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Messages - Maen

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Greetings Ma'en~~
While I haven't listened to the podcasts you've discovered (they sound fun), I'm scratching my head a bit about your comment regarding the Narmer Palette. Are you stating that the palette itself is describing a myth? While part of the "main find" at Hierakonoplis, it is recognized as (most likely) the oldest historical record from ancient Khemet, perhaps even the entire world. Narmer, or "wild catfish" as his name describes, is part of the "Year Zero" kings now known to have lived prior to the initially labelled Pharaonic dynasties. "King Scorpion" also belongs to this group. Egyptologists have associated him with the more mythical "Menes" but have not discounted him as an actual ruler. The events on the Palette have also been described in great detail. The most recent being at the annual ARCE meeting just last month.
If you have any thoughts or clarifications on the subject I would be eager to hear them. Perhaps it's just a misunderstanding on my part.
Blessings

Yes, sorry about that... I should have worded that differently. I just meant to say that the Narmer palette is often styled to be the one and only event of founding the Egyptian state - "Here is how the Upper Egyptian King conquered Lower Egypt and founded the Egyptian Dynastic state."  And well, history tends to be a little more ambiguous and complex than that...
I did not mean to deny that Narmer was an actual ruler, or that the Narmer Palette is an important historical document. It's just that the story at the start of the Podcast was describing the mace scene like an actual literal event.
But thank you for making me aware of the ARCE proceedings, I did not know about that and I totally need to check it out!


senebty

Ma'en

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em hotep all,

I just wanted do recommend a podcast I've been listening to a lot in the last few weeks:

The Egyptian History Podcast by Dominic Perry

It tells the History of Egypt from the Early Dynastic times onward and is currently in the 19th dynasty (I think... I haven't caught up to the latest episodes yet) It focuses on the political and royal history, but dedicates some episodes to other topics as well.

There's kind of a story to how I discovered the Podcast.
It went like this... I was doing random searches on my podcast app, checking if I could find anything interesting about Egypt... or at least something so bad that it would serve as entertainment. And I stumbled about that one.
I started the first Episode, and it started out with a narrator setting the scene, speaking about warriors in the hot sands of the desert, about a victorious chieftain raising his stone-capped mace to strike down his enemy... and I was like "Yeah, well, that's the scene from the Narmer Palette you're describing, but that's a legend, that's not historically accurate" - and I was just about ready to discard it on the "entertaining but useless"-pile.
But then the narrator was done with his dramatic story and calmly stated "this story is a lie. Or rather, it's a legend..." and then delved in the actual archaeological  record of of Egypt's Early Dynastic period.
From that point on, I was enthralled...

So, in short, I love it. It's not only well researched and on top of the current Egyptological findings, it's also very well presented.
At least, for me it's easy to follow and understand, but of course I have a lot of background knowledge already. It may be more challenging to take in, if all this information is new.

What I like most: Dominic Perry is very sensitive of the Kemetic language and world view. He frequently quotes ancient texts by word. He introduces monuments by their Egyptian names as well as those we know today. For example, he spoke about the Deir el-Bahari temple as "Djeser-Djeseru" all the time. He also addresses the Gods and Kings by translations of their actual titles. Every time a king dies he speaks about him "passing into the west" or "joining with Osiris". And he went through several Episodes on Hatshepsut, calling her "king" while addressing her with the female pronoun. 

So, if you like podcasts and want to brush up on your knowledge of Egyptian kings and politics, I recommend you check it out.


senebty

Ma'en

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[PUBLIC] Welcome! / Re: hey
« on: December 01, 2019, 03:33:07 pm »
I realized a few years ago I exclusively thought of the world through a Kemetic framework, so I committed to it.
(...)
Also, I once saw a statue of a funky dwarf-jackal jet-skiing on crocodiles. If anyone knows what's up with that, hit me up.

Em hotep and Welcome!

Yes, seeing the world through a Kemetic framework... I know that one.
 Sometimes people may look at you strange,  when you answer an either/or question with "both, naturally" once again...
But for me, it is the spiritual and ethical framework that finally made sense to both my brain and my heart.


