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[PUBLIC] Kemetic Orthodox Q&A / Re: Kemetic {Orthodoxy}?
« on: August 08, 2011, 01:15:12 pm »
Goodness, I'm sure I deserved that for asking questions. How else am I supposed to learn what this fairly obscure branch of neopaganism is really about?  I'm genuinely interested in the foundations of this faith because beliefs are not a minor point when one ascribes to a religion. Perhaps we don't agree on some things, that is not a debate or a competition, just an opportunity to share your own point of view in order to assess your choices. I'd wager this group would be content to have me go my own way so that everyone could just agree and pat each others back, but what kind of life is that?  Unquestioned but confident. I am not judging your beliefs or even telling you that your wrong, but in return I've received your anger. Yes, you must be right. Blessed be to all you kings and queens of Netjer.

[PUBLIC] Kemetic Orthodox Q&A / Re: Kemetic {Orthodoxy}?
« on: August 07, 2011, 11:32:17 pm »
Thanks for the ideas, there was some mixed opinions on whether this is a reconstructed belief system contrasted with a system that simply incorporated the ancient Egyptian gods. Both seem like fine ways fir going about things but I'd be interested to see if I've misunderstood something further. Also, since we are now talking about a post-Aten period I'd also be interested in hearing if that too is something you include within your beliefs, or if you instead view it as heretical.

[PUBLIC] Kemetic Orthodox Q&A / Re: Kemetic {Orthodoxy}?
« on: August 07, 2011, 05:20:49 pm »
The religious tradition of Egypt was a conglomerate of people worshipping many local patron gods...they didn't agree with each other as can be seen from the various creation myths, but they still coexisted and even unified despite that.  With so many independent cult systems how can it be considered to be mutually agreed upon?  Yes, I've read the description that explains this group's formation. Egyptian religion traces across a considerable amount of time, from which various deities acted as the dominant patron. Is there a specific period or set of beliefs or patron god from which you all consider orthodox beliefs?  the way I see it, the two words combined are an oxymoron.

[PUBLIC] Netjer (Our Gods & Goddesses) / Re: Offerings to Hethert
« on: August 07, 2011, 04:37:33 pm »
Yes, I agree with that. If you look at the symbolism that was associated with each of these forms they are quite similar and the lion is one of those recurring symbols.

[PUBLIC] Netjer (Our Gods & Goddesses) / Re: Offerings to Hethert
« on: August 07, 2011, 03:01:55 pm »
I'm not familiar with your use of "nothing but" in the context of this appears you think I'm narrowing her view, but that is not true. I bring up these previous goddesses in hope that the darkness of their mythology might show that there is great pain in her past. This unresolved anger, to silly old me, seems like an appropriate channel that could explain the destruction of mankind. It's fine if you don't agree, I've been wrong before, and I certainly won't cry about it.

[PUBLIC] Kemetic Orthodox Q&A / Kemetic {Orthodoxy}?
« on: August 07, 2011, 01:27:17 am »
Can someone explain how 'orthodox' came to be associated with kemeticism?  The two seem wildly out of place together.  From it's Greek origination:
orthos - true, straight, right
dokew - thinking, belief
In English it carries a tone of customary or widely accepted beliefs and is only used in monotheistic terms.  Since kemeticism is a reconstructed system, we are not really discussing one religion, but various interpretations from the fragments that survive from various cults across a broad reach of time. Further, how can people agree that these surviving pieces include orthodox beliefs?  Lastly, what is orthodox about reconstructing a belief system that is all but forgotten by most people!
When Egyptian cults were first formed, they were independent from each other - many faiths existed side-by-side without significant infighting.  As time went on, these nomes combined and so too did the gods with which they were associated. Then a religion formed out of this.... but even then it shifted quite a bit as time marched on.  In what period do we consider kemeticism to be orthodox?

