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Title: Creation of Shemsu-Ankh?
Post by: TahekerutAset on March 14, 2009, 12:49:18 am
Em hotep,

Why was the title and function of Shemsu-Ankh created? What is its purpose in Kemetic Orthodoxy?



Title: Re: Creation of Shemsu-Ankh?
Post by: Sopdetmuti on March 14, 2009, 02:22:31 am
Em hotep,

   
This is a level of membership in the faith, different from shemsu.

A Shemsu is a Remetj who underwent the ritual of parent divination  and who made vows to  to its parent netjer. The vows of shemsu is a personal commitment to honor its parents netjeru first, before all other deities and practice Maat. The shemsu recognizes the Nisut at this time as a teacher in the faith to learn the tradition and ritual. The shemsu can continue to simultaneously practice a different religion or honor other deities of another tradition.

The shemsu-ankh (who is a shemsu before) recognizes Nisut as its teacher and its spiritual leader, and serves the community and its parents netjer. This level of membership is the subject of a special rite known as "Weshem-IB (weighing of the heart) and includes specific vows. Ritual made only in real life. only shemsu-ankh are eligible for the priesthood in the faith.

Senebty
Title: Re: Creation of Shemsu-Ankh?
Post by: TahekerutAset on March 14, 2009, 02:35:50 am
Thank you for your reply.  

Perhaps I should have worded my question differently because that did not answer my question.  

What I'm asking is, what was the position of Shemsu-Ankh created for?  Why is there a level of Shemsu-Ankh membership?  What is the reason for having this level of membership?  

I hope this clarifies my question.  

Title: Re: Creation of Shemsu-Ankh?
Post by: Sopdetmuti on March 14, 2009, 02:43:07 am
Em hotep,


I suppose that the level exist for to propose two different forms of commitments, so that everyone finds its place in the faith. Shemsu-ankh represents the level of full membership or maximum.

Does that answer your question better?
  :blush:


Title: Re: Creation of Shemsu-Ankh?
Post by: TahekerutAset on March 14, 2009, 03:16:52 am
Yes.  

Thank you.  
Title: Re: Creation of Shemsu-Ankh?
Post by: Menekh on March 14, 2009, 05:37:58 am
Em Hotep JewelofAset.

In addition to what Sopdet shared, there is a little more about it here (http://www.kemet.org/terms_list.html) on the Kemetic Orthodox Terms page.  Much about Shemsu-ankh-hood is oathbound - not just for secrecy sake, but also because some commitments between men and Netjer are so very personal, and just don't make sense until you have done it.  A bad analogy might be trying to explain WoW to someone who doesn't know anything about it.

From one perspective, the experience of becoming Shemsu-ankh also helps one to begin preparation for the priesthood if that is something that is desired by both the person and Netjer.  Shemsu-ankh are also considered "elders" of the faith and exist, in part, to serve the Temple in many varied ways.  We make a commitment to put the Temple first before any other spiritual practices we may have.  I think there were some old threads about it somewhere around here, but don't remember where.  

Senebty :)

M
Title: Re: Creation of Shemsu-Ankh?
Post by: Taji on March 14, 2009, 08:49:28 am
Another way to look at it is when you become shemsu you make a commitment to serve your gods.  When you become shemsu-ankh, you also make a commitment to serve the House of Netjer and its people.  
Title: Re: Creation of Shemsu-Ankh?
Post by: Padjaiemweru on March 14, 2009, 01:38:12 pm
just a  bit of clarification:

A member who is a shemsu-ankh is a shemsu.  Not better than, not more than, not higher than, just a shemsu who has undergone another ritual and taken another oath.

There are only two types of people associated with the House of Netjer.  Shemsu (who are full members) and Remetj (who are the friends of and other people associated with the faith, but who are not, for many different reasons, including differences in beliefs, other religious constraints, age, and more, are not members of our faith).

Note also, that all W'ab, Imakhu, and Kai-Imakhu are also all shemsu.  No one is more of a member than anyone else.
Title: Re: Creation of Shemsu-Ankh?
Post by: MeritAset on March 14, 2009, 04:02:35 pm
Quote from: Padjaiemweru
just a  bit of clarification:

A member who is a shemsu-ankh is a shemsu.  Not better than, not more than, not higher than, just a shemsu who has undergone another ritual and taken another oath.