Jet-skiing on crocodiles? Likes this one?
https://www.christies.com/img/LotImages/2016/CKS/2016_CKS_14490_0150_000(an_egyptian_bronze_pantheistic_deity_ptolemaic_period_circa_332-30_bc).jpg
The "Standing on crocodiles" is typical for cippi - magical statues for healing and protection. Usually it's Heru as a child, but there are variations showing Bes.
This is the first time I see a jackal- headed figure in this role, though

Senebty

Ma'en

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[PUBLIC] Netjer (Our Gods & Goddesses) / Re: Did Wepwawet have Wings?
« on: November 29, 2019, 05:14:36 pm »
xAx !   :D :D Yes, that's very fitting! The Opener of Ways, with Wings for extra swiftness!
Thank you for pointing this out, Sedjfai!

Could it be they chose the jackal determinative because "zab", jackal, can also mean "to wander"?
Or why else would they come up with this variation?
I checked, per Erman/Grapow, the earlier spellings of xAx only have the regular walking legs as determinative.


Senebty

Ma'en

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[PUBLIC] Netjer (Our Gods & Goddesses) / Re: Did Wepwawet have Wings?
« on: November 29, 2019, 01:19:14 pm »
em hotep,

possibly it's a griffin, not winged Wepwawet? Compare:
http://www.demonthings.com/chariot-griffins/


senebty

Ma'en

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[PUBLIC] Netjer (Our Gods & Goddesses) / Djehuty and the lunar Eclipse
« on: January 20, 2019, 02:17:46 pm »
em hotep,

I was rereading about what Nisut (AUS) commented on Eclipses, and I was also talking about Djehuty on a German discussion board. And I had some alternate thoughts on the lunar Eclipse. I was wondering if this makes any sense to you.

When we take the "vizier of Ra" story as the base. As in: When Ra drew back from the humans and had Nut lift him into the sky, he made Djehuty his vizier and vice king.
Therefore one can see the moon as the vizier of the sun. When the sun is away at night, the moon takes over and gives light and watches over us and is a guardian of Maat.

Now, astronomically, the moon is always in direct contact with the sun light. Even at New Moon the moon is being lit up by the sun, it's just that we cannot see it from the earth.
So, would it make sense to say that Djehuty is always "on duty"? As in, always in contact with his king and receiving sun light, always in the sky around the earth, always watching over and guarding Maat as Djehuty.
Also, reflecting light back to us and lighting up the night sky according to his phase.

The lunar eclipse, however, cuts the strings of this duty. Because what happens? - The moon enters into the shadow of the earth. For a few minutes, he is cut off from the sun.
Bad for Maat, and a dangerous moment, as it is outside of the regular rules and the established system.
BUT: Isn't Djehuty a trickster, too? One who sometimes ventures far from the light, since he seeks and gains access to hidden knowledge? One who is known to love mischief and who now and again bends the rules to suit his goals?

Cut off from the sun, he suddenly has this moment outside of duty, outside the system. Outside of time?
Instead, he is now in the shadow of Geb, the Earth. The oldest of the Kings, a God of a great fertility.
And on his other side, the dark depths of cosmos. Nun, containing all the potential of pre-creation.

So, could we consider that the lunar eclipse may not (just) be an attack on the Eye of Heru, but the well-laid plan of a master strategist? Gaining Djehuty a special moment away from his duty, and access to the vast creative and fertile powers of Geb and Nun...


So, anyway, I sure hope for a clear sky to see the eclipse tonight (or rather, in the early morning in Germany)

senebty,

Ma'en

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Cool stuff! I really like you ideas!

I did a charity thing on the solstice. The budget that usually goes into Christmas presents was donated to the Cairo Cycling Geckos:
https://egyptianstreets.com/2018/05/22/cairo-cycling-geckos-cycle-to-feed-the-poor-support-refugees/
I love this initiative. They promote women's rights, they promote cycling for health and environmental benefits, and  they help poor people and refugees - all in one project!

senebty

Ma'en


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[PUBLIC] Kemetic Orthodox Q&A / Re: About Wep Ronpet?
« on: December 24, 2018, 03:10:10 pm »
em hotep,

I thought about trying to write you a general overview, but actually, it's pretty easy to get some background info. There are already a number of very nice texts and articles available.
Just google "Wep Ronpet", or search it here on the boards, and you will come up with a lot of useful info.

