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Em hotep everybody *henu*

Since years I've been interested in the creation of bread and beer the traditional way. In other words: How did my ancestors do it? How is it done without any industrialisation, how can I do it at home? Over the time I've been gathering information and experience about these things and over a year now I make my own bread. I've already had some kind of honey-brew-beer done, but it got a bit … forgotten, because I lagged enough input to get a clear idea how to proceed.

But that changed! Got some tests running already and am very curious what the results will be like.

My goal was to find an easy way to get these things done at home with very little money and very little effort. Wesir also pushed me a little to do this thread... and I figured I should do it in steps, post by post, because it would be waaay too much to post everything in a single novel of a starting post. So let us begin with the very basics. :)


This is a very interesting kind of yeast that is not really found anywhere in the stores novadays. Simply because this yeast is slow, it takes longer to grow and to make the bread-dough rise. It needs time. But this turns into an up for us! Because it needs time, it also doesn't mind if you forget it a day or two and you don't need to watch it permanently. Also: Once the sourdough is established, it can't go bad. Neither can the bread done with it. Like yeast it is a kind of mushroom-culture thingy. Rot is too. But sourdough is so strong that all other kinds of rot-bacteria can't manifest. In other words: The bread I make with it can't run to seeds, after weeks it's just dry but still edible.

To establish your own sourdough you need this:
- rye flour
- warm water (warm to the feel of your palm, more like 'lukewarm')

The flour needs to be finely grounded. I have no idea how it is done in different countries! In Germany, there's a number on the package, the higher the number the finer the flour. But, at the same time, higher is 'just' better, not ultimately necessary.

Now if you've gotten both, take 100g each and mix them into a bowl. Cover it with a towel.
Done. :)

Repeat each day for the first week, thus you'll have a sourdough of 1400g at the end. But before I got into numbers, here's what you need to take care of:
Smell the dough each day. As the name indicates, it is supposed to develop a sour odour. If it smells bad, like something rotting, that it does just that. Sadly it can happen. It's helpful to have a room temperature of above 20°C and no drafts (if that's the right word, no air blowing through the room that might cool the bowl).
It's a matter of luck in the end, but in most of the cases your sourdough should go well and develop a healthy brown colour. And remember: Once it's established, it can't go bad. You can actually dry the entire thing to store it for years, just put the dry crisps into water and, tada, new sourdough. :)

You need to make a bread from the sourdough after the week. Obviously because you've got three pounds of stuff in a bowl that needs feeding to grow even more! I'll thus get to the how-to-do-first-bread in a moment.
There are a few things left to mention. Once your dough is established you should keep an eye out how much of it you need. The idea is that from our 1400g of dough you take 1000g for a 2kg bread, and leave the 400g to feeding. Thus the culture gets stronger over time.

Because of the amount of dough you might want to use 50g of flour and water, starting the third day of your first week. Thus you'll have 900g at the end of the week, thus we'll take 500g for our first 1kg bread, which is a fairer size for a first-test bread. :)

If you ever have more dough than you need but don't want to bake, just remember to mix it once per day. Or skip it entirely for up to two days, but remember to add more water afterwards to become a decent consistency. (Doing this for a year now, I don't even measure it anymore, I just add flour and water as I feel right because I've developed an eye for what it is supposed to be like and likewise others who do this for so long will. It's pretty easy, honestly.

That also means that your first bread is going to suck. :P That's not because you're a bad baker, but because the sourdough hasn't developed any strength yet. It will nonetheless taste good, but the dough won't risely entirely, thus the bread will end up a bit tough. If it's hard to chew, break it into pieces and boil it in water together with salt, pepper, onions, garlic and some soup-herbs of your liking → tada, tastey breadsoup.

Your first bread.

I want to add here that the sourdough is fairly flexible. I've done quite a bit of bread meanwhile, ranging from spicey pepper-bread over herb-bread to sweet fruit-bread. But for now let's stick with the most basic of all basics from which all other recipes diverge.

500g sourdough
400g wheat flour
100ml warm water (like above)
2 pinch of salt

Mix all of this together in a bowl and cover with a towel.
- The dough is supposed to be nonesticky, but you might want to have something prepared to free your fingers off the dough while it is sticky. If the whole dough is mixed and doesn't stick to your hand: good! If it's still sticky: Add flour until it isn't anymore.
- on the other end: If the dough isn't wet enough to bind all the flour, add water, but very carefully! A sip of water can be enough. :)

Let the dough rise for 2 hours (later, when the dough is stronger, 1 hour is enough)

Prepare a baking pan by putting fat or oil on the surface, just enough to 'lubricate it'
- or -
have a baking tray prepared fat or baking paper.

Take your dough and kneed it thoroughly again. Put it into the baking pan or roll and shape it into a typical bread on the baking tray.

