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[PUBLIC] Welcome! / Re: Allo' there! I'm Andrea! :-D
« on: August 13, 2014, 09:44:28 am »
Em Hotep, Andrea!

I'm another tea-lover, right now there's "snow orchid" oolong tea in the mug!

Welcome to the boards!

Senebty,
Meresankh

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[PUBLIC] Welcome! / Re: *sneaks back in*
« on: August 06, 2014, 08:29:54 am »
Welcome back, Tenu!

I've been reading your blog for a few years now, and coming to know you (and about Kemetic Orthodoxy) via it, so it doesn't feel to me as though you've been away! :)

Much joy and continued creativity to you!

Meresankh

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[PUBLIC] Kemetic Orthodox Q&A / Re: Nine? parts of the soul
« on: August 03, 2014, 12:39:25 pm »
Em Hotep!

Quote from: Gleb
Oh my... I have just found this site: http://wysinger.homestead.com/ancientnumbers.html .
(1)  The Ka -the abstract personality of the individual to whom it belongs, Possessing the form and attributes of a human with power of movement omnipresence, and ability to receive nourishment. Equivalent to what we call the shadow image.

(3)  The Ba- the heart-soul, which lives in the Ka and sometimes beside it, to supply the Ka with food and air.  Capable of metamorphosis.

(8)  The Sekhem- the power or spirit of the vital force in humans. Lives in the heavens with the spirit of Khu.

Do you agree with it? Looks true, but I still have to comprehend it.


The concepts are complex, and Egyptologists don't agree on the definitions.  My understandings of them continue to shift and evolve.

I understand 'Ba' (represented by the human headed bird) to be our immortal selves.  I read somewhere here that it is "unconscious", and so many may not interact with it.  Perhaps through divination we may access our Ba's thoughts, (I find the 'automatic' writing useful to opening a portal).

I used to go by the Egyptologists Gordon and Schwab that say 'Ka' (represented by the arms and hands glyph) is 'vital life force', but I now think it is the personality of this life's incarnation.  In the afterlife I've heard the 'Akh' (effective spirit) comes into being when Ka joins with Ba (the 'bird' gets 'arms' and can act).  Perhaps this is how Heka can become effective, (one definition of 'Heka' I've seen is "to employ the Ka")?

So that leaves "Sekhem" for vital life force, but I think it needs to be here and now and in us, and not "in the heavens".

Always, ever my understandings are changing, but this is how I've seeing it now.

Senebty!

Meresankh

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[PUBLIC] Welcome! / Re: Lutan's introduction
« on: July 31, 2014, 08:14:55 am »
Em Hotep, Lutan!
Quote from: Lutan

I collect and work with minerals and crystals, amethyst, moss agate and sodalite being my favorites.
Senebty [/quote


I too have the interest in crystals, being lucky to have lived in Tucson for nine years, where they host the huge gem and mineral shows.  I also like amethyst, but am particularly partial to tourmaline.

The crystals show up in my sacred spaces, for they are little works of art by nature, and seem to enhance the space.

There's a favorite dark amethyst tucked in this little shrine to Netjer:

http://joanannlansberry.com/journal/pathmark/20140720.jpg

Oh, yes, and a red tourmaline, and a blue tourmaline and a fluorite! :)

Glad to meet you!  Happy journeys here to you.

Senebty,
Meresankh

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Em Hotep!
Quote from: PhoenixJRising
[quote
Ritual washing involves taking a bowl of water and praying over it, then
taking 10 grains of natron (five each for the two parts of the country,
symbolically), praying over them, combining the two and pouring the mixture
into the bath (or shower) before washing.
[/quote]

Not having yet attempted making the natron, perhaps this will be more apparent when dealing with the natron, but how big is a "grain"?  A pinch between the fingers or???

Meresankh

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[PUBLIC] Netjer (Our Gods & Goddesses) / Re: Mummified Gods
« on: June 17, 2014, 08:00:27 pm »
Em Hotep!

Quote from: Akins
What is the meaning of Gods who appear in a mummified state, such as Ptah or Sokar? What does that symbolize?


  (http://joanannlansberry.com/art/sketch13/ptah2b.jpg)

While I haven't read anything in the scholarly books, I may have an idea.  One of Ptah's titles is "Lord of Ma'at". 'Balance' is one of the aspects of Ma'at. I think the mummiform dress is to balance the attributes of Osiris with those of Set, as he (nearly) always is grasping the Was scepter.  Quite often, too, Ptah is depicted with falcon feathers:

See example from Tutankhamun's tomb:
http://joanannlansberry.com/art/hapythot/ptah-was.jpg

Here's another mummiform deity who also has the falcon feathers, but on his throne:

http://www.metmuseum.org/collection/the-collection-online/search/551312

This may suggest the balance of Set (Was scepter) with Heru (falcon feathers).

Note there is also the 'Sema tawy' unification of the two lands, Upper and Lower Egypt, on his throne.