I would also recommend that you check out these phrases:
- Epagomenal Days
- The "heliacal rising" of Sodpet/Sirius
- "zep tepi"
- The smashing of the red pots

This way you can study on your own and find out about the festival
If you still have more specific questions later, we will of course be happy to answer them!


senebty,

Ma'en

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[PUBLIC] God(dess) Finder: Image Identifier / Re: Male-nut?
« on: December 24, 2018, 02:24:31 pm »
em hotep Guga,

Thank you so much for the picture! :D :D And for the link!
It's really helpful that the British Museum has so much of its collection digitalized.

And you don't need to thank me, I found it totally by chance. My parents are here for a visit, and I was looking for possible activities. So the Museum of Antiquities in Leiden seemed like a good idea.
That they currently have an Egyptian special exhibition was just a bonus, and I really did not expect to find "our" papyrus there. We should rather thank Wepwawet for opening this way to us.


senebty

Ma'en

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[PUBLIC] God(dess) Finder: Image Identifier / Re: Male-nut?
« on: December 23, 2018, 04:48:16 pm »
Really cool stuff keeps happening to me ;D

That Image discussed in this thread: I saw it today, the original papyrus! :o :) :)
I visited the Rijksmuseum van de Oudheiden in Leiden, Netherlands today. They have a special exhibition about the Egyptian Gods at the momemt.
And guess what: there it was!!!! I totally did not expect that!

So of course I took notes:
The piece of papyrus in question belongs to the British Museum (they loaned it out to Leiden for the exhibition). Inventory EA10018,2 (tt 038).
Provenance: Thebes, third intermediate period.

...aaaaand: per the explanation given at the museum, the "Male Nut" is most likely a form of Wesir, and the pairing with Geb underneath Him might be a way of stressing the fertility and creative power of these two Gods


Senebty

Ma'en


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[PUBLIC] Kemetic Orthodox Q&A / Re: smoke cigarettes is against ma'at?
« on: December 23, 2018, 04:22:43 pm »
Em hotep!

My feeling would be: moderate, occasional smoking ist probably okay.

1. Harming others ist against Ma'at. So smoking around children would be especially bad, and smoking in places where other people are forced to breathe it in is not ok either

2. Self-harm is also not OK. It's disrespectful to your soul and to the Gods who made your body. Excessive smoking ist definitely harmful and therefore against Ma'at

3. However, we should enjoy life and it is totally ok to indulge sometimes. Drinking alcohol in moderation was fine in ancient Egypt, and I would see smoking in a similar way.

Ma'at is all about moderation. If, for  you, the joy of an occasional cigarette outweighs the risk to your health: go for it.

Just my personal opinion...


Senebty

Ma'en

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Em hotep😀

Please do not worry. Extensive knowledge of magical and ritual practice is not required, especially not for a beginner.
You can learn the basics as you go along, and time will show If you are to become a magician, diviner and/or a priest - only then more extensive studying would be needed

Senebty

Ma'en

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[PUBLIC] God(dess) Finder: Image Identifier / Re: Male-nut?
« on: November 27, 2018, 03:34:16 pm »
em hotep,

this is really an interesting depiction! I found a version where the glyphs around the figure are clearer, but I couldn't really read it all.
I'm not sure if the figure is Nut, however. It's identified as what I believe reads "wetjesu" - the "one raising up", and the title after this, which I could read clearly, is "Khontamenty" - foremost of the western ones, so that's usually a title of Wesir
Then there's a section about "Making the sky, making the earth, making the Duat, the great god" - but I'm not sure how to interprete the "making"... could be "the creator of", but I'm not sure about the grammar. It's all male forms, however.
And on top there are more titles that I don't understand in detail. Something about "Lord of the Hill" - the primeval mound Ben-ben, perhaps? And "vizier of the god, in the middle of Edfu"

Does anyone have a more professional translation?
Because so far it looks like a really interesting mix of titles that fit  both a creator god and a lord of the duat.
Of course, the "one who raises up" indeed sounds like a male version of Nut... very cool.

The one on the bottom, by the way, is Geb, Father of the Gods... those glyphs were pretty easy.
Just really interesting that he is shown in the act of masturbation, which you'd rather expect from Atum, in the act of creating Shu and Tefnut


senebty

Ma'en

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Em hotep Daisy,

I really know how you feel - I have only recently re-started with a regular Senut practice myself,
and my first few efforts I pretty much stumbled over sentences all the time and I was so clumsy that I almost dropped my offerings. It felt like Djehuty was raising a sceptical eyebrow.
But however  bad you mess it up - just come back and try to do better next time.