There are only two types of people associated with the House of Netjer.  Shemsu (who are full members) and Remetj (who are the friends of and other people associated with the faith, but who are not, for many different reasons, including differences in beliefs, other religious constraints, age, and more, are not members of our faith).

Note also, that all W'ab, Imakhu, and Kai-Imakhu are also all shemsu.  No one is more of a member than anyone else.


Thank you for adding that Padjai. When I was divined, there was no Shemsu-Ankh status. I can't for the life of me remember WHY it was brought in, but for Shemsu like me, who physically cannot attend Tawy to undergo Weshem-Ib, it can be a sticking point sometimes, especially when other Shemsu appear to make out that it's somewhat "better" because it's necessary for people to go through to become clergy. If I recall correctly, Hemet said that ALL Shemsu are priests of the Names. Shemsu-Ankh also serve the KO community and that's the main difference.

I was always of the understanding that pre-Shemsu-Ankh days, taking Shemsu vows was the equivalent of Shemsu-Ankh status Gods-wise. And upon re-reading my Beginner's lessons it does indeed appear to look like the difference between Remetj and Shemsu is that Remetj can continue to be multifaith while Shemsu serve Netjer. Of course, I don't have a copy of current Beginner's Lessons to compare it to because, until now, it wasn't a big deal to me. But now curiousity has got me so I think I'll go look.

Senebty,
Title: Re: Creation of Shemsu-Ankh?
Post by: HenutPtah on March 14, 2009, 04:48:29 pm
Quote
...Remetj (who are the friends of and other people associated with the faith, but who are not, for many different reasons, including differences in beliefs, other religious constraints, age, and more, are not members of our faith).

I would argue that remetj can also be members of the faith, but have chosen (for whatever reason) to not make the commitment to put Netjer and Kemetic Orthodoxy first.

Henut
Title: Re: Creation of Shemsu-Ankh?
Post by: Zebi on March 14, 2009, 05:31:30 pm
Quote from: MeritAset
Thank you for adding that Padjai. When I was divined, there was no Shemsu-Ankh status. I can't for the life of me remember WHY it was brought in, but for Shemsu like me, who physically cannot attend Tawy to undergo Weshem-Ib, it can be a sticking point sometimes, especially when other Shemsu appear to make out that it's somewhat "better" because it's necessary for people to go through to become clergy.


You are not the only one who feels this way, Merit.

I respect institution of the Weshim-Ib, and what the Shemsu-Ankh vows stand for. However, there are times that I question the idea of Shemsu-Ankh being considered "elders" of the faith. I have seen Shemsu who have been with the faith for a year or less undergo the Weshim-Ib. There are also Shemsu who have been with us for a number of years who have not had the opportunity to take the vows. I should emphasize here that becoming Shemsu-Ankh is a choice; it is not mandatory. My point is this - is the Shemsu who has been with the faith for years any less of an "elder" than the Shemsu-Ankh who's only been around for a short time?

There are many of us who wish to undergo the Weshim-Ib, but for one reason or another, can not. I dearly wish to undergo the Weshim-Ib and take the vows. However, I'm in school, and will be in classes over the summer. I am also on disability, which means that I have a fixed income, and can only put so much money aside. Going to Wep Ronpet this year will not be possible for me this year.

Senebty!
Title: Re: Creation of Shemsu-Ankh?
Post by: Metitaitui on March 14, 2009, 06:54:40 pm
Quote from: Zebi


I respect institution of the Weshim-Ib, and what the Shemsu-Ankh vows stand for. However, there are times that I question the idea of Shemsu-Ankh being considered "elders" of the faith. I have seen Shemsu who have been with the faith for a year or less undergo the Weshim-Ib. There are also Shemsu who have been with us for a number of years who have not had the opportunity to take the vows. I should emphasize here that becoming Shemsu-Ankh is a choice; it is not mandatory. My point is this - is the Shemsu who has been with the faith for years any less of an "elder" than the Shemsu-Ankh who's only been around for a short time?

 


I agree. I would not consider myself an elder as I've only been here for going on 4 years. Personally to me the vows represent my service to the community. Not saying that those who are not Shemsu-Ankh can't or won't be there for the community just that this is what the vows mean to me.
Title: Re: Creation of Shemsu-Ankh?
Post by: Menekh on March 14, 2009, 07:01:37 pm
Em Hotep.

