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Amunraembia~~
Joseph Campbell's complete series of talks with Bill Moyers is one everyone on this forum should see. Campbell was the premier folklorist on the planet & his passing was saddening. His works are alive & well & can be seen on YouTube. "The Power of Myth & The Hero's Journey" are as fascinating today as when it first came out more than +30-years ago. I highly recommend it to all, though there's a lot of hurdles finding the original video on YouTube. I have the 6-part set on DVD. Fantastic gift.
Best

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Many excellent authors / Egyptologists have written much re this text. It opens with an account by the man-servant of the sovereign, actually the "faithful servant." Servant, in this case, being the exact root of "follower & followers." So the text, interestingly, is second person.
Not that the above takes away from your interesting perspective. Life is a journey, not a destination, which the story is fairly clear about. There are many "layers of the onion" within this story. Though, as a construct of many religious stories, the "Hero's Journey" aspect (see Joseph Campbell's works), is quite common. I believe the takeaway is right in the forefront.

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Horus, "Heru / Hor" in ancient Egyptian (the lofty one & the healer) is a purely Egyptian Deity. Effigies of him go back to Year Zero in the pharaonic record. Early Dynasty kings started using his name in their title & it eventually became a royal tradition.
In Greek he is called out as "Horus" but, they transferred his attributes to their own version of him, "Hermes," the healer.

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Greetings Saqdiheru~~
You've made an interesting comment about the use of the calendar. If it was actually used as a device it would, almost certainly, have been used by the priesthood (Dr. Sarah Symons, McMaster U, 2020), by the "Seers" in the temples. So, adhering to just one would be an enormous mistake...Cleo's included. Additionally, your comment that the days change is also VERY accurate. The main body of calendars the ancients left behind are on coffin lids from Asyut (only 21), the ceiling at the Ramesseum, KV-9's ceiling & the tomb of Senenmut. We have a good understanding of how the "charts" (grids) on each worked & the errors that would have made most star clusters (constellations) move out of alignment after only 40-years. Maybe the Asyut group was the first astronomy society! :D
Our knowledge of the calendar & how it might have been used is still in its infancy. However, Neugebauer & Parker are still the definitive authors on the subject. Thank you for pointing out the inaccuracies of this, still unknown, but beautiful system.

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Greetings Ma'en~~
While I haven't listened to the podcasts you've discovered (they sound fun), I'm scratching my head a bit about your comment regarding the Narmer Palette. Are you stating that the palette itself is describing a myth? While part of the "main find" at Hierakonoplis, it is recognized as (most likely) the oldest historical record from ancient Khemet, perhaps even the entire world. Narmer, or "wild catfish" as his name describes, is part of the "Year Zero" kings now known to have lived prior to the initially labelled Pharaonic dynasties. "King Scorpion" also belongs to this group. Egyptologists have associated him with the more mythical "Menes" but have not discounted him as an actual ruler. The events on the Palette have also been described in great detail. The most recent being at the annual ARCE meeting just last month.
If you have any thoughts or clarifications on the subject I would be eager to hear them. Perhaps it's just a misunderstanding on my part.
Blessings

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[PUBLIC] Kemetic Orthodox Q&A / Re: Netjer and Astrology
« on: May 11, 2020, 06:22:40 pm »
I spoke with Dr. Symons at McMasters Univ. She's a world leading authority on the entire subject. Her university doesn't have a complete set and she tried to get Brown to put a copy online for researchers and scholars to no avail. So, if you can ever find a copy of Neugebauer's "Egyptian Astronomical Texts" at a reasonable price (say $1,000 - still out of reach for most) buy it! it's the singular most comprehensive work ever dedicated to the whole of ancient Egyptian astronomy. I've only read EATs once, years back.... and I have over 4,000 books in my library. So I advise with a bit of experience.
Good luck!

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[PUBLIC] Kemetic Orthodox Q&A / Re: Netjer and Astrology
« on: May 07, 2020, 11:20:31 pm »
Greetings~~ As an FYI, the ancients did not practice astrology in the modern sense. However, they DID have certain divinities directly linked to astrological phenomenon, specifically names of stars & constellations & the neteru that occupy them seasonally. The book series "Egyptian Astronomical Texts" (4-vols) by Neugebaurer & Parker by Brown Publishing is the definitive work on the subject, being constantly referenced by scholars today. It is explicit in how to use the astronomical ceilings & devices the ancients left behind.
Unfortunately, obtaining a copy is expensive (about $4,000 US) & not available on the web. Even many of the best Egyptology schools don't have a copy. Imagine that!! So the study of this extensive subject is privy to a select few in the Egyptology world.

