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Title: Favourite Incense for your Names?
Post by: Benerwy on March 10, 2021, 04:13:54 am
Em hotep!

I've been wondering if there is a particular incense that you've noticed your Names like, or dislike, or one you tend to associate with Them?

I've looked through the Offerings page on kemet.org, and there are lots of names that don't have a particular scent listed. I know that historically scents like frankincense, myrrh, kyphi, or lotus flowers were commonly offered (and so could be offered to all names?), and we as a community tend to stick to Japanese incense because it is made to similar purity requirements (ie, no animal waste products).

I'm still learning the ins and outs of what my Names like, but 'listening' to and learning about incense in general is an activity I devote to my Father, Nefertem. I associate Morning Star Lotus with him (as it was my first Japanese incense, which He requested), but also other florals like Cherry and Plum Blossom, Sandalwood (which I tend to think of as the 'bread and water' of incense), or Aloeswood (as a complex scent that requires your attention). I've also found an Indian-style incense brand which is very transparent in its ingredients, so I informally burn them for Him too.
I also hold Morning Star Sandalwood and Vanilla close to my heart - they were used for my RPD!

Senebty,
Benerwy
Title: Re: Favourite Incense for your Names?
Post by: Senneferet on March 10, 2021, 05:16:09 am
Sandalwood is currently my go to incense. One day I might start experimenting with different scents for different Netjer but, for now, sandalwood instantly puts me in a devotional headspace
Title: Re: Favourite Incense for your Names?
Post by: Lita45 on March 10, 2021, 06:36:21 am
For myself Sandlewood for Divine Dejehuty Lord of Hieroglyphs
Cranberry and Definitely Jasmine for Auset Divine Mother
Orange Divine Sekhmet Lady of Healing
Kush and Egyptian Musk is like a free for all...but with names like beloved
Title: Re: Favourite Incense for your Names?
Post by: Setjezusenu on March 10, 2021, 07:31:24 am
Right now I use orange blossom incense for Hethert, Cinnamon for Set, Rosemary for Heru-Wer, and Vanilla for Yinepu
Title: Re: Favourite Incense for your Names?
Post by: Zuzana 25 on March 10, 2021, 08:13:15 am
hello my netjer Amun likes smells star anise and cloves. over time, when there will be better finances, I will try other scents. So far, my netjer did not object, so he is probably satisfied.
Title: Re: Favourite Incense for your Names?
Post by: Zuzana 25 on March 10, 2021, 08:13:43 am
hello my netjer Amun likes smells star anise and cloves. over time, when there will be better finances, I will try other scents. So far, my netjer did not object, so he is probably satisfied.
Title: Re: Favourite Incense for your Names?
Post by: Zuzana 25 on March 10, 2021, 08:20:04 am
I'm sorry it was sent 2 times by mistake. I don't know how to delete the second post thank you
Title: Re: Favourite Incense for your Names?
Post by: Taji on March 10, 2021, 10:08:17 am
I’ve been all lavender all the time lately. But that’s mostly because I like it.
Title: Re: Favourite Incense for your Names?
Post by: Iau on March 10, 2021, 12:05:15 pm
I typically use (all Morning Star brand currently) Patchouli or Frankincense for Djehuty, Amber for Bes, and Jasmine for Hethert. I'm still experimenting with scents though and am looking into trying other scents for Them as well--specifically Yuzu for Hethert! Lavender Incense also tends to be my go-to for when I'm keeping things general.
Title: Re: Favourite Incense for your Names?
Post by: Sedjfaiemitui on March 10, 2021, 12:14:45 pm
Em hotep!

I've been wondering if there is a particular incense that you've noticed your Names like, or dislike, or one you tend to associate with Them?

I've looked through the Offerings page on kemet.org, and there are lots of names that don't have a particular scent listed. I know that historically scents like frankincense, myrrh, kyphi, or lotus flowers were commonly offered (and so could be offered to all names?), and we as a community tend to stick to Japanese incense because it is made to similar purity requirements (ie, no animal waste products).

I'm still learning the ins and outs of what my Names like, but 'listening' to and learning about incense in general is an activity I devote to my Father, Nefertem. I associate Morning Star Lotus with him (as it was my first Japanese incense, which He requested), but also other florals like Cherry and Plum Blossom, Sandalwood (which I tend to think of as the 'bread and water' of incense), or Aloeswood (as a complex scent that requires your attention). I've also found an Indian-style incense brand which is very transparent in its ingredients, so I informally burn them for Him too.
I also hold Morning Star Sandalwood and Vanilla close to my heart - they were used for my RPD!