Someone else may have scholarly quotes to either prove or disprove my educated guess! :)

Meresankh

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[PUBLIC] Netjer (Our Gods & Goddesses) / Re: Set's Animal
« on: June 13, 2014, 08:09:27 am »
Quote from: Devo
I still vote elephant fish :P

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/56/Campylomormyrus_curvirostris.jpg/800px-Campylomormyrus_curvirostris.jpg

-Devo  


That's QUITE the snout! :)

Meresankh...

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[PUBLIC] Netjer (Our Gods & Goddesses) / Re: Why Animal Heads?
« on: June 13, 2014, 08:07:11 am »
Em Hotep!

Quote from: Akins
The Kemetic Gods, in large number, are endowed with the heads of animals. Why is this? What does the animal mean? Do Kemetics believe the God in question actually appears that way, or do they believe the animal is a mere symbol of the Deity?


As far as I understand, the particular animals(s) chosen to represent the deity are chosen because there are things about their attributes that express attributes of the deity.  For instance, the falcon, for the various heru (Horus), has great vision.  The original Set animal, the canine, has great speed.  The lion, for Sekhmet, is a fierce protective mother.

Others may have more to add...

Meresankh

354
Em Hotep!
Quote from: Shezatwepwawet
Quote from: Iwaat

"magic in Ancient Egypt" by Geraldine Pinch

 


If I am wrong on this one, someone please correct me. But I think this book was plagiarized from Robert Reitner's Mechanics of ancient Egyptian magical practice. That book is available as a free pdf on the Oriental Institute's web site.  


I have the soft cover of both these books.  Pinch's book is produced by the British museum, and has lots of illustrations from that museum's holdings.  The text is quite different, too!

If you can only afford one, the Ritner book is much more specific about definitions and types of magic.  

(I see from the price sticker, I got my Pinch book at MMA (Metropolitan museum book store), for 24.95$))

Meresankh...

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[PUBLIC] Netjer (Our Gods & Goddesses) / Re: Set's Animal
« on: June 08, 2014, 07:49:52 am »
Em Hotep,
Quote from: Meresankh

"Red was a colour often associated with Seth in later times.  In early texts, however, white seems to be the colour associated with him.  Thus in a spell where Seth and his followers are commanded by Thoth to carry Osiris-King it is said of Seth:

'They make thy face white like white shrines.' (Pyr. 1659b)


Last night, I went to bed thinking this face whitening is perhaps only for the Osiris transport duties, for I hadn't seen any image of a white-faced Set. I acknowledged that there might be some out there, just that I hadn't seen any!

I was looking through some photos this morning and found an interesting find in regards to the white faced Set spoken of in the Pyramid texts.

Look closely at the stela of Aapehty, usually at the British Museum:

http://www.joanlansberry.com/setfind/aapehty.html

The photo there by Monique van der Veen is clearer than the museum photo:
http://www.britishmuseum.org/explore/highlights/highlight_objects/aes/l/limestone_stela_of_aapehty.aspx

As I look, both Aapehty and Set have very ruddy colored skin, the standard way male gods and humans were depicted. But look closely, and I can see no trace of red on Set's face!

While this isn't consistently the case, for instance the "Bull of Ombos" stela at the Ny Carlsberg Glyptotek
http://www.joanlansberry.com/setfind/setspear.html
shows a very ruddy faced Set, it's interesting to know that on some occasions, Set is depicted with a pale face.

I learn something new almost every day!

...Meresankh

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[PUBLIC] Netjer (Our Gods & Goddesses) / Re: Set's Animal
« on: June 07, 2014, 07:41:39 pm »
Em Hotep!
Quote from: Meresankh

Quote from: Vaalea


Well, in every case we know he'd be a redhead with unusually pale skin to his species, since that was a subject of his ostracization, so that bit narrows the pool of choice. ;)


While the color red is definitely associated with Set, I've not seen any source to confirm this "pale skin" idea.  What is your source?


I asked around about this 'white' Set, and my colleagues pointed me in the right direction. I haven't seen anything about the whiteness being a source of ostracization, but rather because of Set's association with the white crown.

In _The Origins of Osiris and his Cult_, by J. Gwyn Griffiths, we read

"Red was a colour often associated with Seth in later times.  In early texts, however, white seems to be the colour associated with him.  Thus in a spell where Seth and his followers are commanded by Thoth to carry Osiris-King it is said of Seth:

'They make thy face white like white shrines.' (Pyr. 1659b)

Sethe in his Commentary on the Dramatic Ramesseum Papyrus aptly quotes this saying in connexion with the locus in that papyrus (section 36) where Seth is regarded as incorporated in the white shrine.  He finds the basic reason for the association in the fact that white was the national colour of Upper Egypt, as exemplified in the White Crown of Upper Egypt; and on this point Kees concurs with Sethe." (pages 79-80)

So we know that much...

Meresankh

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[PUBLIC] Netjer (Our Gods & Goddesses) / Re: Set's Animal
« on: June 07, 2014, 07:55:46 am »
Em Hotep!
Quote from: Vaalea
Quote from: Akins
What is Set? What is the animal that represents Him? No one, to my knowledge, has been able to figure it out. It's a very unusual-looking creature.  


