or at the very least necessary!) one at that. What he does may look like anger, but (forgive me for briefly putting my counselor hat on here) anger is generally a secondary emotion. We perceive someone's emotion as anger when they lash out, but that's not the root of it, right? They're more likely embarassed/ashamed, overwhelmed, grieving, frightened, etc. He's too purposeful, too deliberate and calculated, in my experience of Him, to rely on the secondary factor of anger.

Now granted, yes, historically, we can see how that association exists.

Sedjfai earlier gave an excellent explanation of Set’s “anger” as divine wrath, so I won’t repeat overmuch but add my agreement there. We also have all of the various depictions of him as Sutekh "the drunken one" or discussion of His being loud, His roaring, all things associated with a lack of control and potentially conceptualized as anger.

And yet, personally, I would argue that even this behavior is a necessary thing. He provides the required contrast so that we can better understand what control looks like, He is loud so that we can understand the power of quiet. I see all of it as very much His deliberate choice to be the opposite so that there is balance, whether it is opposition in behavioral traits that we can learn from, the opposition to a nephew who needed to be tested in proof He would be strong enough as King, or the opposition to a brother who had to die so that the dead would have a King, have protection and structure.

And in all of that – I personally believe He is nothing but in control of Himself. He is and does these difficult (sometimes awful!) things, we can't ignore that or claim otherwise, but what does it mean for such things to happen within Ma'at? For me, I think it's deliberate, and I think it's *part* of maintaining that sacred balance. There are always consequences, and He bears them, and thus we have stories of what happens when you are "too loud" or "too brash" or "too" [insert other anger-associated reaction here.]

To the other points raised with the original post: I've never been angry with Him, though I have given Him my anger, because He explicitly gave me leave to do so. He reminded me that He was strong enough to withstand it (of course He was, He’s a god, but I still needed to hear that permission!) and I was much better off for having had the outlet. But even this was not anger *at* Him, so much as releasing anger *to* Him, and healing in the wake of it.

I don't believe He's ever been angry with me, though there has been disappointment (usually when I'm beating myself up over something stupid for the umpteenth time or wallowing in self-doubt. He has no time for that, and I’ve been far better off for it!)

I do think He can be... I'm still struggling for the right word here. So, in my experience, injustice bothers Him deeply. He is the god of the outcast, the misunderstood, and so He will defend them. And He can direct a whole lot of intensity at those who would hurt those people who live outside of positions of power. But even then... it's not an out of control sort of anger. It's a purposeful, cold, "You will not touch them."

The closest I've ever felt Him come to "anger" was when I first met Him, and He learned of how my ex was treating me in various ways. But even in that situation? I don't believe that the anger was really His, so much as it was Him opening something in me to realize how hurt I was, so that I could finally leave. I think the anger was mine. I think He just helped me find it so that I could break *myself* out of an extremely toxic situation.

If we're operating from the idea that none of the gods want to hurt us, but that they love us, and want us to do well (even when growth is difficult or painful), I struggle to see them ever single-handedly *creating* anger within us that wouldn’t have otherwise existed. But pointing it out? Making us look at it more clearly, so that we can then get to that root issue, whether it's hurt, frustration, grief, etc.? Absolutely.

Honestly, I believe Set can be something of a divine scalpel in that regard. Getting right at the heart of the problem with surgical precision… but yeah, even the most precise surgery hurts, even the most careful surgery has some recovery time. And sometimes there are complications that arise from surgery, or other things that have to change drastically in our lives because of what we need to fully rest and heal. None of these lessons around discovering our own anger are easy, and they are most certainly not comfortable if you allow any god into your life and They start pointing out all the rough bits you've been avoiding for years. In my experience, Set’s an expert there, and this is all very much tied up in how I personally understand His epithet, “Master Physician of Upper Egypt.”

So yes. It can be really hard to suss out where anger’s coming from, right? And I suspect too, people’s relationships with a specific Name can be impacted by other people they meet who blame their anger (and the behavior resulting from it) on a specific god. I know from my own experience I’ve met several people over the years who act a certain, negative way, and then claim that a Name (often Set, sometimes other deities) made them do it.

So I’m throwing my thoughts out there for consideration, that again – maybe it’s not so much His anger, but the anger we are already experiencing, or the anger we will discover once we confront the injustices in our own lives, that He is helping us to work through and learn from. In tandem with that process, I like to think that He offers what we need most: a warm, solid, secure oasis within His arms, the fierce encouragement to stand on our own feet, or even the more strict, firm command of a general I’ve heard some describe when they speak of Him.

He’s a complex Name for sure, but who better to help us tackle one of our most complex feelings?
Title: Re: Set and anger
Post by: Yinepuemsaes on February 18, 2019, 02:04:28 pm
And in all of that – I personally believe He is nothing but in control of Himself.

Exactly. 

Here is my experience with something like that.  A little over two years ago, I was in a difficult, unfair situation, and I was unhappy and angry about it.  Very angry...like, burning with rage type angry.  But I remained calm, because I knew I was a better person than those who'd put me in that situation (and who I was forced to interact with), but I absolutely refused to sink to their level.  I think that's how I first attracted the attention of Set.  I got the distinct impression he was impressed, that a human could feel such raging emotion but didn't lose their temper, and instead channeled it into being the "better man", as it were.  I had an image in my mind that I associated with strength during that time that seemed to keep popping up, but I didn't think too much on it until last year, when I was reading these boards and I came to a discussion of Set.  That image popped into my head again, as if to formally introduce me to him, and I realized that I must have caught his attention before.
Title: Re: Set and anger
Post by: ASH on May 28, 2019, 01:00:49 pm
I'm sorry this is so late in comparison to the other posts.  I feel that Set is my father also.  I have never been angry with him.  I feel he is a 'hands off' teacher allowing, no expecting, me to find my way with minimal guidance.  If is he perceived as 'angry' that is not correct.  It is strength.  Strength is what He is.  If you have anger turn that 'energy' into productivity.  His anger is the storms of the desert which as you know actually brings benefit to the desert (think cycle of nature).  Strength is how He prevails and He expects us to find this in ourselves.  Through Him I have found strength to do what I need to do regardless of chronic, constant pain.  I thank Him for leading by example and showing me the way to channel strength and anger into positive, beneficial productivity.