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Greetings Saqdiheru~~
You've made an interesting comment about the use of the calendar. If it was actually used as a device it would, almost certainly, have been used by the priesthood (Dr. Sarah Symons, McMaster U, 2020), by the "Seers" in the temples. So, adhering to just one would be an enormous mistake...Cleo's included. Additionally, your comment that the days change is also VERY accurate. The main body of calendars the ancients left behind are on coffin lids from Asyut (only 21), the ceiling at the Ramesseum, KV-9's ceiling & the tomb of Senenmut. We have a good understanding of how the "charts" (grids) on each worked & the errors that would have made most star clusters (constellations) move out of alignment after only 40-years. Maybe the Asyut group was the first astronomy society! :D
Our knowledge of the calendar & how it might have been used is still in its infancy. However, Neugebauer & Parker are still the definitive authors on the subject. Thank you for pointing out the inaccuracies of this, still unknown, but beautiful system.

Greetings Ma'en~~
While I haven't listened to the podcasts you've discovered (they sound fun), I'm scratching my head a bit about your comment regarding the Narmer Palette. Are you stating that the palette itself is describing a myth? While part of the "main find" at Hierakonoplis, it is recognized as (most likely) the oldest historical record from ancient Khemet, perhaps even the entire world. Narmer, or "wild catfish" as his name describes, is part of the "Year Zero" kings now known to have lived prior to the initially labelled Pharaonic dynasties. "King Scorpion" also belongs to this group. Egyptologists have associated him with the more mythical "Menes" but have not discounted him as an actual ruler. The events on the Palette have also been described in great detail. The most recent being at the annual ARCE meeting just last month.
If you have any thoughts or clarifications on the subject I would be eager to hear them. Perhaps it's just a misunderstanding on my part.

[PUBLIC] Kemetic Orthodox Q&A / Re: Netjer and Astrology
« on: May 11, 2020, 06:22:40 pm »
I spoke with Dr. Symons at McMasters Univ. She's a world leading authority on the entire subject. Her university doesn't have a complete set and she tried to get Brown to put a copy online for researchers and scholars to no avail. So, if you can ever find a copy of Neugebauer's "Egyptian Astronomical Texts" at a reasonable price (say $1,000 - still out of reach for most) buy it! it's the singular most comprehensive work ever dedicated to the whole of ancient Egyptian astronomy. I've only read EATs once, years back.... and I have over 4,000 books in my library. So I advise with a bit of experience.
Good luck!

[PUBLIC] Kemetic Orthodox Q&A / Re: Netjer and Astrology
« on: May 07, 2020, 11:20:31 pm »
Greetings~~ As an FYI, the ancients did not practice astrology in the modern sense. However, they DID have certain divinities directly linked to astrological phenomenon, specifically names of stars & constellations & the neteru that occupy them seasonally. The book series "Egyptian Astronomical Texts" (4-vols) by Neugebaurer & Parker by Brown Publishing is the definitive work on the subject, being constantly referenced by scholars today. It is explicit in how to use the astronomical ceilings & devices the ancients left behind.
Unfortunately, obtaining a copy is expensive (about $4,000 US) & not available on the web. Even many of the best Egyptology schools don't have a copy. Imagine that!! So the study of this extensive subject is privy to a select few in the Egyptology world.

Friend Gezausenu~~
I was merely pointing out the historical aspect vs. contemporary views. I happen to believe (& so do anthropologists) that we humans have a propensity to make "our mark" on just about everything. We are all 'wired' for art in all its forms whether palatable to modern experts or not. Our species has been doodling almost as long as our existence here.
My experiences in the 'Black Land' have provided the views of my previous post, more as cautionary when we use the term 'Art.' Art is everywhere & everyone experiences it differently.
My reference to pottery was more contemporary. All the clayware vessels of any culture fall into a category all their own, that hopefully, most folks can observe & quantify. The craftsmanship involved is extensive yet potters never received the praise due them for millennia.
The initial post was regarding a title regarding art.  That title never existed. It certainly doesn't mean, though, that we humans don't have a sense of aesthetic! Keep 'doodling☺!'

I've run my hands over those 1000's of sherds. Sifted them & cleaned them. I'd be cautious not to confuse "doodles" (perhaps a way to convey ideas) with "official [sanctioned]" art (a cultural phenomenon). Two very different approaches.
Some items of utility, specifically amphora & clay wares, might fall into the category of contemporary art in today's modern sense. The "lowly potter" may have had a unique sense of aesthetic in shape, color, texture, proportion, decoration (as Petrie referred to it) that transcends the ages. So a much better case for such folks!

