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[PUBLIC] Kemetic Orthodox Q&A / Re: Multi-Faith and Multi-Practice
« on: May 16, 2012, 01:24:41 pm »
Quote from: Ekunyi

Do any of you have spiritual/mental practices that are not necessarily associated with a set religion per se, which you can incorporate into aspects of your religious life? Or have adapted in order to do so?

Entirely. I have a whole mass of things I do that aren't in any book or picked up from any particular temple or religious path. They're just things I sorta... started doing one day.

Meditation is kind of an example. I don't meditate in the normal sense. I don't sit down and clear my mind.. or anything like that. I dance to meditate. And I dance until I pretty much can't dance anymore. And then, I wait for things to come to me.

I have something that I call the Interior, which is a whole little 'world' inside of my brain (or somewhere not physical) that I work within and have also performed rituals inside of.

I'm not sure what that makes me. It's certainly not something I learned from anyone, and I dont' know if it falls under "Hedge" work. And I'm not really sure how common it is to do the things that I do- but I do them, because I feel compelled to. I don't consider myself 'official KO', so I don't really worry whether it falls under the branch of KO or not. FWIW, of course.


[PUBLIC] Kemetic Orthodox Q&A / Re: Multi-Faith and Multi-Practice
« on: May 14, 2012, 03:00:29 pm »
@Taji: Confused; you said, there's a section in Senut where you can freeform but it's not Senut?

You're mixing two things into one :P There is a section in Senut that is for personal whatevers.

Taji is also saying that freeform can be beautiful and all that- but if you're free forming it, it's not Senut.


[PUBLIC] Kemetic Orthodox Q&A / Re: Multi-Faith and Multi-Practice
« on: May 13, 2012, 04:38:57 pm »
Quote from: Sage_of_Yinepu
KO is incredibly new; if there's a lot of dogma of this-must-be-how-it's-done-every-time-ism going on and a keep-other-practices separate issue, I'm a little worried.

As a whole, KO is rather lax about 'what must be done'. In my experience, the only thing (outside of state rituals and priestly stuff, which I know next to nothing about) that is really 'set in stone' is Senut. And it's that way for heka purposes. Everything else is fairly personalized as per the practitioner.

Keeping practices separate isn't specifically a KO thing- there are lots of groups out there that keep their two pratices separate. Usually, this is out of respect for the deities and entities that you are working with. It's kinda like- When in Rome, do as the Romans. Kami have certain rituals and offerings that they like. It would be disrespectful to suddenyl decide I wanted to honor them differently (with, say, Senut). Conversely, it would be rather illogical and probably ill advised to suddenly put my Kemetic icons into a Kamidana. It just makes no sense.

While I think there can be a certain level of overlap btwn *some* faiths, generally speaking, I think it's better to keep the religious practices separate, because different cultures have different ways of doing things.


[PUBLIC] Netjer (Our Gods & Goddesses) / Re: Insight on Set
« on: May 10, 2012, 03:28:23 pm »
Set's birthday is in the middle of the days outside of the year- the 5 days before Wep Ronpet that Thoth won for Nut to have her kids. I believe the order is Osiris, Heru-wer, Set, Aset, and Nebhet. The day changes each year- like every holiday in the Kemetic calendar.

I still find it odd that Anpu would tell you that :P You'll have to let us know what he says when you ask him about it later.


[PUBLIC] Netjer (Our Gods & Goddesses) / Re: Insight on Set
« on: May 10, 2012, 09:52:02 am »
Quote from: SageOfYinepu

Has anyone else had anything like that happen?? He's always struck me as the "mean uncle" of the group of deities and every time I've interacted with Him, it's been extremely unpleasant for both of us.

I honestly find it very odd that Anpu would make you take a *vow* over it. Considering the two (Anubis and Set) have ties to one another, and can be very close in some mythologies. If he's telling you not to interact with him, I would imagine that it's due to Set's methods not being effective for you. However, things can change- and if Set has you in his 'sights', in my experience, he will make himself known- regardless of whatever it is that you think or feel. Sometimes, you just need a good fwapping (you generalized).

For me personally, Set isn't really a mean uncle. He's strict, he's stern. And honestly, I like that. Though, any deity can have the capacity to be strict adn stern- it just seems that Set is that way more often. He takes no crap, and he runs a tight ship.

As Ekunyi said above, sometimes corrosivness is important. Sometimes we need our outer layers stripped away so that we may shine brighter. And while that process may not always be pleasant, it rarely unwarranted.


