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[PUBLIC] Netjer (Our Gods & Goddesses) / Re: Heqet related to Hecate?
« on: July 13, 2014, 02:19:07 pm »
Quote from: Birch
I'm not sure if you were referring to my post or the OP - but Hesiod's Theogony was written about 2800 years ago and is one of the earliest writings - perhaps not Academically Historic, but being one of the only things written of her at that time.

She was not known as a Triple Goddess in her origins - even I, being Wiccan (Gardnerian origins) was always quite aware of that. :) - lots of Wiccan folk do indeed do their homework,

From a site that a Recon friend of mine often recommends (http://www.theoi.com/Khthonios/Hekate.html ) :
" According to the most genuine traditions, she appears to have been an ancient Thracian divinity, and a Titan, who, from the time of the Titans, ruled in heaven, on the earth, and in the sea, who bestowed on mortals wealth, victory, wisdom, good luck to sailors and hunters, and prosperity to youth and to the flocks of cattle; but all these blessings might at the same time be withheld by her, if mortals did not deserve them. She was the only one among the Titans who retained this power under the rule of Zeus, and she was honoured by all the immortal gods." -- so she definitely was a powerful deity. WAS she Heqet? Not by the point that she became Hecate, however if at 2800 years ago, the writings spoke of her link to new born children, and this is something that Heqet was also linked to --- there could be more linking them than similar sounding name alone. So little is formed within a vacuum.  


No, no, I was not referring to your post at all, but the text given in the description of the statue the OP purchased. Additionally, I did not mean to say that their similar name is the only reason that whoever wrote the statue's description would link Hecate and Heqet, as they are in the least both tied in some way to childbirth? -confused headtilt-

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[PUBLIC] Kemetic Orthodox Q&A / Incense?
« on: July 13, 2014, 10:24:35 am »
Em Hotep all,

I was thinking of burning some incense for the NTR. Does anyone know of any scents that were used in antiquity, as far as offerings go? Is there anything I should specifically stay away from, on that front, such as scents that were thought to be unappealing (Fishy smells? Not that that's usually incense, but you know.)?

On a separate note, does anyone use incense for purification purposes, and are there any historically-attested scents for that?

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[PUBLIC] Welcome! / Re: update
« on: July 13, 2014, 10:16:04 am »
Em Hotep, Maren!

I'm Meg, I'm taking the Beginner's classes. Nice to meet you. <3

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[PUBLIC] Welcome! / Re: Hello
« on: July 13, 2014, 10:14:32 am »
Em Hotep, DreamsoftheSands!

I've always called it "Kemeticism."

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[PUBLIC] Welcome! / Re: Em hotep! :)
« on: July 13, 2014, 10:12:08 am »
Em Hotep, Smenkare! :D

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[PUBLIC] Welcome! / Re: Hey Folks
« on: July 13, 2014, 10:10:40 am »
Em Hotep, Anakin!

Always happy to see a fellow Set-fan. :D

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[PUBLIC] Netjer (Our Gods & Goddesses) / Re: Heqet related to Hecate?
« on: July 13, 2014, 09:37:32 am »
Em Hotep Raincloud,

The information listed about Hecate in that description seems more like a person's own personal interpretation of Hecate than what we know about Hecate in actual history. The first thing that stands out to me is that Hecate is immediately referred to as "Maiden, Mother, and Wise Woman." This, also called the "Mother/Maiden/Crone" archetype, is a highly Neowiccan concept, and as far as I know, there is no historical basis for Hecate being a triple goddess.

When Hecate is depicted in Ancient Greek artwork, she is always shown in the form of a young woman. She, like Athene and Artemis, is referred to as a "virgin goddess," so she simply cannot fulfill the role of "mother." And while Hecate may be wise, she has, to my knowledge, never been depicted as elderly in ancient times. She is never syncretized with Persephone or Demeter in antiquity. She was never referred to as a "triple goddess" in antiquity.

Hecate DOES appear in a "triple form" in Ancient Greek sculpture. As the goddess of crossroads, there would sometimes be statues of her placed at literal crossroads, in which she was depicted looking in each direction. This was a symbolic representation of Hecate watching wherever you go. However, the "triple" nature of these statues is the same exact figure of Hecate looking in multiple directions. She is never shown in differing forms, or paired with other goddesses.

The line "all the secret powers of Nature are at her command" also sounds like Neowiccan influence. Hecate was not a goddess of agriculture, and while she is sometimes noted as having power over "heaven and earth," this seems to have more to do with her status as a liminal deity than anything. Liminal deities are those with the ability to pass between multiple realms, i.e. Olympus, the Underworld, and Earth.

