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Title: Beloved Divinations
Post by: Gezausenu on May 16, 2018, 06:40:19 pm
Em hotep, friends!

I thought I'd post this on the public side, since people talk about "adding Beloveds" and I'm curious and maybe others are curious, too. ^_^

When one elects to undergo a Beloved divination, does one have to have an idea of Whom it might be, and does divination confirm that? Or could one simply approach Hemet (AUS) and say "I think I might be getting tapped on the shoulder but I'm not sure Who it is? Can we find out?"

Thanks for thoughts, as always. <3 I'm not thinking about this anytime soon--my Five are plenty, haha!--but it's something that I've never really heard much about, and consulting the Members' Handbook left me with the same questions. ^_^

Senebty,
Gezausenu.
Title: Re: Beloved Divinations
Post by: Tasedjebbast on May 16, 2018, 06:52:47 pm
You divine for a specific Name.  It may not show quite in the permutation you expect (I expected Aset-Hethert and got Aset-Serqet), but you have to have a Name in mind and a compelling reason for thinking They’re there.
Title: Re: Beloved Divinations
Post by: Gezausenu on May 16, 2018, 06:54:57 pm
Em hotep, Taji!

Thank you heaps for the clarification! ^_^ I appreciate it!

Senebty,
Gezausenu.
Title: Re: Beloved Divinations
Post by: Yinepuemsaes on May 16, 2018, 07:51:49 pm
I was curious about this too.  My original RPD was so long ago, and over the years I've wondered if I may have gained any more Beloveds.  I got a pretty strong 'ping' from Set just a few weeks ago, which really got me to wondering.
Title: Re: Beloved Divinations
Post by: Sedjfaiemitui on May 16, 2018, 10:33:08 pm
Em hotep nefer, Gezausenu! <3

Echoing what Taji already said, when you have a Beloved Divination scheduled, you are asking after a specific Netjer(et), and Hemet (AUS) discusses it with you prior to the divining.

I haven't ever asked to have more than one divined-for at once, but I am relatively certain that isn't the process. Insofar as I understand it, it operates on the basis of "one Beloved Divination per one additional Beloved."

My first (and I think likely not last) Beloved Divination was for Yinepu. I felt His presence fairly persistently, to the point where I felt it important to have a Beloved Divination performed to inquire after a possible connection. When the ritual was performed, He gave me the choice to accept the responsibility of having Him as a Beloved, to which I obviously said "Yes, please!" That isn't the case for all post-RPD Beloveds, though. Some don't give you a choice either way. ;)

Senebty!
Sedjfai
Title: Re: Beloved Divinations
Post by: Tjemsy on May 17, 2018, 06:19:05 am
Em hotep, twin! I'm on my phone, so my apologies if this gets all wonky.

For a beloved divination, you need to have pretty much one name. So, you could go in for Heru-wer and come out with Heru-sa, but you can't go in for "Heru???" If you need multiple divinations, you can do that, but you have to pay separate and such for each time, because they are all individually done.

There are a number of responses you can get from this. "You choose" seems to be the most common, and Nebthet did that for me. Some will say no, some will give a firm yes with no room for questioning. I went in for Nefertem and came out with Nefertem-Imhotep in sort of a "medium yes," I suppose? Not a "choice" but not especailly firm as much as matter-of-fact.

I knew I'd have 2 beloved divinations before I even had my RPD, and I have had exactly two. It's hard to imagine my lineup getting any busier, but who knows.
Title: Re: Beloved Divinations
Post by: Tasedjebbast on May 17, 2018, 07:11:48 am
I got two for one, actually.  But it was a special situation. I asked about Set, and got Him. But Heru-wer came too. They came as the Bawy, though not specifically listed that way, in the Bawy year and I wasn’t given a choice. I hadn’t asked about the Bawy or Heruwer at all.  He just inserted Himself into my Set divination.

Aset-Serqet did offer the choice.
Title: Re: Beloved Divinations
Post by: Gezausenu on May 17, 2018, 07:25:56 am
Em hotep, friends.

