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Title: Why be named?
Post by: Demaimuti on February 22, 2008, 09:37:17 pm
I know that like the RPD, becoming a Shemsu and being named is optional. I'd like to know why some of the Shemsus chose to be named? Also I'd like to know about how they came to that decision.
Title: Re: Why be named?
Post by: Sema'a on February 22, 2008, 10:04:15 pm
Em hotep, mauvedragon!

The Rite of Parent Divination, Shemsu Naming and Shemsuhood are all optional - but if you want to become a Shemsu, Naming is part of that process. It is the rite of passage by which one becomes a Shemsu. For me, I knew right away after my divination that I wanted to be a Shemsu, so Naming was part of the package for me.

Also, just a helpful tip - Shemsu is the same in singular and plural form, kind of like sheep, or moose. ;) Took me forever to figure that out.

Senebty! :)
Sobeq
Title: Re: Why be named?
Post by: Metitaitui on February 22, 2008, 10:10:57 pm
Em hotep!

Well being named is part of becoming a Shemsu. While the RPD is beginning of the rite of passage into Shemsuhood, the naming is the completion of it. You could almost see it as a rebirth of some sort. You find out who created you in the RPD and then receive your name. It is at the naming ceremony where you take the Shemsu vows.  

EDIT: Ooops, pretty much restated what Sobeq already said. :crazy:

I chose to go on to become Shemsu and then get named because at the time it seemed like the right decision. It still is the right decision for me now. I love these people as my family.

Senebty,
Meti
Title: Re: Why be named?
Post by: Demaimuti on February 22, 2008, 10:21:53 pm
Quote from: Sobeqsenu
but if you want to become a Shemsu, Naming is part of that process. It is the rite of passage by which one becomes a Shemsu.


I knew that there was no distinction between naming and becoming a shemsu. Perhaps I should have asked "Why become a shemsu?"

 
Quote from: Metitaitui

I chose to go on to become Shemsu and then get named because at the time it seemed like the right decision. It still is the right decision for me now. I love these people as my family.



I know I want to have the RPD....I'm thinking about Shemsu vows because I have found from the beginners course that it is my natural inclination to serve Netjer first. However I am trying to make sure that I deliberate about it fully because I made comfirmation vows at sixteen under pressure from my mother and now I can only keep the spirit of those vows but not the letter. I'm scared that my spirituallity and my reaction to Netjer may change over time again.
Title: Re: Why be named?
Post by: Metitaitui on February 22, 2008, 10:33:07 pm
Quote from: mauvedragon
I know I want to have the RPD....I'm thinking about Shemsu vows because I have found from the beginners course that it is my natural inclination to serve Netjer first. However I am trying to make sure that I deliberate about it fully because I made comfirmation vows at sixteen under pressure from my mother and now I can only keep the spirit of those vows but not the letter. I'm scared that my spirituallity and my reaction to Netjer may change over time again.


That's good that you plan to think about it fully, I think this kind of decision should be something that is mulled over thoroughly. And though I do tend to be impulsive I did think about this decision for a few months after completing the beginners class. The great thing about the House though is that if at any time you find that it is no longer the place for you or if you find yourself being pulled somewhere else you can step down to Remetj or even leave entirely.
Title: Re: Why be named?
Post by: Demaimuti on February 22, 2008, 10:52:36 pm
Quote from: Metitaitui
The great thing about the House though is that if at any time you find that it is no longer the place for you or if you find yourself being pulled somewhere else you can step down to Remetj or even leave entirely.


You can be released from those vows if necessary?
Title: Re: Why be named?
Post by: Metitaitui on February 22, 2008, 11:02:21 pm
Yes. In my time as a member here (almost two years :D) I have known a few people who have left, or chose to go back to Remetjhood.
Title: Re: Why be named?
Post by: Meruti on February 22, 2008, 11:17:25 pm
I've had a lot of times where I questioned whether this was the right place for me. I've had long periods of anger, doubt, borderline atheism, and simply not giving a crap. Honestly, there should be no shame attached to any of these things. They happen to everyone and they show that you're actually thinking about your faith, rather than just gamely trudging along with no real feeling whatsoever toward anything.

If you want to know the truth, I'd be more scared if your spirituality and reaction to Netjer didn't change over time. At some point you'll almost certainly become frustrated or apathetic and take a break for while, but eventually return to Netjer with a renewed sense of purpose. You may even begin to focus most of your attention elsewhere or lose faith completely. Are these things painful? Yes. Do they make you sigh and yell and bawl helplessly? Yes. In the end, though, are they really that huge a deal? Not really. As cliche as it is, it's the journey and not the destination that counts.