I think the word "elder" comes with a lot of baggage in Western secular and religious meaning. One has to take the word in the context in which it is used and it can have different meaning in a different religious/cultural setting.  In Kemetic Orthodoxy, I might argue that these vows place a Shemsu in a specific service role to Netjer and the Temple in a way that is very personal and has nothing to do with the western idea of "rank" (which is also a very loaded word).  

I believe it is a specific vow to a specific type of service that is very personal - a sort of sacred contract between the Shemsu, their community, and Netjer.  It has little if anything to do with rank, seniority, age, or greater or lesser than, etc.  It's a personal vow to service sought by an individual.    That's all.

Senebty,

M
Title: Re: Creation of Shemsu-Ankh?
Post by: Aqheret on March 14, 2009, 07:06:00 pm
Padjai, Merit and Zebi, thanks.
Title: Re: Creation of Shemsu-Ankh?
Post by: Naisenu on March 14, 2009, 08:22:06 pm
Quote from: MeritAset
I was always of the understanding that pre-Shemsu-Ankh days, taking Shemsu vows was the equivalent of Shemsu-Ankh status Gods-wise. And upon re-reading my Beginner's lessons it does indeed appear to look like the difference between Remetj and Shemsu is that Remetj can continue to be multifaith while Shemsu serve Netjer.


One quick thing here, Merit, Shemsu and Shemsu-Ankh can still be multifaith. They just have to put Netjer above other faiths.

And I too have seen so many others go through the Beginner's class, get named, then go to Retreat. I too feel a pang of jealousy and "TAKE ME WITH YOU" too. I too have seen Shemsu become "Ankhed" in a year or less (it seems?) from their divination and naming. I am happy (or trying to convince myself to be happy) that I am to wait and be sure that I want to do that myself someday.
Title: Re: Creation of Shemsu-Ankh?
Post by: Zebi on March 14, 2009, 08:32:05 pm
Em hotep, Metitaitui and Menekh! *henu*

When I think of what being Shemsu-Ankh means, I think of the commitments made to Netjer, to the House, and to its community. What I was trying to say earlier was that I feel that "elder" is not the best term for characterizing, precisely because of the baggage that word carries.

Senebty!
Title: Re: Creation of Shemsu-Ankh?
Post by: HehiAset on March 15, 2009, 05:26:31 am
M Htp Everyone,

Can I add some, (I hope) clarification, to this discussion?

I have been Kemetic for 12 years or so, tho not with the house, so while I am fairly junior in terms of time in HoN I personally do not feel that particularly relevant to wishing to becoming Shemsu Ankh, nor (as I do) W'ab..for which Shemsu-Ankh is an "House Rules" pre-requisite).

I do entirely sympathise with all those who fell a purely personal calling to be of more us to the House but cannot, for whatever reason get there! Like others, for whom money is the problem, I simply have  to cut back on many of the things I wanted pre-joining to effect enough savings at some future date. I may be very lucky also, in that my wife, whose faith is different is fully supportive (as I am of her)

I had many chats with longer served Members of the faith about Shemsu-Ankhh, and W'ab which is,of course only a lay function,not part of the Priesthood.

Without exception is was made clear to me that none of these inply "higher grades/levels" in the same sense as these terms would in the Armed Forces/Businesses etc. Nor should they be sought as "bright new shiny badges" to be worn with pride and be "shown-off".

The explanation I was given was that they mean a purely personal, willing acceptance of increasing levels of commitment and service, in my case also limited by the cost/distance factor.

W'ab should I ever become one seems the best way I can serve the House and the Nation, but I can only apply it is for Aset and Hemet to decide.

I do not think I am "better or more senior" than anyone else, and frequently still learn from questions asked by Beginners and visitors, as well as Shemsu. I have only put this in a personal sort of way, because I cannot speak for the other Ankhs, but I would doubt that they feel very differently.

Blessings and Senebty

Hehi
Title: Re: Creation of Shemsu-Ankh?
Post by: Sopdetmuti on March 15, 2009, 06:18:46 am
Em hotep,

I would like to detail my point of view. When I say that shemsu-ankh is full membership. I think it is complete, maximum in the commitments. Because it includes additional vows, compared to the vows of shemsu. I say complete, that does not mean superior or more important.

For the netjer and in our faith, all human beings are important, whatever are their title. I think there are "shemsu" which are "shemsu-ankh" in their hearts and through their actions, even if they have not undergone the ritual for a lot of reasons (distance, money, time...).