[PUBLIC] Netjer (Our Gods & Goddesses) / Re: Offerings to Hethert
« on: August 06, 2011, 06:51:02 pm »
Yes, I'm aware that this is not the conventional understanding, by all means go on believing as you do. The gods are able to see through ones intentions, not to mention defend themselves. I must admit that it concerns me how confidently you speak on behalf of larger beings, who's worship varied considerably across a longer period of time than the human mind can truly consider. Instead, we refer to a seemingly current deity named Hathor, but this resolves nothing from her previous incarnations of Inanna or Ishtar. The facts in Egyptian mythology are that all god forms are dual and balance each other out, however, I'm not aware of any corresponding negatives within her specific archetype. It is customary for Egyptian myths to propagandize their patron gods leaving out the details that might bring about shame or sadness for the sake of preserving conventional worship. I hope this clarifies my previous comments, and no my theories are not built upon google results.

[PUBLIC] Netjer (Our Gods & Goddesses) / Re: Offerings to Hethert
« on: August 06, 2011, 04:02:10 pm »
Turquoise, cypress, copper, sweet cakes, honey and milk, are just a few that come to mind. Id be weary of making beer offerings: I believe the myth of man's destruction which has been attributes to sekhemet was actually Hathor, so the beer offering might invoke memories of past mistakes.

[PUBLIC] Welcome! / Re: Howdy
« on: August 06, 2011, 03:56:03 pm »
Yes, it's been quite difficult to do them at the same time, so I've been focusing on the Greek since it's required to graduate. Luckily though the alphabets are entirely different, so no I don't mix them up. I took a little bit of Latin as well, but the older alphabets are so much more interesting. Thanks for the warm welcome.

[PUBLIC] Welcome! / Howdy
« on: August 06, 2011, 02:54:44 pm »
I'm new to this group, but not so new to Egyptian history or reconstruction based religion. My x and I ran a tarot an astrology shop for several years when I was living in the Midwest that was based on the Greek oracle system. Currently, I'm in school majoring in classics, with an Egyptian history focus. I am lucky to have access to Richard Wilkinson at my school..he's published many great books on the subject. I'd definitely recommend his books, for what it's worth. Im currently learning attic greek language And alread have the coursework to learn hieroglyphs.  Anyways, I've never been a fan of organized religion so I've been happy to be a solitary practitioner for many years. I look forward to learning about you all.

[PUBLIC] Netjer (Our Gods & Goddesses) / Re: Sobek
« on: July 15, 2011, 03:30:15 pm »
Hotep Awetitu, I think Sobek has just came to me, at a point of extreme need. And after a disturbing phone late this evening, I sensed him with me again. I now suspect, that he just knows I need him. (more than I apparently realised)

I think your Father is pretty amazing, and I really appreciate the encouragment. I look foward to getting to know him.:-) Senebty.

[PUBLIC] Netjer (Our Gods & Goddesses) / Re: Sobek
« on: July 14, 2011, 11:02:09 pm »
Ohhhh wow, that's such an awesome dream. I believe, amongst many things other things, that oneness with the gods, is the ultimate goal. There's alot in your dream.....I'd be delighted to PM you and chat more about Sobek, as I'd like to learn more about him. I really don't know much about him, to be honest. I did a quick read, just moments ago, and it said that the crocodiles kept in temples, were decorated with jewels. That's how I saw him!!! (excited!)....As for the prophetic part. I never heard him speak. He was very crocodile-like in this dream. It was just, while I was patting him/scratching him, I saw the picture of where the matches were... It's like, while I was touching him, he send me this mental picture.....I also found a pic that looks just like he did in my dream, so I was really pleased, as I can't afford a new statue just yet, and thought I'd print off a pic instead. (I do that, until I can afford a new statue)......I actually DID have one brief contact with him, a few months ago. I'm going to sound mean here, but I saw him on a website and he looked especially ferocious, and his crown was massive, and I laughed because I thought his crown looked over the top. Well, my computer immediatey froze up, as soon as I laughed.(it doesn't usually, and no way could I get it to unfreeze.) I tried everything, and was apologizing to him at the same time. So, I had to turn the computer off. And he laughed and said "Who's laughing now.".....I've made it a point since then, never to disrespect a deity, and am appalled I did so. Especially a deity's crown....Lesson learned.....But I'd say I still didn't know him real well, so I'm delighted he is friendly towards me, after my faux pas.....Also, someone mentioned their children had a toy crocodile. So did mine!!! They had two crocodiles, and I remember them, clearly....My little boy and girl just loved them! I'm so glad now.