Thank you again for sharing your thoughts and experiences! :) It does indeed make sense that you'd have to have a Name in mind and probable cause, as it were, for thinking They're there.

Thank you for satisfying my idle curiosity! ^_^

Senebty,
Gezausenu.
Title: Re: Beloved Divinations
Post by: Subani on May 17, 2018, 08:54:52 am
I have been very seriously thinking about Nut myself. Though at first I thought She was possibly Hethert but now Im feeling pretty much exclusively Nut. Im just not sure I am ready for another divination.
Title: Re: Beloved Divinations
Post by: Tasedjebbast on May 17, 2018, 09:29:21 am
Honestly, and no offense to Her ....

But I really kinda wish I hadn’t asked about Aset.  Or that when She gave me the choice, that I’d said no.

I don’t want Her to go away now that She’s here, but it deserved far more thought than I gave it. 

Having a beloved is a responsibility. Having five is overwhelming.  Don’t undertake a divination unless you really feel you have to.  Curiosity isn’t good enough, IMO. You have to almost be in a place where you feel you can’t not do it. 

You don’t need a divination to validate your relationship with any Name.
Title: Re: Beloved Divinations
Post by: Tamiwi on May 17, 2018, 10:06:02 am
Em Hotep everyone,

It's very refreshing to see an honest conversation about beloved divination. I cannot express how greatly I agree with Taji in this thread, especially in regards to curiosity being not "good enough", and how we do not need a divination to validate our relationship with the Names. In this word of constant validation, I am seeing a removal in trusting in ourselves. We need people beyond our own inner voice to tell us we are okay, we need someone else to tell us that we are "allowed" to do certain things and, when we do, we need others to recognize it. This is not always necessary.

That is not to say I belittle other people's wish to undergo divination for additional beloveds, and I will make that very, very clear. This is a personal journey for all of us, and I am not the maker or shaper of that path. Only you are. For those that have additional beloveds, I rejoice with you as I have rejoiced with you when you obtained your original RPD. It is a step forward in contacting more of who you are and who the Names are helping you to be, and it is never, ever, a mistake to ask and explore your journey with meditation and consulting with your Ka, the Nisut, and the Names in your life. There was a reason the Nisut put this additional divination in place, and for that I will never discourage someone to pursue it if they have taken it under careful consideration towards the responsibility it entails. 

That being said, I personally feel as if I never had to undergo a divination for additional beloveds simply because I have not fully explored my relationship with my current beloveds. There have been times when other names have made themselves permanently known in my life, and I treat them with the same space and recognition I do my current beloveds. Yinepu is one of the foremost among them, as is Set. Due to my partner's RPD Set now has his own happy space, but I have no doubt that the both of them would present themselves within a divination for beloveds. That is enough for me to honor and speak with them whenever I need too.

Honor all the great many names, know the place they may have in your life at the given time, and know that to know One is to know them All.

Senebty
Tamiwi

Title: Re: Beloved Divinations
Post by: Ankhetbast on May 17, 2018, 12:51:05 pm
Em hotep!  *henu*

I have had two Beloveds divination over the years.  First was HetHert, who gave me the choice.  In retrospect, I was too hasty.  I still feel like my relationship with Her could use strengthening.  Then last year was HeruWer, who I did not rush into, but He said no.  He is still present in my life, as He has been for over 10 years.  He is on my senut shrine, and I adore Him.  It’s okay that he’s not a beloved, and perhaps one day I’ll figure out why he’s around.

Senebty,

Ankhetbast



sat Bast her Hekatawy-Alexandros, meryt Serqet-Aset, Yinepu-Wepwawet, her HetHert-Sekhmet.
Title: Re: Beloved Divinations
Post by: Gezausenu on May 17, 2018, 04:36:17 pm
Em hotep, friends!

I wanted to check in and clarify (because I'm not sure if some responses are directed towards me or just in a general way?) . . .

When I mentioned "my idle curiosity," I didn't realize (but I do now!) how this could have come across as incredibly flippant, a la undergoing the RPD out of mere curiosity. My curiosity was about the process as a whole, not for myself specifically. ^_^ And for that ambiguity, I am sorry.