Rituals are about form and repetition, that's one of the basic definitions of "ritual".
Rituals help to focus and settle our human minds exactly because they are repetitive and familiar. However, they can only BECOME familiar if you start practising at some point...

So, just do it! You'll be fine  :)


senebty

Ma'en

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[PUBLIC] Kemetic Orthodox Q&A / Re: The number four
« on: August 27, 2018, 04:37:28 am »
em hotep,

First, let me state that I don't know any Egyptian text that explicitly talks about the symbolical meaning of numbers (though there might well be one?)
So what I write is inferred from the use of certain numbers in ancient texts, in certain contexts.
 And it is my personal interpretation, not an official statement of the HoN, and not something I can support with academic citations (I'd need to do way more research for that)

I believe the way to understand the meaning of the numbers 4 and 9 follows from understanding 2 and 3 first.

two - "senu"
The two is in itself a number of completion already.
It has its own grammatical form in the Egyptian language, the dual. (English has singular and plural only: it's "dog" or "dogs". Egyptian has "dog", "two-dogs", and "dogs")

I'm sure you have observed how the dualisms in Kemetic religion are not so much about opposites, but about complementary pairs.
Things that come in pairs are usually large, important, and/or "wholeness" of this thing
is being stressed. Prominent examples would be the Two Lands, the primordial pairs (Nun/Naunet etc), Nut&Geb, the Two Ladies, the two Ma'at, or even the two eternities (djed and neheh)

The concept of dualism to indicate wholeness is even deeply ingrained in the rhythm of speech. Read ancient hymns carefully, and you'll notice that many times, the same
basic statement is said two times in slightly different wording. Titles of Gods are also often given in pairs.


Now let's look at three
3 is the symbol for "many" - quite literally, since the hieroglyphic plural form is denoted by 3 strokes or by repeating a glyph 3 times. 3 means that things are diverse and come in great number and many variations.
So 2 is for complementary halves, that together form a whole, complete thing
3 is for plurality, for things that come in manyfold variation.
However, when talking about unimaginably great numbers, the Egyptians tend to use words
like "thousands" and "millions" - these are often things that get repeated many times, like offerings being repeated "a thousand times".
So, if 3 is the basic plural form, but "really great numbers" have their own, separate symbols, I would tend to see the "3-fold" mainly as a symbol of a manyness that is still
countable, like a group of people rather than the number of grains of sand in the desert.

And in this manyness, I would see the root of plurality and variation (but that is now very
much my personal interpretation)
The One is the creator - unified, but alone. The Two are the complementary halves, a balance, a partnership - they need each other to be complete. The Three are the branches, the children, they are still loosely connected as a group, but they now explore the possibilities of variation, each being again unique in some way.

And now lets look at the 4 and the 9.
Both are "superlatives", increased and exaggerated forms of their bases.
They are not used very often, but if found, the context usually suggests that the
more common "2" or "3" were considered to be "not quite enough".
3x3, the 9, is found when a " great multitude", a maximum of number and diversity is
to be expressed. So the Enneads, the 9-fold groups of Gods are in themselves a symbol
for a great number and variation. (again, however, remember that "infinite, uncountable numbers" are usually represented as "millions" rather than "9")

Now the four logically expresses an increased level of completion as being 2x2.
We often find the "four" in the context of purifications, and other Heka. It is used
when we feel that 2, the Dualism, is not enough.
The Gods are usually fine with a Duality - only rarely do they come in groups of four, such as the 4 primordial pairs (the primordial is incredibly vast, after all) or the four Sons of Heru (the Dead require a maximum level of protection)

But we humans often need to put a little extra effort in, try to cover all bases, in order to reach our goals.
So we tend to use the 4 in our spells, to increase on the concept of wholeness that is
already present in the dualism, and make it a true "completion"
If we did 2 purifications, we would imply that we a "all pure"
If we did 3 purifications, we would imply that we are pure "many times"
But by doing 4, we imply instead that we are pure "thoroughly and completely"


so that would be my interpretation...


senebty

Ma'en

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