Well, in every case we know he'd be a redhead with unusually pale skin to his species, since that was a subject of his ostracization, so that bit narrows the pool of choice. ;)


While the color red is definitely associated with Set, I've not seen any source to confirm this "pale skin" idea.  What is your source?

While other animals were added later to the Set iconography, the most convincing sources point to the Saluki dog for the most ancient images.

from my webpage:
http://www.joanlansberry.com/setfind/setglyp2.html

Ken Moss advances the idea that the Saluki is the prototype for the Set animal in the August/September 2009 issue of _Ancient Egypt_. "These oldest representations of the Seth-animal are clearly of a dog, but with two unique features: an erect tail and erect squared-off ears. The body of the Seth-animal has in fact always been that of a canine, with paws, and even the head was dog-like in the beginning. It was only over time that the head became exaggerated with a long, narrow, down-turned snout." (Page 43)

Moss continues, "No animal has ever had ears that naturally ended in squared tips, but it was precisely this characteristic that led to my fortuitous discovery of the real Seth-animal.

"While researching the god Seth, I happened upon a National Geographic program called The Hunting Hounds of Arabia, and there on the screen was a living Seth-animal. It was a streamlined dog with erect feathered tail and erect square-tipped ears running in the desert scrub after a desperate rabbit. The answer to the square-tipped ears was explained by the narrator. The dogs’ ears were cropped, that is the tips of the ears had been cut off by their owners. This is a long-standing tradition, still carried out in Syria and elsewhere, that is done in the belief it helps the dogs avoid being snagged on branches while pursuing their game. The breed is the magnificent Saluki, the quintessential Arabian hound of the Bedouin and others." (Page 43)

Why are the Set-animal's ear's straight up? Observations of Salukis reveal that when they are running, the ears fly up, as does its tail.

"The erect status of both the tail and ears of the Seth-animal is also now clear. The animal was portrayed in its hunting state rather than while resting like most dogs or canine deities (Anubis, for example, who was a dog said by some to have been fathered by Seth). This fits perfectly with the god Seth himself, the all-powerful god of action, a hunter and perpetual dispatcher of the serpent Apep [Apophis]. Abu Nuwas, a ninth century Arab poet, wrote of a hunting Saluki: 'Like an arrow it was sent, tearing away from his own skin, lightning like a cloud.'" (Page 44)

  (http://www.joanlansberry.com/setfind/saluki1.png)
Photo from Moss' article

Even when seated with legs drawn up, the image keeps the 'active' flying ears and upright tail. This is the form of one of the hieroglyphs for Set:
 
(http://www.joanlansberry.com/setfind/sethiero.gif)
Source: TeVelde, _Seth, God of Confusion_

...Meresankh

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[PUBLIC] Prayer Requests / Re: Mimi's surgery
« on: June 07, 2014, 07:33:58 am »
Continued good healing to you, MiMafdet!

Meresankh

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[PUBLIC] Netjer (Our Gods & Goddesses) / Re: Epithets of the Names
« on: June 01, 2014, 10:17:22 am »
Quote from: Meresankh


This scene at Karnak, fortunately drawn by Lepsius, as it has since suffered damage, shows the titles in their original context:

http://www.joanlansberry.com/setfind/karn-set.html

On the far left, behind Set, it shows from top to bottom: "Great of Heka", "Son of Nut", "Great of Strength", plus one at the bottom which I do not yet know.  Does anyone recognise it? (A cluster of Heset vases and 3 seneb glyphs)?


(http://joanannlansberry.com/other/w18seneb.png)  

Looking closer, it is W18 on the Gardiner list.  My best guess so far is repeated purifications to give health???

After a bit of research, and not finding this exactly,   until I hear something better, I'm going to go with "Bestower of Vitality". Thutmose would need vitality if he was going to perform well in his race!

Meresankh

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[PUBLIC] Netjer (Our Gods & Goddesses) / Re: Epithets of the Names
« on: June 01, 2014, 08:59:54 am »
Quote from: rainbowrosepetals
Quote from: Seta
Are there any listed for Ash?  If not Ash, Set?

Thank you to all of you who have access to and translate these titles for the rest of us to read.


I would love to see a list of Set Epithets, as well. :D


Em Hotep!

There are several well known epithets of Set, some of which I had engraved on the Set sha statue I had made:
  (http://joanannlansberry.com/journal/pathmark/setbysun.jpg)

Story of its creation and lots of pics here:
http://joanannlansberry.com/journal/arch2014/tl140521.html

Around the plinth I have Set's name, along with "Son of Nut", "Great of Strength" and "Great of Heka (Magic)".

This scene at Karnak, fortunately drawn by Lepsius, as it has since suffered damage, shows the titles in their original context:

http://www.joanlansberry.com/setfind/karn-set.html

On the far left, behind Set, it shows from top to bottom: "Great of Heka", "Son of Nut", "Great of Strength", plus one at the bottom which I do not yet know.  Does anyone recognise it? (A cluster of Heset vases and 3 seneb glyphs)?

In front of him is Amun Ra, "Lord of Heaven", if I am reading it right.  One of the Herus is behind Thutmose III, but I'm not quite sure who.

Meresankh

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