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[PUBLIC] Netjer (Our Gods & Goddesses) / Re: Nefertem
« on: August 29, 2017, 07:38:22 pm »
Alas, a lot of the work on Nefertem does not seem to be in English.
I do have a few notes on him though, I'll share:

- Found referenced on 'Heru on the Crocodiles' amulets/stelae, where he is sometimes referred to as "Nefertem, Protector of the Two Lands": the purpose of the amulet is to provide healing for scorpion stings/snake bites/other wounds from poisonous / venomous creatures

- Mentioned in Pyramid Texts, 'W. [Wesir?] comes forth as Nefertem, as the lotus at the nose of Ra'

- Depected wearing a headress of an open lotus flower with menat on either side, with two tall feathers in the middle

- Sometimes shown carrying a weapon resembling a khopesh, sometimes with an ankh and/or was scepter

- In a relief at Medinet Habu the Nisut Seti I is depicted addressing Nefertem with the words:
"The god is content, content, with his overflowings. Nefertem is content with his overflowing. The one who belongs to the sky, his arm is to the earth, and vice versa. A boon which the king gives. The king is vigorous with life, I being pure."

- Referred to as 'Lord of Offerings'

- In general, he takes on a lot of aspects of His mother, Sekhmet in regards to healing and in some cases fighting/war
Especially healing. I believe he's one of the Top Netjer you would ask specifically for healing (Sekhmet, Serqet, Nefertem, and Imhotep are often considered 'healers')
His temples were places people would go for healing.

- Also referred to as a 'son of Atum'

- Can be syncretized as Nefertem-Heru(-sa-Aset) and Nefertem-Ra

- Also as Nefertem-Imhotep, a national Akh (deified human, basically)


Horus on the Crocodiles
Keith C. Seele
Journal of Near Eastern Studies, Vol. 6, No. 1 (Jan., 1947), pp. 43-52

The Goddesses of the Egyptian Tree Cult
Marie-Louise Buhl
Journal of Near Eastern Studies, Vol. 6, No. 2 (Apr., 1947), pp. 80-97

Certain Reliefs at Karnak and Medinet Habu and the Ritual of Amenophis I
Harold H. Nelson
Journal of Near Eastern Studies, Vol. 8, No. 3 (Jul., 1949), pp. 201-232

The Iconography of Certain Egyptian Divinities as Illustrated by the Collections in Haskell
Oriental Museum
Harry W. Cartwright
The American Journal of Semitic Languages and Literatures, Vol. 45, No. 3 (Apr.,
1929), pp. 179-196

The Ancient Egyptian Daybook
Rev. Tamara Siuda

If you can get your hands on George Hart's 'A Dictionary of Egyptian Gods and Goddesses,' I'd recommend checking it out, and there's another God/dess 'Dictionary' I really like but can't remember the name of... Got to check my notes.

EDIT: FOUND IT, and Hart's book.

Hart's dictionary doesn't have much more to add other than Nefertem can take leonin/lion headed form and may be a son of Bast or Wadjet as well (Like his origin, all of these Names can simultaneously be his mother).

The other dictionary was Wilkinson's Complete Gods and Goddesses of Ancient Egypt, major new/additional stuff listed below:

- Strong association w/ Ra

- Also says he is sometimes the son of Wadjet and Bast, though Sekhmet is most common

- Sometimes he is depicted standing on a lion

- Some representations of him as a child's head emerging from a lotus blossom

- The head in lotus is where Tutenkhamun comes in: famous representation of his head coming from the lotus, Wilkinson says it is likely a way to represent the Nisut Tut as Nefertem and Heru-sa-Aset. So Nefertem and HSA because he was young, I think, but also to emphasize the kingship element. (Especially if the depiction is of Nefertem-Heru)

- Wilkinson says he was primarily on royal and divine monuments, and sometimes feared due to his mother.

- Association with lotus = association to creation story = regeneration and rebirth as areas of his (likely leading to his healing association, imo)

Ok, I think that's all I have on Nefertem. Hope at least some of it was helpful.  :P

[PUBLIC] Netjer (Our Gods & Goddesses) / Re: Nefertem
« on: August 27, 2017, 05:11:05 pm »
I can answer the first question.  :) Both stories are considered 'true' by KO. Hemet has explained this concept in some recent posts, though I'm having trouble finding one to share here... The gist is that multiple stories can be true at the same time, similar to how various versions of the Names can exist at the same time.

[PUBLIC] Prayer Requests / Re: Prayers for my Spouse Julia
« on: August 23, 2017, 02:03:09 am »
Prayers for both of you, I hope Julia's health continues to improve and stays that way for a long time!

Ooh, now I'm trying to think where I got everything...