[PUBLIC] Netjer (Our Gods & Goddesses) / Re: Odd UPG!!
« on: May 08, 2012, 09:22:54 am »
Quote from: Bezenwepwy

It's cool that that person wants to mint some coins, but I really musn't go visiting random dicussions about Wepwawet where misinformation prevails. Not good for my health. ;)

All praise Wolf-wa-wet!


[PUBLIC] Kemetic Orthodox Q&A / Re: "Cool Water", as an offering
« on: April 09, 2012, 02:29:26 pm »
I think it makes perfect sense. In AE, the most common offerings were (from my reading) water, beer and bread. So it makes sense that water would be something that is perfect to offer to the gods.

Sometimes less is more, as they say. Sometimes we don't need to spend all this extra money on offerings to the gods. Sometimes, the simplest solution is the best solution.


[PUBLIC] Netjer (Our Gods & Goddesses) / Re: prayers of prostration
« on: March 14, 2012, 05:27:23 pm »
This is what I have for Henu in one of my books:

"The culminating point in a sequence of ceremonial gestures which comprised the act of offering praise to a god. The "Recitation of the Glorifications," as this ritual was called, also carried the connotations of "jubilation" and "rejoicing". Careful analysis of OK tomb paintings has enables the reconstruction of the entire gesture sequence. First the worshipper knelt on one knee and extended one arm (with its hand held open) while holding the other arm (with closed fist) crooked back toward the body. As the recitation progressed the extended arm was drawn back and its hand closed. The worshipper then touched or struck his chest with alternating blows of his clenched fists. Different stages of this process are sometimes shown in the same representations - such as that from the Fourth or Fifth Dynasty mastaba of Heti at Giza. These scenes show that is was the final part of the ritual which is represented in the hend sign, with the hieroglyph serving as a kind of resume of the whole gesture sequence. "

And the pose looks like this:

So I don't see exactly how it's prostration? Wouldn't prostration involve laying yourself down onto the floor almost?


[PUBLIC] Netjer (Our Gods & Goddesses) / Re: Pagan Blog Project 2012
« on: March 14, 2012, 10:25:38 am »
Sobekemiti, I'm glad you changed your blog to WP, it will make it easier for me to follow now :)


I think it's also important to note that temples and priesthood was a lot bigger than just servicing the idol/statue of the god of the temple. There was land that needed to be worked, animals to be fed, linens to be woven... etc etc. I think we have a much narrower concept of what a 'priest' is now a days. I think proof of this can be seen by the volume of threads that have discussed this on KIN and TC.



You understood correctly what I said in reference to lay priests :) A lay priest "worked" partime in the temple and would hold another job often in a position in the state or local governments. The lay priests were especially common in small communities. In ancient Egypt, unlike today, people actually knew what their religion was about, knew the rituals and were serious about it.

I am glad you clarified, as you originally had said 'lay person', which would have an entirely different meaning.

I'm not sure that I'd agree that everyone knew what the religion was about in regards to ritual, as I feel that many of us have a romanticized view of the priesthood in AE, but I think that is neither here nor there.

Thank you for the clarification.


But, the everyday person was able to incorporate some of those into their daily practice. Let's not forget that even the simple lay person in ancient egypt had training, to some limited extent, in the temple and was called upon to perform rites in the temple; this usually worked on a 30 day rotation.

Define lay person? Are you saying that you believe that every person in AE was undertaking some kind of training within the temple? Or am I misreading you?


I second what Helms has suggested. Reidy's book is probably one of the better books out there for looking at how the ancients performed rituals. It's written in a way that it could easily be adapted to daily practice, which is also nice.


[PUBLIC] Kemetic Orthodox Q&A / Re: Instructions of Ankhsheshonq
« on: March 08, 2012, 11:38:20 am »
I also recommend Lichtheim's books. If you're lucky, you can sometimes find copies of them on scribd. There are a few literature books out there that contain translations of the wisdom texts, but Lichtheim's seems to be the most complete and accurate.


[PUBLIC] Netjer (Our Gods & Goddesses) / Re: Seasonal Netjeru?
« on: March 07, 2012, 08:34:59 am »
I've noticed that Set is most present for me in the summer. This is probably due to the outrageous heat and the summer storms that frequent my area. O is more active in the cooler months- fall, winter and spring. Outside of them, though, I can't say much about seasonality of the gods. I haven't really noticed for any other gods, because I Don't work with any others very closely.


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