Senebty,
Benerwy

Em hotep nefer, Benerwy and all! ;D

I rather wish Hemet (AUS) had started keeping records of RPD offerings back in 2016, haha. Would that I knew what she offered for the RPDs she conducted the day I was Divined. Ah well. :)

My uses/offerings of incense are overwhelmingly tied-up, though not immovably confined to, Ancient substances and uses. Some things are not available or sustainable Modernly and/or in the Western Hemisphere, so I make some adjustments and substitutions wherever possible.

I tend to stick to traditional scents (frankincense and myrrh) for Senut in particular, though I've since drastically cut back on Frankincense due to learning that it's threatened by over-harvesting and desertification. Insofar as I know, myrrh is still on the "okay" list, so that's remained my primary incense.

I have differing recipes for kapet from a few different sources, but have yet to actually try making any of them. If myrrh turns out to be threatened/endangered as well, I may just start making kapet from scratch sans myrrh and use that as my basic incense instead.

Certain species of Old World pine and true cedar have specific meanings for Set heka-wise, particularly where it concerns His form of Set-Bʔr, so when I do Set-related heka (e.g., praying for other people's recovery from illness), out comes the cedar. ;) The cedar I use is Japanese, of course, so it's technically a cypress/juniper and not derived from (vulnerable/threatened) true cedar wood. That said, it has nearly all the same properties (strength, aromatic quality, insect-repellent properties, etc.) as the relevant Mediterranean true cedars, so I'm not as picky about it. :P

As for florals, I overwhelmingly use jasmine. Jasmine (https://discovery.ucl.ac.uk/id/eprint/1529305/1/Sureshkumar%20Muthukumaran%20Ecology%20of%20Trade.pdf) also has Ancient Near Eastern and Northeast African applications, oddly enough. For obvious reasons it's typically associated with India and East Asian cultures, but jasmine was arguably acclimatized in Ancient Egypt (likely by way of Yemen, the Red Sea and Eastern Desert trade routes) before the close of the New Kingdom Period, though a more robust portion of the evidence dates to the Graeco-Roman Period. For those reasons and others, it has some "Asiatic" connotations about it, and miiiiight, possibly, also be one of the inspirations for the elusive "South-Flower" (https://oi.uchicago.edu/sites/oi.uchicago.edu/files/uploads/shared/docs/HJKIII.pdf) . . . though in any case, I regard it as a workable substitute for whatever the South-Flower actually was, if indeed it was based on any one real plant to begin with. All of the aforementioned factors into my devotions for a series of long-winded personal reasons, but I won't get into them here. ;) In the main, though, I view jasmine as "general purpose." It's very widely cultivated and far from endangered, has an exceptional aroma, and it makes things like tea and cakes taste heavenly. :3

As for things with no correlation I know of to anything specifically Ancient Egyptian, and no articulate rationales behind them: I like offering lilac to my Fathers, bergamot for Set and Djehuty specifically, and eucalyptus (especially when combined with mint) to my Beloveds Herishef and Wesir-Narefy. :) Those particular plants/scents just put me in mind of those Gods for reasons I can't name.

Senebty!
Sedjfai
Title: Re: Favourite Incense for your Names?
Post by: Shenuty on March 10, 2021, 01:00:12 pm
Myrrh. Wepwawet/Wepwawet-Ra is the Lord of Myrrh, and it’s my go-to incense.

I’ve noticed that Heru-Wer and Set seem to like Dragon’s Blood and Frankincense. Sokar-Wesir likes Green Tea and Jasmine.

But I go through so much myrrh incense :b
Title: Re: Favourite Incense for your Names?
Post by: Emsenet on March 10, 2021, 03:15:22 pm
I love using raw kyphi/kapet. It’s perhaps my favourite scent — but as it’s quite expensive to burn daily, I only use it on special occasions and I prefer Japanese incense for my daily Senut.

One of Aset’s epithets is the Lady of Myrrh (*high fives Shenuty*), so when I have access to myrrh incense, that’s my preferred option. My incense stick brand of choice is Shoyeido, who make ritually pure, charcoal-free Tibetan Buddhist blends, and I’m currently burning through a box of their Honoka blend — sandalwood and frankincense.
Title: Re: Favourite Incense for your Names?
Post by: TahekerutAset on March 10, 2021, 03:34:26 pm
Myrrh.  As someone else has mentioned, Aset is called "Lady of Myrrh".  Myrrh is the only incense I have. 