Senebty,
Gezausenu.
Title: Re: Beloved Divinations
Post by: Tasedjebbast on May 17, 2018, 06:00:05 pm
Mine were directed generally in a “don’t do what I did” sort of way.
Title: Re: Beloved Divinations
Post by: Gezausenu on May 17, 2018, 06:42:18 pm
And I really, really appreciate your honesty, Taji--and everyone else's! I do think there's something . . . I don't know . . . maybe it's a "greater" responsibility when a God is giving you a choice to enter into a relationship like that, a relationship you'll never "lose" (such that we know right now). In our RPDs, it seems to me that the choice is more subtle: accepting or rejecting our whole lineups . . . which to me has a different flavor then a God giving you the chance to answer "Do you want Me to be with you?"

So for those of you who've shared about leaping into accepting new Beloveds, "for better or worse," . . . thank you for sharing, and I'm grateful for your honesty. <3 If anyone's genuinely curious about having a Beloved divination done, I hope that it gives them something good to mull over first. :)

Senebty,
Gezausenu.
Title: Re: Beloved Divinations
Post by: Tjesi on May 17, 2018, 09:58:59 pm
I have one parent and one beloved. In the last 2 years I’ve had experiences with a number more. Some of Whom I have informal places for.

Yet I have absolutely no intention at this time of ever asking for a divination.

First, because as Tamiwi said, I haven’t learned enough, or interacted enough, with the one I have.

Second, it doesn’t feel necessary to me? I feel like I have my hands full with what I have (how do you people with two parents handle it????). And, I think unless One came out and said “You!!!!” I just won’t feel a need to?

I did feel a bit envious in the early years that I had only one Parent and one Beloved when I read about RPDs where people had two Parents and a plethora of Beloveds, as if more meant They liked them better? But I’m no longer that person and feel special as I am.

Just my 2 cents.

Ibi


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Title: Re: Beloved Divinations
Post by: Khamheru on May 17, 2018, 10:19:29 pm
I have one parent and one beloved. In the last 2 years I’ve had experiences with a number more. Some of Whom I have informal places for.

Yet I have absolutely no intention at this time of ever asking for a divination.

First, because as Tamiwi said, I haven’t learned enough, or interacted enough, with the one I have.

Second, it doesn’t feel necessary to me? I feel like I have my hands full with what I have (how do you people with two parents handle it????). And, I think unless One came out and said “You!!!!” I just won’t feel a need to?

I did feel a bit envious in the early years that I had only one Parent and one Beloved when I read about RPDs where people had two Parents and a plethora of Beloveds, as if more meant They liked them better? But I’m no longer that person and feel special as I am.

Just my 2 cents.

Ibi


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Thank you Ibi for writing this. It helped me to be more grounded on my own path ^^
Title: Re: Beloved Divinations
Post by: Sedjfaiemitui on May 18, 2018, 09:37:53 am
Em hotep!  *henu*

I have had two Beloveds divination over the years.  First was HetHert, who gave me the choice.  In retrospect, I was too hasty.  I still feel like my relationship with Her could use strengthening.  Then last year was HeruWer, who I did not rush into, but He said no.  He is still present in my life, as He has been for over 10 years.  He is on my senut shrine, and I adore Him.  It’s okay that he’s not a beloved, and perhaps one day I’ll figure out why he’s around.

Senebty,

Ankhetbast



sat Bast her Hekatawy-Alexandros, meryt Serqet-Aset, Yinepu-Wepwawet, her HetHert-Sekhmet.

