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Title: Is Ra Anubis father?
Post by: Minpin on December 17, 2017, 01:17:19 pm
Hi guys. I've seen several Gods mentioned as Anubis parents, but the oldest mention of his father is Ra. Can I assume that this might be the most likely one to be true or what do you think?

Later as Osiris became popular it seems like they added him as his father because it was convenient.

Please correct me, I don't know much!
Title: Re: Is Ra Anubis father?
Post by: Padememheru on December 17, 2017, 04:47:21 pm
As I understand it from my research, it seems the most common genealogies were either that of Yinepu (Greek: Anubis) being the son of Set and His consort Nebt-het.  Or in some cases the son of Aset, though it seems general thought was that She had adopted Him rather than gave birth to Him.  I've never heard of Ra though being His father, at least to my knowledge.  Technically there is one genealogy where instead of Amun it is Ra that sired Geb and Nut which would therefore make Him Yinepu's great grandfather, not father.  Hopefully someone in the House that is more knowledgeable though can help with this.  As I'm basically an intermediate at best, amateur at worst when it comes to genealogies because there are so many.
Title: Re: Is Ra Anubis father?
Post by: Bezenwepwy on December 17, 2017, 06:35:12 pm
Em hotep,

Maybe this page on my website will help? Re is the earliest attested father, yes.

http://www.per-sabu.org/parentage-and-origins.html
Title: Re: Is Ra Anubis father?
Post by: Minpin on December 17, 2017, 06:44:30 pm
Em hotep,

Maybe this page on my website will help? Re is the earliest attested father, yes.

http://www.per-sabu.org/parentage-and-origins.html

I love your website. I saw it there, yes.

But what I'm wondering is can we make the guess that the earliest attested father would be the true "canon" one? Does this make sense to you?
Title: Re: Is Ra Anubis father?
Post by: Padememheru on December 17, 2017, 07:19:25 pm
Em hotep Bezenwepwy.  I looked at your site, and I found it very enlightening myself. :) I'd never heard of Hesat or Bast being one of Yinepu's parents.  Learn something new every day.  :)
Title: Re: Is Ra Anubis father?
Post by: Bezenwepwy on December 17, 2017, 07:26:28 pm
AE religion doesn’t really work that way. It all very much depends on context. What is ‘canon’ and concrete in one situation may not be in another.

That said, I personally do think of Re as his true(r) father, since such a large part of Anup’s place in the Osirian cycle is that of him fulfilling the role of son by dealing with the funerary arrangements (as per the section in my translation of the Grenier text that talks about how Anup came to be so firmly integrated into the Osirian mythology.)
Title: Re: Is Ra Anubis father?
Post by: Padememheru on December 17, 2017, 07:28:43 pm
I'd also completely forgotten the tale that describes Nebt-het disguising herself as Aset to conceive a child with Wesir.  But I understand that that is a later tale within Yinepu's story. 
Title: Re: Is Ra Anubis father?
Post by: Tarytenyinepu on December 26, 2017, 10:46:44 am
As with many things here in KO, we tend to use polyvalent logic when it comes to matters concerning the Gods; that is, all of the myths can all be true at the same time. This is much more reasonable when you consider that we don't take myths literally.

Personally, I've always considered Nebt-het his mother, Wesir his Father, and Set his indirect father (that is, the husband of His mother). Still, the impression my Father Yinepu has given me is "I'm so inconceivably ancient that it doesn't matter either way. What difference would it really make to you?" which just reminds me that parentage and heredity are honestly very human concepts to begin with.
Title: Re: Is Ra Anubis father?
Post by: Rev. Sema'a on December 26, 2017, 03:24:18 pm
I think that, as is often the case when trying to suss out the "truth" about a deity, the answer to "which one is His real father?" is "Yes."

I think that the relationships between the gods tell us more about the nature of each god than about the literal connection. Considering each deity attested as Yinepu's father tells us something different about His role and His function in the Unseen world. We each may find ourselves drawn to Yinepu in relationship to other gods uniquely -- for example, I find myself closer to Him as a child of Set and Nebthet than any other configuration, which perhaps speaks to the side of Yinepu that I am closest with. Seeing Yinepu as the son of Ra is perhaps indicative of the aspect of His that you connect best with.

Senebty,
Sobeq
Title: Re: Is Ra Anubis father?
Post by: Yinepuemsaes on January 04, 2018, 06:20:43 pm
As with many things here in KO, we tend to use polyvalent logic when it comes to matters concerning the Gods; that is, all of the myths can all be true at the same time. This is much more reasonable when you consider that we don't take myths literally.

Personally, I've always considered Nebt-het his mother, Wesir his Father, and Set his indirect father (that is, the husband of His mother). Still, the impression my Father Yinepu has given me is "I'm so inconceivably ancient that it doesn't matter either way. What difference would it really make to you?" which just reminds me that parentage and heredity are honestly very human concepts to begin with.

Exactly!  :)