The ancient Egyptians didn't create art for art's sake. The word doesn't even exist in the language because creations by mankind already had the divine inherently in them. It can be seen that Ptah, the patron deity of craftsmen, still has Semitic roots in modern Hebrew such as pathak & patzak "to carve," etc., but still no mention of "ART." "Deity of Art" is a completely modern fabrication.
The closest words in the ancient language refer to "Good Things," nfrt(w) describing actual goods (Story of the Eloquent Peasant & The Shipwrecked Sailor, also Sethe's Urkunden der 18. Dynastie from the root nfr "good/beautiful")
So the choice to make a title a title, or create because you feel like creating out of fondness for a deity, is your own (perhaps divinely inspired ;) ).

That's a fascinating group of topics, Kaemwaset!  And being in Tucson, it isn't even that far from Yuma.  But....  So close, yet so far!

If you are going, have a wonderful time!


Thanks for the well wishes. My 'boss' is a top presenter there. It's a bit pricey for non-members, but the wealth of knowledge is truly amazing.

For those interested in the latest in active Egyptology, the American Research Center in Egypt (ARCE) 2018 annual meeting is in Tuscon, AZ this year, April 20-22. It’s the largest gathering of the world’s Egytptologists. The itinerary of topics & schedule to be presented is at the following link:

If you live in Egypt, the American University in Cairo is the place to go. They have great courses there (our mission "Mudira" teaches there) + you'll have access to all the best libraries, the National Archives & Chicago House in Luxor.

The University in Budapest offers classes, both undergrad & graduate courses, in Egyptology. Don't know your location but you could contact them about language classes online. Manchester University offers an undergrad degree online, so perhaps Budapest has something similar? It's always best to be AT a university since the libraries there are superior to anything available online.
Allen's book is excellent but so are many others. He still recognizes Gardiner's Egyptian Grammar as a great resource (+ it's inexpensive)
Good luck! :)

“Ḥtp” is “be pleased, happy, (at) peace” & other related meanings. Perhaps “ršwt” & its derivatives ršršt “joy” would suit you better. The “t” ending is a feminine suffix. If you placed the female determinative after it, I think that would solve your conundrum.. However, to create a name, of sorts, Sbk- ršwt-tn “This IS the joy of Sobek” may be better. Sobek-reshuten makes good grammatical sense as “tn” is the feminine suffix of “this” to its noun (sḏm-f form). It looks a lot better in glyphs  :)

I think everyone may be missing the point here. You will never see an image of the scales in a position other than balanced. BALANCE is key to universal Mc3t. The scales are a metaphor to that end. If you wanted to get technical look at spell 30. It literally asks the heart to not speak or LIE against the departed! Truth is a double-edged sword as can be seen in her twin images. From the time one is born, actions, thoughts & prayers are the measure of a person. The scales are simply a visualization of a person's place in the cosmos.

Hi there~

I can only answer the 1st question. Smr wcty “unique friend of the king” is a derivative of sm3 “associate” (Sethe’s Urkunden IV). BOTH are masculine nouns. No doubt sm “priest” shows a history of the word in the masculine. It depends on the determinatives. Smr is also “to inflict pain” by altering the suffix glyphs. Senemut’s title was indeed unique (Smr wcty being a special court title) … & so was Hatchepsut as a female ruler using masculine titulars!

Hope that helps :).

[PUBLIC] Netjer (Our Gods & Goddesses) / Re: Djrhuti and artwork
« on: December 06, 2017, 01:00:08 am »
Your question is whether Djehuti’s attributes encompass a sort of “patron deity,” when a spiritual artifact is created, the item being “written” into the cosmos. A marvelous query! While Djehuti is certainly the patron of scribes, Ptah is equally the patron deity of sculptors & craftsmen (see the Shabakka Stone & it’s creation myth). In fact, there are still remnants of Ptah in the Hebrew language with words like ‘patzakh’ (פתןח) = sculpture/engraving. To Quote Foy Scalf, “(The Egyptians) believed that language & writing were imbued with magical power & that reciting & recording such declarations would make the statements come true.” (KMT vol 28, no.4, winter 2017=18). The same concept holds true for physical objects that are ‘vessels’ for some spirt, particularly statues & figurative carvings. They all face forward so they can engage the devotee. How apropos to be ‘written into existence.’!!! :)

Since ‘art’ was always spiritual (no art for art’s sake), nothing was arbitrary. Paintings & sculpture followed a proportional system based on the cubit, which is based on man (27-digits, 7-palms). As Djehuti “measured out the cosmos” & held the divine cubit he is, in a sense, a part of the creation of spiritual objects in tandem with Ptah. Though some sculptors, especially some famous ones named ‘Djehuti’ from the Amarna period, seem to lean in the direction of our sacred ibis as an ‘enabler’ to those creating, rather than the known patron Ptah.

Hope this isn’t as confusing as it came out 😊!

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