Em hotep nefer, Ankhetbast! :D

How Heru-Wer is with you is how I feel Sobek is with me. He's been "around" for many years, and He has icons in both my formal Senut shrine and in my informal shrine. A Beloved Divination asking after Him is a matter of "when" rather than "if" for me. I'd like to learn why He's a persistent presence, and even a "no" would give me a more complete idea than I have now. :P Whatever the nature of the worship-relationship, though, I'm not going to stop worshiping Sobek. He's given me a lot, and I've given Him a lot of devotion over the years -- so why ever stop that exchange? :)

I think that's the crux of it: the Beloved Divination isn't a validation, only a confirmation that "something is there" in a particular way. Beloved-status isn't the only way that "something is there" between a person and a particular Netjer(et). That said (speaking entirely generally, of course), I do sense it's a commonly-held belief that if a Beloved Divination renders a "no," then "nothing is there, period" -- which is distinctly untrue. :)

Senebty!
Sedjfai
Title: Re: Beloved Divinations
Post by: Tasedjebbast on May 18, 2018, 09:54:31 am
Sometimes I wonder about Names who give you the choice.  I wonder if it’s kinda “Sure, I like you alright, kid, and I don’t mind a spot in your shrine and offerings of stuff.” 

I think when a Name offers, taking some time to consider is appropriate. Relationship with Netjer is reciprocal.  And the beloved relationship, from what I understand, affects who we fundamentally are in ways other relationships with the divine do not. 

Sometimes there isn’t a choice.  I think Set/Heruwer was a confirmation  of a relationship that already existed and that had already in some way defined me.

Aset, who gave me the choice, not so much.

I love Aset.  But again, hasty thing.  Poorly thought out.  And now permanent.

Has anyone ever been offered the choice and said no?  In some ways, it’s so flattering to be offered that I think it would be hard to say no.
Title: Re: Beloved Divinations
Post by: Inqisenu on May 18, 2018, 12:18:32 pm
Em hotep, everyone! *henu*

It makes me curious too, on whether there is another form on divination that can be done to confirm a Name's presence that isn't a permanent responsibility. It's a silly comparison, but I absolutely love animals, and really really want to have a pet, but I cannot care for one at this time, give it the attention it needs, the food it deserves, or other unexpected needs it might have. So as much as I love animals, it comes with a great responsibility. I don't have the heart to take one in, if I cannot commit fully to make sure it's treated well and lives a happy life.

So added Beloveds for me is not just a new statue in shrine, or a passing interest, no matter how in love I am with the idea, and the excitement it presents at first.

I'm similar to Ibi, in the sense that even though I only have one Beloved, that is more than enough for me. I've had many Names come and go in my life, and I love every single One of Them. Allowing Netjer to stop by and spend time, and honouring Them during that time together lets me cherish those moments with Them as much as possible to avoid taking it for granted, and without the permanent responsibility that can feel like work that is involved (and avoid beating myself up if I can't upkeep those needs). So I am very happy with these "visits" only~ :)

That said, I still think the Beloved Divination is quite fascinating! And how people go about deciding to take it, if they already need to have a decent understanding of Who is present to begin with! I always wondered what effect it had on the person seeking it, whether it gave a new lens on how they see life like the other Beloveds in the RPD do? Or more like a new adopted family member living in your home?

Thanks for sharing everyone~ :D
Title: Re: Beloved Divinations
Post by: Ematsen on May 18, 2018, 01:59:20 pm
This thread has actually given me some interesting insight as to how I interact...or how I want to and should interact with my Beloveds. (I've been seeing a lot of things come up about Beloveds recently and I think They're tapping me on the shoulder about it, heh.)

I was divined at my RPD with my large and lovely family and I already have trouble keeping up with all of Them... I can't imagine being divined for any MORE at the moment!  ;D
Title: Re: Beloved Divinations
Post by: Djehutyendy on May 19, 2018, 09:20:37 am
Em hotep, Gezausenu and everyone!

Thank you for starting this thread, Gezausenu. It has been great to hear other people's stories and the resulting discussions have been interesting! We actually got talking about this on the Discord server yesterday and I mentioned my situation, which I will elaborate on here in case anyone might find it interesting or helpful.

I had a Beloved divination about 6-7 months after my RPD. While I was very pleased with my RPD results, I felt that there was something missing. For me, I tend to associate different aspects of my life with the Netjeru. At the time that this all took place, I was an undergraduate in college and was switching my major and trying to decide what career direction to pursue. Hethert was motivating me to pursue something I was passionate about. Djehuty was steering me in the direction of pursuing the sciences (which ended up being chemistry). But I also really wanted to have an environmental focus for my studies. This interest was more than idle curiosity. I felt deeply invested in learning about the Earth as well as protecting it, and so it was (and still is) a large part of my life that I felt I needed a Name of Netjer to walk with me through.