Add a towel and leave it to rise again for anther 2 hours (same as above, faster once the dough is stronger)

Now for the tricky part!

I prefer baking with air circulation.

Take the towel off your bread and wetten the surface with water.

Put a heat-proof bowl or cup of water into the oven

Put your bread in the oven

Put the heat to 230°C and bake it for 30 minutes.

After that, lower the heat to 200°C, open the oven for about a minute to let the stored heat out, close the oven and bake for another 10 minutes.

After that, lower the heat to 170°C, open the oven for about a minute to let the stored heat out, close the oven and bake for another 10 minutes.

Done! Take your bread out (careful, damn hot) and wetten the surface again. Let it cool for at least another hour, for the heat inside is still working on it.

Now it's ready to be eaten. :)

So far, so good.
I'll leave the thread like this for a while and want to see first if people are interested in this. If so, I'm glad to share more recipes. Also this is very important, because you need to know these two steps of making your own homemade bread to do the traditional beer I'm having here. But before that I need to wait what my experiments will turn out like. To tell you the least: They taste interestingly well! Just need to see which of these need the least amount of work in the long run. :)


edit 1.1 - added information about dough stickyness

Em Hotep Everyone!

I did not know any better place to post this, so I hope it's alright as it goes.

Long stroy short, I have some dice here and did not know much to do with it and while I listen to music Wepwawet joined me. And he taught me a fun little game!

It's basically Black Jack. For those who don't know, Black Jack is a card game, you start with two cards and add their value. Then you chose wether or not to draw another card, adding that value, in an attempt to get 21 points.

With dice, it's like that:

First you throw three dice. You add their value and keep it in mind. The dice with the highes value has to remain as it is, the two others are rolled again.
Add their value to the first. Again, the dice with the highest value has to remain and you through the last dice.
Add the value again. Since your goal is to reach 21, you can use those dice that were left behind before to add to your total.
Score works as follows:
19 = 1 point
20 = 2 points
21 = 3 points
all above or below is nothing.

Because my explaination is crap, I'll have an example.

First I through three dice
5 2 2
First sum: 9

the dice showing 5 remains, the other two are thrown anew.

5 1
Second sum: 6
total: 15

again the highes value is 5, this dice remains, the last dice is thrown anew.

total: 17

17 is too low to make a score, but I could add the values from the two dice that remained during the game. Sadly, both of them have a five, which would give me a 22, which is too high to score.

It's a game of luck, but because you have a way to make scores you can play it with others as well. I enjoy it, also because you train your brain a little with all the adding and remembering of numbers. And, most of all, you just need three dice! Maybe pen and paper, if you like. Works perfectly for trabeling.

I really hope you enjoy the game as well. More importantly, I hope the game rules were comprehendable. ^^" Please, if anyone went through this and didn't understand it, tell me. I'd write a better instruction, including pictures and stuff, if necessary.


Edit: If you have more than one dice of the highest value, you need to save only one and can use the other(s) for the next throw. :)
Second Edit: If you reach 21 after the second throw, the game is already won and you do not need to continue rolling.

[PUBLIC] Kemetic Orthodox Q&A / Work Shrine
« on: February 15, 2014, 02:47:15 pm »
Em Hotep

The matter ahead is something nagging my mind since November. It took time to get everything sorted out and find a true string of thought behind that all - and I originally planned to wait till the beginning of classes, which are due over time.

I am aware of the practice of Senut, where cleansing is well required. The Senut is a different matter, though. What I would need is a few ideas or concepts to keep a shrine close to work, the place where you are anything but clean - unless it's all office-work. During work I enjoy to take a break and usually during those breaks it draws me to my shrine, to light a candle, some incense and just sit there a moment with Yinepu, sharing my tea or bread for a moment of recollection and advice.

It is especially the part of cleansing getting in the way. During these sessions or simply while at work there is no time to get cleaned appropriately. Still I've learned so far it is very important to not ... 'offend' the names, right?

I hope I made my point with this. ^^" Any ideas?



Edit: why there is always one typo you find only after posting...

[PUBLIC] Netjer (Our Gods & Goddesses) / Music for Netjer
« on: December 18, 2013, 09:06:38 am »
Em hotep everybody, and:
"Music! By the names of Netjer, let there be music!"

The thought is simple after I've seen all the different things you can offer and do to please the gods, among other things I saw things like dance and song.

Also, I'm a little inspired by the couch potatoe netjer thread, though I think there might be a more real component.

Could it be that some names prefere certain kinds of music? If so, which Name would be please with which kind of music? Moderndays we've got quite a pool of music to offer, so I thought it might make a nice additional cathegorie among items, scents and flower, etc. ^^

I would do some suggestions, but I do not dare since I am new and haven't even attained to the beginners class yet. Happy to read of your thoughts. :)


Em hotep everybody,

I've been pondering of the how and where to formulate this thread and I am still uncertain. I hope this is the right place, since it's the concept of Ma'at that I want to follow and understand in this situation.