The stand my shrine is on I inherited from my grandmother, so I didn't buy that. The shrine cloth and ankh I got from the British Museum. A couple of libation vessels I have were from the dollar section at Michaels. I got a pack of 50 tea lights from Walmart, and my oil warmer is from there too ($2.50, a steal). I have one bowl from an independent fair trade store near where I live. I'm pretty sure everything else was from the transfer station in my parent's town - there's a swap area there, where you can leave pretty much whatever and anyone is free to take it. I've got lots of plates, bowls, candle holders and so on there. The bookcase my akhu shrine is on is from there as well. I didn't buy anything on my akhu shrine, except the shrine cloth which is a plain white bandana from a craft store (Michaels, Jo Anns, or A C Moore most likely). I'm planning on getting some white ostrich feathers, most likely from Michaels.

The only statue I have I got from DeeEgypt on ebay/etsy. I highly recommend, stuff tends to be pricey but it's very nice and the customer service is great! Different stuff is sometimes listed on the ebay and etsy, so it's worth checking both.

I'm a huge fan of antique shops in general, as well as craft stores. Large stores like Target and Walmart often have nice stuff as well (even if I now live in a state without a single Target :'( ) Etsy is always worth giving a look too, they have some very beautiful things! Not always where to go when you want the cheapest option though.

[PUBLIC] Kemetic Orthodox Q&A / Re: UK sources of Natron?
« on: August 19, 2017, 06:16:38 pm »
Also, if you're concerned about baking it into the pans, I believe I used parchment paper to cover the bottom of the pan for protection, which worked pretty well for me.

Hey Lillium!

Welcome to the community, hope you find many connections and resources here! =)

Here's a thought that I sometimes find helpful: While I believe They are real, even if I am making everything up in my head, They have still helped me. My life is better for having Netjer in it, and whether my experience of Them is my brain being squiggly or not, the benefit of believing in and interacting with Netjer remains. While that doesn't necessarily help determine whether everything's 'real' or not, it sometimes comforts me in the sense that even if I'm making everything up (which I severely doubt), my belief helps me and improves my quality of life. So no matter what is 'real,' Netjer is still Good for me and my life.

If that makes sense? It's a little rambley and circular, aha.

Discernment is a hard task, and it works a little differently for everyone. I agree with Cinder that asking for signs is a good way to help reassure yourself about your discernment, as is repetition of things that seem to be signs. Getting that email sounds like a sign to me, most certainly (I know I've gotten signs like that before).

I hope you continue to deepen your relationship with Yinepu, it seems like He's really trying to be their for you (and you for Him), and that at least some of what I say is helpful, aha.



[PUBLIC] Prayer Requests / Re: For the ka of Heather Heyer
« on: August 13, 2017, 07:21:18 pm »
Prayers for her and the others injured (counter) protesting the hatred shown in Charlottesville.

[PUBLIC] Netjer (Our Gods & Goddesses) / Re: Sobek?
« on: July 31, 2017, 01:06:33 pm »
This thread is really interesting to me, as some of the names I'm closest to are Sobek, Set, and Nit.

From research, I've found that Nit is also sometimes portrayed as crocodile headed, and has some association with them. I haven't found any references to Nit and Set. Though, as this is a religion where many different things are simultaneously true, I don't think it impossible that they could both be a parent of Sobek, but not together. 

From the personal, I often experience both Set and Sobek in tandem, in that they like showing up at the same time. I also sometimes have difficulty telling them apart. As in, I can sense that someone is there, and I know it's one of the two of them, but I'm not sure which. I wouldn't necessarily say one led me to the other, but Set showed up in my life shortly after Sobek did.

So whether or not they're related, in my personal practice they seem to be fairly close.  ;)

[PUBLIC] Prayer Requests / Re: Surgery (But It's A Good Thing!)
« on: July 24, 2017, 03:33:25 pm »
Prayers, Gezausenu, and best wishes for your recovery.

[PUBLIC] Prayer Requests / Re: Surgery (But It's A Good Thing!)
« on: July 19, 2017, 01:47:55 pm »
Congrats Gezausenu! I'm glad everything is going well for you so far!

[PUBLIC] Kemetic Orthodox Q&A / Re: Wine and Spirituality
« on: July 17, 2017, 05:26:09 pm »
En hotep,

I'm not home right now, but when I get back I have a book called (something like) 'Wine in ancient Egypt and Egyptian religion' which I will totally look through for you if you have any specific questions! I know it includes exact wordings for different types of wine offerings, which I remember finding really cool when I read it

Just wanted to pop in to say that I got a very strong dawning realization of perfection from the Lion King songs for Wesir, just. Absolute yes.

[PUBLIC] FAQ: RPD (Rite of Parent Divination) / Re: RPD woo!
« on: June 29, 2017, 02:32:42 am »
Nekhtet, Hearthfire! So happy for you!

[PUBLIC] FAQ: RPD (Rite of Parent Divination) / Re: RPD Results!
« on: June 29, 2017, 02:29:08 am »
Nekhtet! It's so cool to see my beginner's classmates have their RPDs, it just seems extra special. <3

[PUBLIC] Prayer Requests / Re: Surgery (But It's A Good Thing!)
« on: May 20, 2017, 02:21:22 am »
Prayers, Gezausenu! I hope the surgery goes well, you recover quickly,  and the results are all you could possibly have hoped for.

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