And so I had the divination and Geb gave me a choice. It makes sense that He gave me a choice, otherwise He would have just showed up in my original RPD a few months prior. Anyway, I said "yes" without hesitation because I needed Him and His guidance in my life. That was nearly 9 and a half years ago and my relationship has evolved quite a bit, but the fact that I need Geb hasn't changed. I also don't feel like the fact that I was given a choice changed the significance of my relationship with Him at all. Life is all about the choices we make, and the fact that I chose Geb to be a part of my life is really special.

Now I feel like the three Names in my line-up cover all aspects of my life, in one way or the other. I don't want to say "never," but I would be really surprised if I ever do a Beloved divination again. If I do decide to do it, however, I think it will be because there is a new part of my life that I am venturing on and I want/need the guidance of a particular Netjeru. But this is just my take on the whole thing. Everyone has different relationships with their Beloveds :)

Senebty,
Endy

Edited to add: I had a close relationship with Geb for a while prior to the divination (I cannot remember exactly how long, though). It wasn't just that I decided He would be good to have in my life
Title: Re: Beloved Divinations
Post by: Tjemsy on May 19, 2018, 10:10:25 am
I've mentioned this elsewhere, but I think of my beloveds like the Good Fairies from Sleeping Beauty. If Parents are Who you are, Beloveds are How. They each provide something that is a piece of Tjemsy; Bravery, Song (I'm putting this even though my voice is swiss cheese and I'm horribly out of key all the time, because "Joy" just felt yucky, even if That Too Probably I Guess), Insight, and Nurturing. I felt something was missing, too, shortly after my RPD. There was a big part of me that was just a sort of hole, and that was filled by Nebthet. I needed something -like- nurturing, but very much -not- associated with children, not a sort of "mothering." And I found it very strange that none of my Names seemed to represent the Akhu, which is a huge thing for me.

Almost immediately after the RPD I felt a female name that was "different." I wondered if it was another variant of Taweret for a while, but I got that very strong "not a mother, not a child thing." Didn't take me too long to ID her as Nebthet. She came after the RPD, because if she came during, I would not have understood, and it would really have hurt me rather than help me. Her word is Compassion. She is how I relate to other adults; I don't feel "mothering" with them, but I'm very much a person who wants to understand and support people. Taweret is how I relate to children, all love and fierce protection.

Nefertem I don't really understand, yet. I remembered that I guessed I'd have 2 beloved divinations, and was wondering if there was another hole somewhere that I was missing. Thought it was weird that children are such a huge thing for me, and I didn't have any sort of child god anywhere. And where was my creator deity? I was pretty sure I was supposed to have one of those. Then a lot of Nefertem stuff got dropped on me. He's not subtle. XD It took me a while to decide to have the divination, because it seemed like he was very obviously stating he's a Beloved, and I don't fully understand why. I didn't know what he brought to my life, or what his "gift" to me was. Finally, I decided that it was okay that I don't know. There's a lot I don't know about my gods. I'd learn.

Then I was worried he'd say no, after I'd pretty much totally decided he was coming onboard. XD

When he came as Nefertem-Imhotep, I had a 5-second "oh no what have I done" moment. I thought that having one of those complicated godforms was just...impossible for me. I'm not here as a scholar, I don't know about these things. The sixth second, I was back to "I'll learn." And likely I won't learn as a scholar, either. There's more than one way.

Now I'm here thinking about what his word is. I'm sure it will be very obvious sometime, but right now I am sort of ???. Innocence? Wonder? I do like wonder. Creation? -shrugs-
Title: Re: Beloved Divinations
Post by: Senui-Iry-I on May 20, 2018, 12:18:40 am
This is extremely interesting and I am enjoying reading everyone's responses!!