There is this person who doesn't take care of his health, work or cleanness. Because of a shared flat arrangement I can't just ignore him, he's living next door but we share the same kitchen and living room. If I had had any other option I would have avoided living here, but I hadn't. He is a person who completely gave himself up, he has health issues he doesn't take care of, he isn't employed and enjoys living of little wellfare. But at the same time he's wasting his money nonestop, losing it all during the first weeks each month for overexpenive food, movies and games. He's creating debts with everyone he knows (just not me, because I don't see how it helps him to pay for his faults). At the moment it works well for him, but it doesn't take much to see that this can't end well if he continues. And on the other hand, I have to do his dishes and clean after him because else the kitchen couldn't be used for anything.

All who know him longer than me have givin up on him long ago. He's already hurt many of his best friends. He's leaving the flat in a few months, I could simply ignore it, at least try to. But at this point I don't want to ask any god for patience, because it feels wrong. I want to help, but how to help a person who - by his own words! - enjoys living in that state.
Even if there is no way I could help, I have to clean up behind him every day if I want to cook something myself. And he has a way to get me angry, especially if I wake up in the morning and first thing I've gotta do is clean up his midnight mess, but I don't want to yell at him. I have a habbit to avoid talking to people when I get angry, anyway.

To be honest, he get's me angry because he's hurting some of my dearest friends. He doesn't do it on purpose, he's doing it with his carelessness. In his eyes though everything is perfectly harmonic and peacefull, he'd never notice what he's doing to others. I don't know what to tell a person that doesn't know he's doing wrongs and I don't know why to talk to him if I know well enough by now it's pointless.

I don't see how I can keep my balance in this situation, everything I tryed feels wrong or leaves me restless. I hope to find some ideas here.

Thank you, senebty,

Em Hotep.

I had many thoughts and ideas during the last days, through which I learned many things since I am just a beginner to all there is about the house of Netjer and the Kemetic Orthodoxy. Tanebet encouraged me often to pose my questions, and so I finally decided for one to give it a try, but there are many more. ^^”
And what I'm going to write here is just a thesis, just a thought, nothing full-out serious in terms of “it has to be done” or anything like that. :)

As mentioned in the title I think about the resurrection of the ancient Egyptian language. Like Latin it's a dead language since long and the hieroglyphs still have their riddles and secrets for the archaeologists. But I learned by now that we have many texts that we can read, we have an idea about how to pronounce words and especially the purifications give us an idea of grammar.
There is the counter part that we have only the written language to guide us, and we can't tell for sure it follows the same rules as the spoken language of ancient Egypt. But we have a pretty good idea of how it >might< have worked. There is plenty of information towards how words were constructed and pronounced, one could reconstruct how new terms were formed so authentic words could be created for modern things like cars and computers.

There are of course many more problems to it. The texts we have origin from a time span of about 4000 years, wherein the language had changes while it was still alive. But my idea isn't of recreating exactly the language of old. There is a language that was created solely on the thought of most easy to understand grammar and meanwhile it's considered alive because it is in use on a daily basis.
I think there would be a good chance to create a new language as well, based on what we know of the ancient Egyptian language. If several people were to use this new language these people together would soon find problems and solutions for many situations, thanks to the concept of Collective Intelligence.

The thing is: If there was a group of people starting to speak the language and by that filling the gaps history can't provide any more, there would actually be a high chance that this new language on its own finds the secrets which texts alone can't tell today.

I hope my explanation is understandable and not too weird. To be honest: I'm greatly inspired by the concept of resurrection I can see everyday when Ra rises in the east. And what little I have learned from my linguistic studies is enough to tell me: The language could have the same chance. Why not try to give it?


[PUBLIC] Welcome! / New and uninformed
« on: November 24, 2013, 06:04:31 am »
Em Hotep everyone,

With this post I'd like to give a breif introduction of myself. I am from Germany and all I 'know' of the kemetic orthodox faith is what I got from google and a few books.
I felt in touch with this faith long before I had ever heard of its name or background. It just occured to me at some point, because I began looking through various religions and mythologies at a young age, actually feeling I need "something to believe in", if I might put it that way.

I came here because I need a bit more guidance. My knowledge is but a patchwork of things I found and learned over time. I read the book "Religion and ritual in ancient egypt", and tryed to use as much of the information I got from it as possible, so now I got my selfmade shrine with a little statue, incense and everything I could think of, providing offerings to the gods.

That's all I could think of telling at the moment, in a nutshell. As I mentioned I hope for a little guiding as for where I can recieve more information and learn about this faith, for I expect there are no classes or temples to find anywhere in Germany.


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