I get migraines so I can't have strong scents around me, but the Nippon Kodo Morning Star incense Myrrh is mostly okay for me.  Aset seems to like it. 

If I can't use myrrh, I pour a bowl of Florida Water for scent. 
Title: Re: Favourite Incense for your Names?
Post by: Rev. Tawa'u on March 10, 2021, 03:37:39 pm
I use Japanese incense, primarily Morning Star, Nippon Kodo, and Shoyeido.

Bast-Mut is fond of florals and sweet scents.  I'm using mostly Vanilla, Jasmine, Lotus, Cherry Blossom, and Peony Tree scents for Her.  I also have Sandlewood, which goes over great with the whole lineup.
Title: Re: Favourite Incense for your Names?
Post by: Khesretitui on April 22, 2021, 09:01:18 pm
I get a bit fussy and fiddly with specific incenses for certain gods when I have the budget, but my long-standing everyday go-to has been Nippon Kodo's "Mainichi-Koh" (i.e., "Everyday Incense") sandalwood. It's inexpensive, avoids what we call the "poop-stick" problem at my house (i.e., some incenses are made using cow dung as a binder), and, at least in my opinion, smells quite nice. I've endeavored to keep a box around at all times for various purposes since I discovered it about 20 years ago while in Japan. It's available on Amazon and plenty of other places.

For Ra-Heruakhety, I tend toward frankincense and myrrh, but my current living situation makes burning resin using charcoal an overcomplicated pain in the rump (that's technically a lease violation), and there's also the sustainability issues others have pointed out...so I'll keep Morning Star's take on both of those scents around if I'm feeling like I want to use them.

For Set, I've tended to use dragon's blood resin for a long time--but again, the charcoal issue, and I think there might also be sustainability concerns there, too. I think I'm gonna try giving cedar a spin at some point, based on Sedjfai's discussion of it. I wasn't aware of its association with him before, but I could certainly see it being a good, strong match.
Title: Re: Favourite Incense for your Names?
Post by: Sedjfaiemitui on April 23, 2021, 09:05:36 am
(Thank you, Khesret, for reviving the thread! ;D )

Something I forgot to mention concerning my Great Father, Banebdjedet, which some of His Beloveds-of in the House might like to know if they didn't already:

CINNAMON. :D

Both cassia cinnamon and "true" cinnamon. Not entirely sure how over-harvested the latter might be, as it's a "special order" kind of spice, so I opt for the much more widely available variety of cassia one can find in the baking aisle of any given grocery store.

Cinnamon was an important ingredient in the essential Mendesian unguent that plays a role in (what little we know of) daily ritual for Banebdjedet's cult.

The following overlaps with the "Bread Thread," wherever that may have gone:

I've also worked cinnamon into the simulacra I've settled on for the conical SA-bread (punning on SAt, meaning "slaughter," which is traditionally a very heavy-doughed wheat flour- and honey-based bread incorporating animal fat as "God's enemy's flesh substitute" that I throw cinnamon into, riffing off an old family recipe for a particular kind of cylindrical Sicilian dessert-bread that comes out of the oven looking like 6-Pdr tank shells (https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/759153388470009917/828064621368967248/image0.jpg), hahaha) and tA-wr, "Great Bread," which is basically like a cinnamon-raisin loaf. "Great Bread" is a general offering item for every God, insofar as I am presently aware, but on a personal level I associate it with my Father Banebdjedet first and foremost. There are A LOT of Amun-Re-specific breads listed at His temples (including but not limited to Hebet Temple, which is a big source of ritual inspiration for me and is a place where Banebdjedet is very explicitly identified as His Most Mysterious of Mysterious Manifestations, Djefedjef, "Hidden Within His Eye/Iris"), but I tend to focus on those two types of offering-loaf because of the cinnamon I put in them. :)

Senebty!
Sedjfai

Title: Re: Favourite Incense for your Names?
Post by: Sesaiaset on April 23, 2021, 03:26:21 pm
I can second the cinnamon suggestion for all the reasons listed historically! :) I have an incense that I use on special occasion, Fred Soll's Resin on a Stick incense in the Frankincense and Myrrh with Cinnamon scent. They also have a single note cinnamon incense. I lean towards the variant with frankincense and myrrh since traditionally the Mendesian consists of strong myrrh and cinnamon notes.