I'm coming up on the one year anniversary of my additional Beloved divination, it was done in July of last year.
After my RPD I did not feel like anything was missing. I was super happy about my lineup, very pleased with everyone. The only one it took me a while to know was Hethert, but I slowly bonded with her. Everything was going great with all of my lineup, I felt I had a great relationship with my Parents and I had a relationship with Set and Yinepu even before I knew what Kemetic Orthodoxy was.

But then one night I had a dream of a goddess cradling me in her arms, comforting me and soothing me into sleep. It felt so different than any dream I had ever had, so powerful. I kept having dreams of this goddess and had a few outside divinations done by friends to see what name came up. I thought it may have been Nit and that was the name that kept appearing. She would not let up, her presence became overwhelming almost. I knew she would become a permanent part of my life. I didn't know her very well, but with Sobek-Ra as my Father I already felt a connection to her.
When Hemet(AUS) did my divination she said that it was a definite yes and that I absolutely had no choice. I kind of figured that would be the case based on the interactions I had been having with her. I was happy with the outcome of the divination!

There are many gods who aren't in my lineup who I speak to and have relationships with that I know will be there probably for the rest of my life. I have a fondness and connection to those gods but I do not wish to have a Beloved divination for them because I know it is not necessary for our relationship to continue.
It was very different with Nit though. I knew I needed the divination, I felt it in my gut that it was what she and I both wanted. I didn't have to do it, but I wanted to as much as she wanted me to.

I am still working on getting to know her, but she is vast and I feel she will give me feelings of mystery my whole life (which I am fine with, I enjoy the feeling she gives me and I love exploring her aspects). I haven't felt that her presence has been extra work at all. I feel comfortable with all the gods in my lineup and I don't feel any strain with dividing my time between them or sharing time with all of them.
Not sure how to end this, but that's my story of my Beloved divination!
Title: Re: Beloved Divinations
Post by: Djedetmiwesir on May 21, 2018, 01:04:17 pm
Em hotep *henu*

I don't want to take this off topic, but I can not express the relief I am feeling, to hear others say that they felt they were too hasty, or would have made a different decision.  I adore Nut,  She was the reason I went for a Beloved divination years and years ago.  She gave me the choice. I am not so sure that I would have made the decision to go forward with it now, because I just crave the intimacy of my simple one Parent, one Beloved Shemsu divination. I even fear gaining new Beloveds a bit now. I have been carrying a bit of guilt for feeling less connected to Nut over the years, and never knowing how to approach her. I remain awe struck by Her of course, but I also uncovered something in an old journal not long ago, that might have explained the facination I had at the time I went for a Beloved Divination.

I'll keep her of course, but I do think if I had the option now, I would have chosen differently. Just for the sheer responsibility of it all. I really hope that doesn't sound horrible.

Senebty!
Djedet
Title: Re: Beloved Divinations
Post by: Tjesi on May 21, 2018, 01:31:11 pm
Sounds fine to me, Djedet. I’m very fond of my one Parent one Beloved state.

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Title: Re: Beloved Divinations
Post by: Shezatwepwawet on May 21, 2018, 01:52:59 pm
I was originally one Parent and one Beloved but Heru-wer was around me constantly and I did not know how to handle the pressure that caused for me. When I got the divination I was given a choice (apparently He always does, or at least did as of 2011) but I could not imagine saying no to Him. It's not the same kind of connection I have with Dad or Seshat/Nit, but it is indeed a strong connection and as the years go on I understand it more.
Title: Re: Beloved Divinations
Post by: Tasedjebbast on May 21, 2018, 01:59:15 pm
Agreed.  I was divined with one parent and two beloveds, which sounds positively blissful now.

With Aset... it also happened during a time in my life when things were in flux, when I felt insecure, and lonely.  I was grasping at cool things to feel better.  Trying to find and reclaim my own power. Aset is great with all of that.  She did help me and She’s been a more easy going beloved than Her reputation would suggest.  Perhaps in part because I’m mostly “headblind” and not super duper religious.  But I do sometimes feel a lot of guilt and worry that I’m not holding up my end of the bargain.  I don’t feel all that connected to Her right now.  Though to be honest, I don’t feel terribly connected to Sekhmet right now either and She’s one of the ones I came with.  Yinepu felt distant for years, too, though maybe less so now.