Commitment is first to do in itself. I think that the ritual embodies and formalizes this commitment in front of Hemet and the community.

Today, I do not want to become shemsu-ankh. This choice does not mean that I don't love my kemetic orthodox family, Hemet and the netjer. This does not mean that I do not want to serve our community. But I am also related and I am committed to helping another group and family. Stay shemsu allows me to balance my commitments to both kemetic families, which are close and different.I think that's also what my two mothers wants.... i suppose.. :p

That is why I think these two levels of commitments exist to allow everyone to find its place in the faith, according to its story ... etc. And you can serve the community without become a shemsu-ankh.

Senebty
Title: Re: Creation of Shemsu-Ankh?
Post by: Arienihethert on March 15, 2009, 10:24:18 am
Quote from: Menekh
I think the word "elder" comes with a lot of baggage in Western secular and religious meaning. One has to take the word in the context in which it is used and it can have different meaning in a different religious/cultural setting.  In Kemetic Orthodoxy, I might argue that these vows place a Shemsu in a specific service role to Netjer and the Temple in a way that is very personal and has nothing to do with the western idea of "rank" (which is also a very loaded word).  

I believe it is a specific vow to a specific type of service that is very personal - a sort of sacred contract between the Shemsu, their community, and Netjer.  It has little if anything to do with rank, seniority, age, or greater or lesser than, etc.  It's a personal vow to service sought by an individual.    That's all.


I agree with Menekh. I tend to think of "elder" as meaning "more work to do" because I certainly have been accumulating chores the older I get. I'm really not more important, I just have more stuff to do. That's my take on it.

Senebty,
Arieni
Title: Re: Creation of Shemsu-Ankh?
Post by: Herupaneb on March 15, 2009, 10:31:23 am
Hotep,

There are alot of different themes here on who what is and so forth, I will try to define these terms precisely as possible.

Remetj - The 'citizens' of Kemetic Orthodoxy (we are all Remetj) those who have completed the Beginners course and have decided  stay in the faith.

Divined Remetj -  Those who have been divined by Rite of Parent Divination to know their Parents and Beloveds.

Shemsu - Those who have taken vows to serve their Parents as Kemetic Orthodox and perform the Kemetic Orthodox Ritual of Senut to Them.

Shemsu-Ankh - Those who have been divined for at least 1 year, and have taken vows to serve Kemetic Orthodoxy and The Nisut AUS as her child. I would like to add that Weshem-Ib does not have to be done at retreat, and those who live far/lacking funds for retreat but have at least 3 new candidates for Weshem-Ib and 3 W'abu that live locally may provide travel and accomodations to have the Nisut AUS travel and perform the Weshem-Ib.

W'abu (pure ones) - The true priesthood of Kemetic Orthodoxy. W'abu are appointed from the body of Shemsu-Ankh, and must be at least 3 years from their Shemsu naming, and 1 year from Weshem-Ib. While W'abu have not been legally recognized by the Federal Government as clergy, the W'abu perform all the sacred duties that the ancient priests performed. The only duties that W'abu cannot perform is Legal Marriage, and Pastoral counselling. However W'abu can perform Kemetic Orthodox marriage blessings.

Imakhu - (reverends) These are W'abu that have been legally ordained by the House of Netjer to fulfill the duties legally required by the Federal Government. They serve on the Board for the House of Netjer corporation. Imakhu did not exist in ancient times, and were created by the Nisut AUS because US Federal law required it. Imakhu are legally ordained to officiate weddings and perform pastoral counselling.

Kai-Imakhu - (exalted reverends) Imakhu that have served for at least 3 years.

I just want to add that all members may practice any other faith/practice/religion they please whether you are Remetj or even Kai-Imakhu. The only rule to that is there is to be definite separation between any other and Kemetic Orthodox.

Senebty!
Title: Re: Creation of Shemsu-Ankh?
Post by: Tanebet on March 15, 2009, 10:50:20 am
I am sorry Paneb, you have to be a Shemsu-Ankh for at least one year before becoming a W'ab and not 3 years
Title: Re: Creation of Shemsu-Ankh?
Post by: Maainakhtsen on March 15, 2009, 11:25:25 am
Quote from: HehiAset

I had many chats with longer served Members of the faith about Shemsu-Ankhh, and W'ab which is,of course only a lay function,not part of the Priesthood.