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Friend Gezausenu~~
I was merely pointing out the historical aspect vs. contemporary views. I happen to believe (& so do anthropologists) that we humans have a propensity to make "our mark" on just about everything. We are all 'wired' for art in all its forms whether palatable to modern experts or not. Our species has been doodling almost as long as our existence here.
My experiences in the 'Black Land' have provided the views of my previous post, more as cautionary when we use the term 'Art.' Art is everywhere & everyone experiences it differently.
My reference to pottery was more contemporary. All the clayware vessels of any culture fall into a category all their own, that hopefully, most folks can observe & quantify. The craftsmanship involved is extensive yet potters never received the praise due them for millennia.
The initial post was regarding a title regarding art.  That title never existed. It certainly doesn't mean, though, that we humans don't have a sense of aesthetic! Keep 'doodling☺!'

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I've run my hands over those 1000's of sherds. Sifted them & cleaned them. I'd be cautious not to confuse "doodles" (perhaps a way to convey ideas) with "official [sanctioned]" art (a cultural phenomenon). Two very different approaches.
Some items of utility, specifically amphora & clay wares, might fall into the category of contemporary art in today's modern sense. The "lowly potter" may have had a unique sense of aesthetic in shape, color, texture, proportion, decoration (as Petrie referred to it) that transcends the ages. So a much better case for such folks!

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The ancient Egyptians didn't create art for art's sake. The word doesn't even exist in the language because creations by mankind already had the divine inherently in them. It can be seen that Ptah, the patron deity of craftsmen, still has Semitic roots in modern Hebrew such as pathak & patzak "to carve," etc., but still no mention of "ART." "Deity of Art" is a completely modern fabrication.
The closest words in the ancient language refer to "Good Things," nfrt(w) describing actual goods (Story of the Eloquent Peasant & The Shipwrecked Sailor, also Sethe's Urkunden der 18. Dynastie from the root nfr "good/beautiful")
So the choice to make a title a title, or create because you feel like creating out of fondness for a deity, is your own (perhaps divinely inspired ;) ).

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That's a fascinating group of topics, Kaemwaset!  And being in Tucson, it isn't even that far from Yuma.  But....  So close, yet so far!

If you are going, have a wonderful time!

Senebty!
Neheh...

Thanks for the well wishes. My 'boss' is a top presenter there. It's a bit pricey for non-members, but the wealth of knowledge is truly amazing.

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For those interested in the latest in active Egyptology, the American Research Center in Egypt (ARCE) 2018 annual meeting is in Tuscon, AZ this year, April 20-22. It’s the largest gathering of the world’s Egytptologists. The itinerary of topics & schedule to be presented is at the following link: https://www.arce.org/sites/default/files/documents/AM%20Session%20Schedule/Session%20Schedule%20AM%2018.pdf

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If you live in Egypt, the American University in Cairo is the place to go. They have great courses there (our mission "Mudira" teaches there) + you'll have access to all the best libraries, the National Archives & Chicago House in Luxor.

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The University in Budapest offers classes, both undergrad & graduate courses, in Egyptology. Don't know your location but you could contact them about language classes online. Manchester University offers an undergrad degree online, so perhaps Budapest has something similar? It's always best to be AT a university since the libraries there are superior to anything available online.
Allen's book is excellent but so are many others. He still recognizes Gardiner's Egyptian Grammar as a great resource (+ it's inexpensive)
Good luck! :)

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“Ḥtp” is “be pleased, happy, (at) peace” & other related meanings. Perhaps “ršwt” & its derivatives ršršt “joy” would suit you better. The “t” ending is a feminine suffix. If you placed the female determinative after it, I think that would solve your conundrum.. However, to create a name, of sorts, Sbk- ršwt-tn “This IS the joy of Sobek” may be better. Sobek-reshuten makes good grammatical sense as “tn” is the feminine suffix of “this” to its noun (sḏm-f form). It looks a lot better in glyphs  :)

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