Zat, Heruwer didn’t give me a choice back whenever that was.  Bawy year. What year was that?  But I hadn’t asked to divine for Him, just Set.  I think it was an unusual situation.
Title: Re: Beloved Divinations
Post by: Shezatwepwawet on May 21, 2018, 07:08:49 pm
That was 2007-2008, and I was actually thinking about you and Bawy when I was typing that because of recalling you got a 2 for 1 deal. :)
Title: Re: Beloved Divinations
Post by: Tasedjebbast on May 21, 2018, 07:44:42 pm
Wow.  10 years already?  Holy expletive.  😊
Title: Re: Beloved Divinations
Post by: Gezausenu on May 22, 2018, 06:03:59 am
Em hotep, friends!

Thank you all for taking the discussion far past my questions! I'm finding this fascinating.

Djedet, don't feel guilty! <3 What you said doesn't sound horrible--it's honest. The choices we make when we're going through X or Y are going to be flavored by X or Y, and perhaps different from what we'd choose otherwise. But Nut loves you, and will always love you, and whatever relationship you have with Her won't change that. <3

Senebty,
Gezausenu
Title: Re: Beloved Divinations
Post by: Sedjfaiemitui on May 22, 2018, 10:14:30 pm
And so I had the divination and Geb gave me a choice. It makes sense that He gave me a choice, otherwise He would have just showed up in my original RPD a few months prior. Anyway, I said "yes" without hesitation because I needed Him and His guidance in my life. That was nearly 9 and a half years ago and my relationship has evolved quite a bit, but the fact that I need Geb hasn't changed. I also don't feel like the fact that I was given a choice changed the significance of my relationship with Him at all. Life is all about the choices we make, and the fact that I chose Geb to be a part of my life is really special.

[ . . . ]

Edited to add: I had a close relationship with Geb for a while prior to the divination (I cannot remember exactly how long, though). It wasn't just that I decided He would be good to have in my life

Em hotep nefer, Endy and all! :D

You make a very good series of points, Endy. :) That there is a choice provided in a lot of instances for BDs doesn't make the result any less significant.

Sobek has been a longstanding "question" for me, and I was surprised to find myself asking after Yinepu before asking after Sobek. I began a sort of lax worship-relationship with Yinepu a couple years after forming a worship-relationship with Sobek at Set's behest, give or take (I've been a devotee of Sobek for about six or seven years now, to give a frame of reference).

Like you, Endy, I didn't ask after Yinepu because I suddenly decided Yinepu would be a nice addition. :) He was a persistent presence over the years, after a fashion, and His presence was steadily strong for a few months before I submitted to have a BD performed for Him. Yinepu had become more and more of a guide and overseer in my creative processes, both artistic and ritual (naturally, being rather the Hery Seshta). This again brings me back to the whole "it's a confirmation, not a validation" thing. ;) The RPD wasn't the time; Yinepu made Himself more perceptible and more . . . "intense" for me at a specific time for a specific reason, and He gave me a specific choice. Even if I had said "no," that wouldn't be the end of my worship of Him, of my love and appreciation for Him. :) It was simply a matter of acknowledging and accepting a certain level of responsibility in moving forward with that worship, with that love and appreciation.

I find that being presented a choice with some BD results is much like making the choice to pursue Shemsuhood: you thoughtfully, willfully choose to accept a particular set of responsibilities with saying "yes" to becoming a Shemsu, along with a particular communal status. It's not something you have to say "yes" to in order for your RPD results to count, or for your other worship-relationships to count, or for your life and activity as a Kemetic in general to count. That you have a choice in the matter doesn't make it any less significant. :)

Senebty!
Sedjfai
Title: Re: Beloved Divinations
Post by: Ma'atnofret on May 23, 2018, 12:07:27 pm
Its been a couple years since my divinations but they remain very fond memories.
At the time of my RPD I has four in my Line-up. Sekhmet, Sobek-Ra, Yinepu, and Nebthet. After a time I began to feel and connect to Nefertem and at the same time someone who I thought was Tefnut. I took quite a few months to get to know these Names and grew very close to Nefertem in particular. So at the time of the beloved divinations it was no surprise that Nefertem gave me to choice to add him into my life, which I did. However Tefnut flatly said, 'no.' I came to think that the other Name I had connected to was a 'larger' or other aspect of Sekhemt, letting me learn something new about her.