My general use incense is the very commonly used Morning Star Japanese incense of which I have a wide selection. For (Aset-)Hatmehyt I default to either myrrh or jasmine. I have the Fred Soll Moonlight Jasmine which is another special occasion offering.

Cedar is also a popular offering at my house. I have the Morning Star sticks as well as compressed bricks of wood. I find I prefer the bricks because they have a stronger and more pleasant scent. It takes a bit more time to get it burning, but it is well worth it.

Rose is a scent I always keep on hand, although I most commonly use it for my Akhu for personal reasons.
Title: Re: Favourite Incense for your Names?
Post by: Tanebet on April 24, 2021, 05:49:55 am
For Heru-Sa-Aset I am mostly using Kyphi or Sandalwood

Cedar, pine or frankincense for Wesir.

I make my own Kyphi, additionally I use Japanese incense sticks.
Title: Re: Favourite Incense for your Names?
Post by: Lita45 on April 24, 2021, 06:18:54 am
Sandlewood
Dejehuty and Ogdoad Mainly
Kush Dedun
Lavender Hathor
Cinnamon/ Cherry Auset/ Ausar
Sekhmet Orangy Scents


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Title: Re: Favourite Incense for your Names?
Post by: DarkDragonoffire on April 27, 2021, 08:10:50 pm
I have been using all kinds of incense for the house but have not settled on a specific type for the alter yet. But i did want to ask (if this is against  the rules please delete my post) where if at all possible can you get kyphi incense sticks, or is this only a powder?
Title: Re: Favourite Incense for your Names?
Post by: Sedjfaiemitui on April 28, 2021, 07:45:59 am
I have been using all kinds of incense for the house but have not settled on a specific type for the alter yet. But i did want to ask (if this is against  the rules please delete my post) where if at all possible can you get kyphi incense sticks, or is this only a powder?

Em hotep nefer, DarkDragonoffire!

Kapet (kyphi) is typically sold as pellets or in granular form (that is, without the traditional wine, honey, and fruit ingredients commonly mentioned in a few different Ancient recipes), and you can find either form fairly easily enough on Etsy. I don't have a particular seller I would personally recommend, so it'll be a process of trial and error on your end. :)

Otherwise, you can try your hand at making your own kapet. Lise Manniche lists one or two recipes for it in a now-OOP text she published a couple decades or so ago, which primarily deals with Ancient Egyptian incense and perfume. I have a copy of it in my personal library. I'd be happy to scan the relevant pages for you, if you're interested. ;D

Senebty!
Sedjfai
Title: Re: Favourite Incense for your Names?
Post by: Shaseni on April 28, 2021, 03:24:48 pm
Before my RPD, I used a lot of myrrh for Senut. Sometimes a little amber. Since my RPD, and to be honest from a few weeks beforehand, I changed from myrrh, and rarely use it now except for special festivals.

Instead, on Saturdays (Set-urdays!), Mondays, and Wednesdays, Set chooses frankincense. On Sundays, Tuesdays, and Thursdays, Nit chooses sandalwood, as do Nebt-het and Seshat if They are emphasized. They really don't seem to vary from those choices—so far at least—but I do check. Fridays is Beloveds' day: Sekhmet tends to choose sandalwood, Hethert mostly chooses amber, and Heru-wer often wants whatever Set gets!

I don't know whether They choose what They choose because They know I like those fragrances—which I do!—or whether those are Their actual preferences for the context of my shrine. Perhaps They're making it easy for me by sticking to a routine. Or perhaps They know my wife's preferences!

All the above are Nippon Kodo Morning Star.
Title: Re: Favourite Incense for your Names?
Post by: Sesaiaset on April 30, 2021, 10:19:45 pm
Lise Manniche lists one or two recipes for it in a now-OOP text she published a couple decades or so ago, which primarily deals with Ancient Egyptian incense and perfume. I have a copy of it in my personal library. I'd be happy to scan the relevant pages for you, if you're interested. ;D

This text is also available via the Internet Archive (https://openlibrary.org/works/OL2903050W/Sacred_Luxuries?edition=sacredluxuriesfr0000mann). It costs nothing to create an account and borrow books, so I highly recommend using Open Library if you're looking for books! Chapter 3 contains the section on kyphi.