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[PUBLIC] Kemetic Orthodox Q&A / Re: Eschatology in Ancient Egypt?
« on: May 09, 2019, 04:09:42 pm »
A rather long quote from Maat: The Moral Ideal In Ancient Egypt by Maulana Ndabezitha Karenga:

As Owens (1972:48) has pointed out in the Encyclopedia
of Philosophy, the concept of "End" (eschaton) in eschatology contains two possible meanings.
First, it can mean the end of each individual human life. Second, it can mean the end of the world-or more narrowly, of the human race. In the first, the individualistic, sense eschatology is an account of the destiny that awaits each person after death. In the second, the cosmic or social sense, it is a description of a goal (telos)in which history will be fulfilled. This goal may be of either this-worldly or an otherworldly kind.

Owen goes on to note that it is possible to have one doctrine of eschatology without the other. His example is Plato who believed in immortality of the soul and judgment after death but did not believe in a purpose or end of history.
Certainly, the ancient Egyptians had an eschatology in the personal sense of the word. As noted in Chapter III, it is they who introduced the idea of post-mortem judgment to the world, including to Judaism and Christianity (Griffiths,
1991; Brandon, 1967) . So in Owen's personal sense of eschatology as "an account of the destiny that awaits each person after death," Kemetic eschatology of judgment, justification and immortality is the paradigmatic eschatology.

Moreover, there are a few texts which attest to  Kemetic eschatology of the second type, i.e., the cosmic sense of the world's end. The locus classicus of this conception is in the "Dialog between Atum and Osiris" in Chapter 175 of the Book of Coming Forth. The key passage in the text says:

And I (Atum, the Creator is speaking) will destroy all that I have created and the earth will return to the primordial water, the Flood, as it was. I will remain alone with Osiris after having changed into other forms . . . .

This is clearly an end-of-world conception and although it is rare and not a radical apocalypticism as in Zoroastrianism
or Christianity, it meets minimum criteria for an eschatological conception. Schott has made an important contribution to the collection of similar materials in his
article "Altagyptische Vorstellung vom Weltende" (1929).

[PUBLIC] Netjer (Our Gods & Goddesses) / Re: Epithets of the Names
« on: April 30, 2019, 11:53:44 am »
No invite needed, but the link is here:

[PUBLIC] Netjer (Our Gods & Goddesses) / Re: Sobek?
« on: April 05, 2019, 10:50:32 pm »
And from the same author:

Sobek of Shedet. The Crocodile God in the Fayyum in the Dynastic Period
Marco Zecchi

[PUBLIC] Welcome! / Re: Em hotep
« on: April 04, 2019, 11:40:10 am »

I'd willingly bang my head against it a few times if that meant that I could have a physical copy of a volume or two - might be able to see all the pages then  ;)

Curse you, Googlebooks! :D *mockrage fist shaking*  But, yeah, access to an actual copy without pages missing would be lovely. <3

[PUBLIC] Welcome! / Re: Share your story!
« on: April 04, 2019, 11:36:21 am »
Hmmmmm....without going into too much detail, basically They showed up. :D I'd had an on again off again fascination w. Ancient Egypt, but never really considered worshiping Them until recently. One day I was idly googling info on Bast, found info on the House, was intrigued, had a number of 'visions' starring Shu & Tefnut as Lions, Sekhmet running around w. strawberry jam(!) on her mouth, and a ball of light w. wings (twice). :D   
Currently I use 'Netjer' when I'm not speaking to anyone in particular (to address general 'Godness'), and specific Names I pray to are Khonsu and Renenutet (but not limited to Them).

[PUBLIC] Welcome! / Re: Em hotep
« on: March 29, 2019, 11:06:04 am »
Em hotep and welcome! Lots of people here who do the research thing, including banging their head against the LAGG LOL! (oh, wait, is that only me? ;D)

[PUBLIC] Kemetic Orthodox Q&A / Re: Eschatology in Ancient Egypt?
« on: March 26, 2019, 12:03:36 pm »
The only instance I know of is the following:

"In an important section of the Coffin Texts, the creator god Atum states that after millions of years of creation, he and Osiris would eventually return to 'one place', the undifferentiated condition prevailing before the creation of the world. This 'end of days' is more clearly described in the Book of the Dead within a dialog between Atum and Osiris. Within this conversation, Osiris mourns the fact that he will eventually be isolated in eternal darkness, while the god Atum comforts him by pointing out that he would join him so that just the two would survive when the world eventually reverts back to the primeval ocean from which all else arose. At this point, it is said that Atum and Osiris will take the form of serpents (symbolic of uniformed chaos) and there would be neither gods nor men to perceive them."

[PUBLIC] Prayer Requests / Re: Prayers for baby
« on: March 21, 2019, 10:37:55 am »
Nekhtet!!!!! <3

[PUBLIC] Welcome! / Re: New person ^.^
« on: March 13, 2019, 11:57:45 am »
Em hotep and welcome! <3

[PUBLIC] Welcome! / Re: Hello! <waves>
« on: March 11, 2019, 11:43:08 am »
Em hotep and welcome! I just finished the last beginners class. :)

[PUBLIC] Welcome! / Re: Em hotep! Kaede Ennead here!
« on: March 11, 2019, 11:41:53 am »
Em hotep and welcome! Tutankhamun's tomb was a favourite for me when I was growing up, too. :)

[PUBLIC] Welcome! / Re: Another Newcomer
« on: March 04, 2019, 12:00:53 pm »
Em hotep and welcome! :D

I've been a little hesitant to respond to this thread because I have not had my RPD done, but there is one Name who I just can't help myself from calling "Mama".

Many of us were close to particular Netjer loooong before finding the House, so no worries on that score. Post away! <3

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