Em Hotep Hehi,

I'm not sure who you've been talking to, but I can assure you that W'abu are 100% priests; as specified by the designation applied by the board administrators to all W'abu.

Not only are we part of the priesthood, we are the entirety of it, as Imakhu priests, our legally ordained ministers, are also W'abu and perform the same functions in addition to their other responsibilities.

Sheesh, why's everyone always pickin' on the W'abu? Isn't it enough that we have to clean up after y'all?   ;)
Title: Re: Creation of Shemsu-Ankh?
Post by: Herupaneb on March 15, 2009, 12:07:43 pm
Hotep Tanebet,

That's correct, it's 3 years from Shemsu naming, and 1 year from Shemsu-Ankh. I'll correct it.
Title: Re: Creation of Shemsu-Ankh?
Post by: Taqaisenu on March 15, 2009, 02:31:45 pm
Quote from: Herupaneb

Shemsu-Ankh - Those who have been divined for at least 1 year, and have taken vows to serve Kemetic Orthodoxy and The Nisut AUS as her child.


Another correction on this timeframe. :)  At least as of August 2006 (it may have been different prior to this), there is no set time period before a Shemsu can become a Shemsu-Ankh.  It is recommended that the shemsu take some time to get used to their shemsu name and to get to know the community.  But no set time period between divination/naming and undergoing the Weshem-Ib.
Title: Re: Creation of Shemsu-Ankh?
Post by: Maainakhtsen on March 15, 2009, 03:01:37 pm
This might also help for those interested in terms: http://www.kemet.org/terms_list.html#other
Title: Re: Creation of Shemsu-Ankh?
Post by: HehiAset on March 16, 2009, 03:35:47 am
M Htp,Arieni and Herupaneb,

Yes I have also heard Shemsu-Ankh described as a job and it seems as good a one as any.

I am grateful, Herupaneb, for your well documented details of all the "levels" in the House and for making the point about availibily or Weshem-Ib to Internationals in their homelands. Tanebet and I have been suggesting various ways this could happen in Europe for some time and it is,genuinely, one of my hopes that if I should be accepted as one of the W'abu in due time by going again to Tawy, it may facilitate other Europeans becoming Ankhs or W'abu in future years.

Senebty


Hehi  
Title: Re: Creation of Shemsu-Ankh?
Post by: HehiAset on March 16, 2009, 03:42:30 am
M Htp Taqaisenu ,

There is now!

Like others who have had the chance, I di have the privilige of briefly discussing my hopes and fears with Hemet(AUS) on the way to O'Hare last Retreat.

She made it clear that W'abification, if that is the word!, would not be discussed with anyone until after the 1 year anniversary of thier being made Shemsu-Ankh.

Why? That is like the previous question "why was Shemsu-Ankh created". One would I guess have to ask the Nisut; tho one might guess that with the growth of the Church it was considered that more "helpers" were needed.

Senebty

Hehi

 
Title: Re: Creation of Shemsu-Ankh?
Post by: Taysatwesir on September 01, 2009, 11:24:53 am
BUMP! Don't want to lose this thread. :)
Title: Re: Creation of Shemsu-Ankh?
Post by: Niheri on September 29, 2010, 05:50:39 am
Hello everyone :).

HehiAset - Thankyou for your encouraging comment that in the future it may be possible for Europeans who can not travel to Tawy to possibly be able to take vows "closer to home", as it were. Obviously, I don't know, at this point whether Netjer will wish this path for me, (I'm still waiting patiently-ish for an opportunity to take the Beginner's Class, and I may not even be able to afford the RPD, depending on how much it costs), but it was beginning to sound as though only those able to travel to Tawy would ever get the chance to take vows as Shemsu-Ankh. That is a pity, as I think it has to do with serving the community, and as the community grows, there will be more of a need for this type of service. (I may have this wrong - I'm very new here :) ).
Title: Re: Creation of Shemsu-Ankh?
Post by: Linda on September 29, 2010, 06:27:00 am
Em hotep Jet. I did wonder the same question myself when I applied for beginners class, as it would be unaffordable for me to travel to Tawy House. I don't have a passport yet either. It would indeed be great if it were possible to take vows from long distance, if I decide to do so. I guess i'll wait patiently until we know. :)
Title: Re: Creation of Shemsu-Ankh?
Post by: Niheri on September 29, 2010, 07:10:12 am
Me, too, Linda :).
Title: Re: Creation of Shemsu-Ankh?
Post by: The Tai'awepwawet System on September 29, 2010, 07:14:13 am
Taking them from long distance isn't so much with the possible, but what is is bringing Hemet over to Europe, if we have the W'abu to facilitate the rite. I think we need two, which we do now have (GO HEHI) though he's in a [censored] of a place for getting to us all XD. This does mean we have the cost of bringing Hemet over, though. You don't have food costs and hotel costs and Retreat fees though, so it is cheaper, especially if more than one person is taking Weshem-Ib and is chipping in for her flight.