I'm might seem pretty lackadaisical about all this stuff. Maybe I am. I just believe that overthinking things doesn't lead you anywhere good. This is not to say that you should make rash decisions or never contemplate things, but when you start overthinking something all you do is run in circles, lose track of the original question, and eventually end up right back where you started, still confused and no closer to a satisfactory answer. As Meti said, it's a good idea to mull over the situation for a while, go slowly and don't rush yourself, but for god's sake don't get caught up in some mental/spiritual gauntlet over it. Religion should not be something that makes you feel like you've been run through the wringers. Life is tough enough on its own.

Alright, I'm going to shut up now. Just remember that there is no pressure to do anything, or to not do anything. You're no more devoted if you're a Shemsu, and no less devoted if you're not. No one will think less of you if you decide that this is not where you want to be. If they do, I will personally go to their house and yell at them until they cry. ;)

ETA: Sorry if this sounded really inflammatory. It wasn't meant to. :(
Title: Re: Why be named?
Post by: Senushemi on February 23, 2008, 02:07:01 am
Just to clarify, the levels of membership (as I understand it) are:  Guest, Beginner, Remetj (members who stay on after the beginner's class), Divined Remetj (received RPD but not Shemsu yet), and Shemsu (those who are named and accept Shemsu vows).

People seem to forget about Divined Remetj; it's sort of assumed that if you get the RPD you'll choose to become Shemsu too, but not everyone does and you'll never be told you have to.  :)
Title: Re: Why be named?
Post by: Demaimuti on February 23, 2008, 02:13:46 am
Quote from: Senushemi

People seem to forget about Divined Remetj; it's sort of assumed that if you get the RPD you'll choose to become Shemsu too, but not everyone does and you'll never be told you have to.  :)


I hadn't forgotten about Divined Remetj. I'm treating this possibility as separate from the decision to have RPD.
Title: Re: Why be named?
Post by: Bestekeni on February 23, 2008, 04:10:02 am
Divined Remetj have undergone RPD but have not undergone Shemsu vows and naming.
Title: Re: Why be named?
Post by: Kheretsenu on February 23, 2008, 09:03:48 am
Personally, I took my Shemsu vows out of joyful gratitude. My thoughts were along the lines of, "these Names created me, the least I can do is vow to serve them first and foremost."

Oh, and a lot of love too. "Shemsu" literally means "follower." Most people in today's society are uncomfortable with being followers; we place high value on leadership. But obviously, where God is concerned, I think it's best to let God lead, if you know what I mean.
Title: Re: Why be named?
Post by: Senushemi on February 23, 2008, 10:25:44 am
Quote from: mauvedragon
I hadn't forgotten about Divined Remetj. I'm treating this possibility as separate from the decision to have RPD.


I didn't mean you specifically, just the conversation in general - but I'm curious by what you mean by treating the Divined Remetj possibility as separate from the decision to have RPD; they go hand in hand.  Or do you mean that you aren't worrying about moving from Divined Remetj to Shemsu yet, you're still pondering the RPD itself?

From the naturally curious cat...  :)
Title: Re: Why be named?
Post by: Senushemi on February 23, 2008, 10:49:53 am
Also, I agree with Kheret - being named to me meant dedicating myself as a follower of Netjer *first* before any and all other gods.  It's sort of like a baptism or confirmation that way - in fact, it's very much like the Catholic confirmation where you receive your confirmation name from the Bishop (the only difference being the Catholics let you choose your own confirmation name).  I was happy to let Hemet (AUS) get my name from my Parents for me; They might have told me Themselves, or They might not have.  Hemet has a better connection to Netjer than any of us, so I trust her to get it right more than I trust myself, if that makes sense.  :)
Title: Re: Why be named?
Post by: Metitaitui on February 23, 2008, 12:00:37 pm
I didn't forget about Divined Remetj. :blush: I considered bringing it up but then didn't think it was pertinent to the conversation since mauvedragon wanted to know about Shemsu vows and stuff but hey it is useful information. :)

Oh and I agree with Kheret as well but I think both my feelings to towards the gods and the community both played a huge part in it. While I wanted to serve Netjer first if I didn't like the community here I wouldn't have gone through Shemsu vows but instead would have made my own vows.
Title: Re: Why be named?
Post by: Sekhmetyanu on February 23, 2008, 12:39:27 pm
How does it all work to take the vows, exactly? I feel compelled to take them. I know you get divined, and then you're name is already found? Then if you want you take the vows and you get named? Am I right? And not to sound cheap but would it cost extra, if it does I need to save up for that too.
Title: Re: Why be named?
Post by: Padjaiemweru on February 23, 2008, 01:26:24 pm
Naming and vows are done in a community ceremony/celebration.  currently most of these are done online in a chat format, simply because we have people from all over the world attending.  It is fairly simple, with the Nisut declaring to everyone the new names and their meanings, and then leads the group in a "do you pledge" oath.  Then celebration and cake for everyone!
Title: Re: Why be named?
Post by: Senushemi on February 23, 2008, 02:11:34 pm
Quote from: Metitaitui
Oh and I agree with Kheret as well but I think both my feelings to towards the gods and the community both played a huge part in it. While I wanted to serve Netjer first if I didn't like the community here I wouldn't have gone through Shemsu vows but instead would have made my own vows.  