So from this, we can begin to deconstruct the thought process of whoever it is that wrote that blurb:

  • It is likely that they are influenced by Neowiccan ideals, as given the reference to the Maiden/Mother/Crone archetype and the references to "secret powers of nature." While Hecate is shown as triple-headed/triple-faced in some statues, that is a physical representation of her role as goddess of the crossroads.
  • They are probably a soft polytheist, as they made mention of "Hecate" being Persephone and Demeter, and then implied that the Roman deities Proserpine and Ceres are equivalent to Persephone and Demeter. While they do have a great deal of similarity between them, as Roman and Greek cultures borrowed heavily from one another, the claim that they are the same is the author's personal opinion. While soft polytheism is fine (and most of the folks here in KO are soft polytheists, given that we syncretize deities), it is important when giving general information it is noted what is and what isn't historically attested. This prevents the spread of misinformation and allows the reader to make their own decisions about how to interpret what is given. This is also probably where the author got "Hekat" = "Hecate" from, given their similar names and that they both reportedly have some tie to birth.
If you (or anyone, as I now see this is an old thread) would like more information about Hecate, I would recommend going here. Theoi is the place to find information about Greek deities on the web, imo.

Here we have a Hellenic Recon angrily ranting about how Hecate is not considered a triple goddess in AE. Proceed with caution if you have Neowiccan leanings, as Solo is not friendly to Neowiccans in this post.  

If you would like to speak to Hellenic Polytheists about Hecate's role, I can point you in that direction. I can also direct you to books you might read that might help you understand Hecate or other Theoi (if that's your thing) from a historic perspective. It can be difficult to find objective information about deities, when so many authors make no distinction between their personal beliefs and historically-attested ones.

If you would like further information on Heket/Heqet, I'm sure that the members of this forum will have more information on her than I; she is not one whom I know much of. I would also check here.

I hope this has been of some help to you! :D  

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[PUBLIC] Netjer (Our Gods & Goddesses) / Re: Epithets of the Names
« on: June 01, 2014, 08:36:12 am »
Quote from: Seta
Are there any listed for Ash?  If not Ash, Set?

Thank you to all of you who have access to and translate these titles for the rest of us to read.


I would love to see a list of Set Epithets, as well. :D

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[PUBLIC] Welcome! / Re: Introductions
« on: April 27, 2014, 09:40:44 am »
Oh no, I did receive the automated "we got your app" messages. I meant I got no reply as far as an actual yes or no. -nods-

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[PUBLIC] Welcome! / Introductions
« on: April 27, 2014, 09:19:12 am »
Hello, all. I'm Meg, pleased to meet you. I am a 24-year-old with an Associate's in Early Childhood Education. Trying really hard to get my Bachelor's, but alas, money is the thing there. Hopefully I will go back to school in the fall!

I applied to the Beginner's Class 'round the very start of April but haven't had a reply back yet. I know the Nisut has been away until recently, though, so I'm not sure if I should resend or just sit tight. -headtilt- I'm very excited for the classes!

I originally started researching Kemeticism because my then-partner expressed an interest in working with Anpu. I knew pretty literally nothing about Kemeticism or the NTR or Egypt - honestly, I was always way more into Greek Mythology. Religion can be a really big thing, though, and I didn't want that to cause a divide between us because I didn't know anything about it. Eventually, I found myself way more interested in Kemeticism than anything. It just sort of clicked with me. Not knowing anything about Egypt or anything and having a strong interest in Greek Mythology, I got to the point where I was stubbornly -forcing- myself to read more about Hellenism when I really wanted to read about Kemeticism. Then I got "How long are you going to pretend you're not Kemetic?"

Enter Set. Well, not really. He's been around before then, but that was my major "a-ha" moment, I guess. I suppose I'm a somewhat unexpected Setian, what with my name being "rainbowrosepetals" and my tone being "Yaaayy, Kemeticism! -throws glitter-" and all. I've had an exceptionally rough life. I've been the only rational person in a never-ending swarm of incredibly toxic and abusive people for...always. I consider myself to be some kind of "corruption magnet," and when things get especially terrible, like if I end up completely in over my head, everything (metaphorically, thankfully) goes up in flames and I'm forced to go somewhere else. -blinks- Yeah. Set makes sense to me. I like him quite a lot.

Well, that was a lot longer than I thought it would be. So um, yeah. Hi. -waves-

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