A year or so later I began to research and connect with Wenut, the hare headed goddess. I honored her in my non-senut shrine to get to know her. After some time I got this nudging. It was a nudge to get another beloved divination for Wenut. I had thought about it at one point but didn't think too much to act on it. But the more time I spent in shrine the more I got nudged, by other Names. So I got the divination and was given the choice to add her. However it wasn't just Wenut, it is Bast-as-Wenut. Wenut is a regional form of Bast. I was told at the time of divination that she can be seen as both Bast and Wenut, very sweet considering I always loved and honored Bast. At this time I think i am the only Wenut beloved, mostly I think because everyone is very open and close to Bast and not as close to this regional lesser known aspect.
Title: Re: Beloved Divinations
Post by: Arienihethert on May 23, 2018, 04:35:56 pm
I have one parent and one beloved. In the last 2 years I’ve had experiences with a number more. Some of Whom I have informal places for.

Yet I have absolutely no intention at this time of ever asking for a divination.

First, because as Tamiwi said, I haven’t learned enough, or interacted enough, with the one I have.

Second, it doesn’t feel necessary to me? I feel like I have my hands full with what I have (how do you people with two parents handle it????). And, I think unless One came out and said “You!!!!” I just won’t feel a need to?

I did feel a bit envious in the early years that I had only one Parent and one Beloved when I read about RPDs where people had two Parents and a plethora of Beloveds, as if more meant They liked them better? But I’m no longer that person and feel special as I am.

Just my 2 cents.

Ibi
This is my exact feeling on the subject. I figure, if it's really important that I have anyone officially recognized as additional Beloveds, as in I don't have a choice, they'll find a way to say something in saq or some other really obvious manner. In the meantime, I'm more than happy with the relationships I have with the Netjeru I've come to know beyond my RPD. I don't need to get those validated through divination for them to be mutually satisfying. Which is not to say that I think Beloved divinations are in any way bad, I just find them unnecessary for me.

Thank you all for sharing your thoughts, experiences, and perspectives! This is good stuff here.

Senebty,
Arieni
Title: Re: Beloved Divinations
Post by: Ra'awyserqet on May 23, 2018, 10:06:15 pm
Em hotep siblings!

In my case, I started out with "my Three"; Serqet, Sekhmet-Mut, and Yinepu. This was almost five years ago and at the time and for a few years after, I was content with my Three. If anything, I was happy I only had three as I watched others be divined with six or seven in their RPD. Three is easy to handle, I said to myself, and I can talk to Anyone else as I please.

In the meantime, I had a Heru, who I now know to be my Heru-wer, tell me six months after my original RPD "Beloved" and proceed to help me with some things. Nehmet-Awai dodged around me for a few years before my additional Divination while I struggled to figure Her name out.

I wouldn't say I regret either of Them being here or even that I would have chosen differently - when I took the additional Divination I knew if I had a choice, I'd say yes. There's lots of reasons I said yes two Octobers ago, but I only feel more attached to Them. They came into my life as Beloveds at exactly the right time for me and They fit in with the other Two perfectly.

I also asked after Khonsu, to which He said "not right now". And I'm okay with that answer. My Five are really wonderful as They are. 😊

Senebty
Ra'awy
Title: Re: Beloved Divinations
Post by: Asetwedjbai on May 28, 2018, 03:37:08 pm
Hotep

I started out with 3 beloveds; Wesir, Hethert, and Yinepu. Later I had seperate divinations about Nebet-Het and Nut and They both gave me a choice. In retrospect I probably rushed into the divinations a little too hastily, but I believe that adding Nebet-Het and Nut was overall very positive and the right thing to do.

My two cents is to take a long time to think, pray, and talk to Netjer before jumping into it. I would bet that many of us who added beloveds had no idea how it would pan out over time.

senebty, Wedjbai