Jet: The RPD cost *can* be waived for hardship, but it's always nice if people consider saving up for it, or what hardship means, etc :) It's not denied to anyone who would have to sacrifice living costs for it!
Title: Re: Creation of Shemsu-Ankh?
Post by: Aashemmuti on September 29, 2010, 08:37:43 am
I so want to visit Tawy and become Shemsu-Ankh.

Not adding much to the discussion here... just sayin'.... ever so wistfully...
Title: Re: Creation of Shemsu-Ankh?
Post by: Khesretitui on September 29, 2010, 09:05:49 am
Taia is correct: it's not possible to do the Weshem-Ib "long-distance" like we were able to do our Namings. It requires your physical presence. However, as Taia also noted, you could get a group of folks together to invite Hemet over and pay her expenses. She has also done the 'Ib at Pantheacon before (a US Pagan convention on the Pacific coast in California), so there is a precedent for off-site rituals. They just have to be off-site personally attended rituals.

As for earlier comments that this is a job, I agree. While it isn't a baleful occupation, there is a considerable burden in keeping one's oaths. This affects quite a bit of my daily decisions, I must admit. It is certainly not something entered into lightly.
Title: Re: Creation of Shemsu-Ankh?
Post by: Tanebet on September 30, 2010, 02:31:29 am
Em Hotep,

it has always been my hope that Hemet (AUS) will come one day to Europe so that more European members can undergo Weshem'Ib. Of course money always is and was a main factor but the more Europeans members we have and who would be willing/able to contribute to cover the costs the more probably it will be

Senebty
Tanebet
Title: Re: Creation of Shemsu-Ankh?
Post by: Taysatwesir on September 30, 2010, 06:07:07 pm
I bumped this last year, what a confidence cause I've been struggling with the thought about becoming Shemsu-ankh then Wa'abhood in the futrue. I even had the bravada to ask Djehuty and Wepwawet via oracle if this is the right path, they both said yes.

Last year I couldn't afford a trip to Tawy and I also wasn't very sure of myself or the community. I have to say spending more time in person and making the jump to speak more openly with my temple family has made me more trusting or self assured. I'm not sure I would go next year to retreat, I would have the funds, its all up to wheter I feel right about taking on more commitments. :)
Title: Re: Creation of Shemsu-Ankh?
Post by: Khesretitui on September 30, 2010, 07:12:35 pm
Aww, it's not so bad if you remember to bring your graphing calculator for the math part of the test. ;)
Title: Re: Creation of Shemsu-Ankh?
Post by: Khusisokar on September 30, 2010, 10:13:50 pm
Even if you are not planning on adding to your commitments, Retreat is an amazing experience.

In my own case, there wasn't ever much doubt about my taking that path, but it certainly isn't for everyone.  But there is so much going on at Retreat, the experiences can be very profound, moving, exciting & fun.

(And not even just those at the hotel or Tawy.  I am taking the memory of Raheri, myself & our lovely Finnish sister visiting the supermarket to my grave.  It still makes me giggle more than a year later and I expect it will should I reach 90.)
Title: Re: Creation of Shemsu-Ankh?
Post by: Taysatwesir on October 03, 2010, 07:47:20 pm
LOL I heard this joke before just don't remember when or where. :)
Title: Re: Creation of Shemsu-Ankh?
Post by: Taysatwesir on October 03, 2010, 07:55:55 pm
I have to truly trust the people I am committing too otherwise that just shows I'm not taking this seriously. I heard how Retreat can be very exciting however I could ever really afford one trip every few years so it might as well be special. ;)
Title: Re: Creation of Shemsu-Ankh?
Post by: Mesetibes on October 03, 2010, 10:30:47 pm
I will second that going to Tawy is an amazing experience. I didn't go for Weshem-ib or for Wep Ronpet, but it was still an amazing thing to experience.

~Maret
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