[PUBLIC] Netjer (Our Gods & Goddesses) / Re: Sobek
« on: July 14, 2011, 08:41:46 pm »
Yeah, it kind of gets more interesting. He came into my dreams last night, in his full crocodile form, after me making that offering last night. And I was not so keen on him that way. (scared of crocodiles) And it was definately not just any croc, as he had a crown on his head, and shiny adornments,and he was scurrying about on four legs looking for me. Actually, he seemed happy and enthusiastic. Everytime he saw me, he'd run towards me. It was me, that was less enthusiastic. ...And everywhere I went, he went...So, I went outside and hid in a favourite spot. But he went there, too. And someone said 'He's attracted there, because he senses your presence there, often."....So, I went somewhere else! And he followed me. Then someone knelt down, and showed me that he loves affection and won't hurt, and to just give him a scratch or a pat, around the back of his neck. (like you'd do, around the back of someones ears, if they were a cat)......Anyway, I'd put this down to just a fanciful dream, but a few days ago, I'd realised I was almost out of matches, for lighting my shrine candles. And was annoyed that I'd forgotten to buy any yesterday, when I went to the supermarket...But in my dream, while I was patting him, he showed me where I could find several boxes of matches, and when I went and looked there this morning, positive there were none there, but I'd look anyway, I tossed a whole pile of other stuff aside, they they were! Not A box of matches, but several....So yeah, I think it was really him...Er, I think he likes me, and I may have inherited a new friend who wants to pals around together....I've always thought of myself as mostly an Aset girl, hence Sobek was not even on my radar before this... So, er, this is all very new for me. I don't mean I don't like him. I do! He's really cool!I just hadn't thought of him being my new buddy, so to speak...Lol, I guess I'm just adjusting....(And I'd never want to hurt his feelings. He just seemed so keen!)

[PUBLIC] Netjer (Our Gods & Goddesses) / Re: Sobek
« on: July 14, 2011, 06:47:03 am »
Yes Dua Sobek!He's awesome. I gave him an offering of roast chicken, and though his presence was more subtle this time, I could sense he really liked it....If you ever feel you need protection, dragging a big croc around with you, is the way to go!

[PUBLIC] Netjer (Our Gods & Goddesses) / Sobek
« on: July 13, 2011, 06:13:31 pm »
I just wanted to thank everyone who was so kind and supportive to me recently, with the passing away of my Uncle Ray...I'd like to add a little story... I was also dreading the funeral, as it meant seeing my mother who does not speak to me. (she has a long history of being abusive to others and few friends)... I was postively dreading seeing her, and I was also assailed with horrific memories of my abusive childhood with her, and cried and became very fragile.....Anyway, I prayed earnestly about this.....When guess who appeared to me as my protective guardian to accompany to the funeral and stay with me afterwards....The last deity I would have thought of. This big grinning crocodile god, Sobek!!!...And he stayed with me persistently. I saw him repeatedly. And he not only protected me, he showed me how to be strong in myself. The first thing he did was mentally walked me through standing up for myself. So, I felt strong within myself. Had a strong sense of myself...And yeah, on the day, my mother snubbed me and after the funeral, the only time she spoke was to me some nasty dig at me.(which fell flat because positively no one listened, but just kept talking)..And it's weird, but it just didn't touch me. It was like being in this happy protective bubble where nothing touched me.(yes, I felt the saddness of the funeral, but not the behaviour of my mother)..I was scarcely aware of what she said...And Sobek appeared in the right hand corner of my vision, clear as day, grinning hugely, and said "Atta girl!"....So, I just wanted to thank everyone and also share that with you....It was my first experience with Sobek, and I think he is totally cool. And I just adore that big grin. Nothing fazes him....He helped me to be strong, and I never once felt alone.

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