Good point, Meti - the community here played a big part in my decision to stay on in the first place as a Remetj, and then move on to Shemsu as well.  :)
Title: Re: Why be named?
Post by: Senushemi on February 23, 2008, 02:15:53 pm
Quote from: Nya
How does it all work to take the vows, exactly? I feel compelled to take them. I know you get divined, and then you're name is already found?


Hotep Nya!  While your name is already known by your Parent(s), I don't think it's known by Hemet until after you take the RPD *and* decide to become Shemsu.  Might be a good question for the Ask The Nisut board.

Quote from: Nya
Then if you want you take the vows and you get named? Am I right? And not to sound cheap but would it cost extra, if it does I need to save up for that too.


No, it doesn't cost extra.  :)  As Padjai said, it's done in a large group and all Divined Remetj awaiting their names are then named together in the ceremony with the Shemsu vows at the end, usually the last Wednesday of the month if Hemet is ready.  It's always a big celebration, but be sure to bring your own cake.  ;)
Title: Re: Why be named?
Post by: Demaimuti on February 23, 2008, 11:16:36 pm
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I'm curious by what you mean by treating the Divined Remetj possibility as separate from the decision to have RPD; they go hand in hand. Or do you mean that you aren't worrying about moving from Divined Remetj to Shemsu yet, you're still pondering the RPD itself?


Neither. I meant that the decision to have an RPD should be made without thinking about Shemsu vows. Thinking about Shemsu vows is only relevant after you've decided to have an RPD.
Title: Re: Why be named?
Post by: Sema'a on February 23, 2008, 11:43:29 pm
Quote from: mauvedragon
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I'm curious by what you mean by treating the Divined Remetj possibility as separate from the decision to have RPD; they go hand in hand. Or do you mean that you aren't worrying about moving from Divined Remetj to Shemsu yet, you're still pondering the RPD itself?


Neither. I meant that the decision to have an RPD should be made without thinking about Shemsu vows. Thinking about Shemsu vows is only relevant after you've decided to have an RPD.


Em hotep, mauvedragon! *henu*

That makes sense. You have to make sure you are quite satisfied with the way the Rite of Parent Divination turned out before you commit to Shemsu vows. If you doubt your divination, then you are going to have difficulty being comfortable making Shemsu vows to serve the deities Who stepped forward in that rite. :) Good point.

To answer your original question: For me, there was only one thing that could have stopped me from becoming  a Shemsu as soon as possible, to be honest: if Wepwawet were not at least my Beloved. But He is, in fact, my Father, and the first to come forward for me. As soon as I heard my Parents and Beloveds, I knew They were all so absolutely right. I had known that I wanted to devote a substantial amount of worship to Wepwawet before doing the Rite of Parent Divination and taking Shemsu vows; when I was divined as His daughter, I knew that nothing would make me happier than being His follower. The same with Sekhmet-Mut - though I did not know She would be my Mother, rather than Beloved, and I did not expect the syncretization. I was satisfied with my experiences within the beginners' class, and, having met Hemet and several Kai-Imakhiu in person, was satisfied that the folks within the House are generally good folks. It just made sense, to me.

Becoming a Shemsu is something that's intensely personal, I think - but I think in general, there's two things that let you know you're ready for it:
* You want to serve your Parent(s) above all other gods.
* You want Kemetic Orthodoxy to be your primary religion.
When both of those sentences are true, then that's when Shemsu vows are right for you. Other things, such as love for your Parent(s), devotion to Netjer, anything like that - those are secondary, and those should be reasons for why those above two conditions are true. Without those two desires, there's not much reason to take Shemsu vows. I think if you look at the answers you get in this thread, you'll find that it all boils down to those two points. Maybe not so much the second one, as that one doesn't necessarily get so much attention because it's assumed - but definitely the first one.

Senebty!
Sobeq
Title: Re: Why be named?
Post by: Shuri on February 24, 2008, 10:50:50 am
Quote from: mauvedragon
Quote from: Metitaitui
The great thing about the House though is that if at any time you find that it is no longer the place for you or if you find yourself being pulled somewhere else you can step down to Remetj or even leave entirely.


You can be released from those vows if necessary?


You can, and people do; I think the general consensus is that there's no point adhering to such vows if things have changed for you and you're no longer able to wear your Shemsu hat wholeheartedly.

However, I personally see taking Shemsu vows as roughly akin to getting married, and so "stepping down" from Shemsuhood is a bit like getting divorced: it's the right thing to do in some situations, but all the same, you probably shouldn't be getting married whilst thinking "I'm not sure about this, but oh well, if it doesn't work out there's always divorce!"

Which is why I'm still a divined remetj. :)