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The terms Parent and Beloved refer specifically to the way Names can appear in the Rite of Parent Divination. These are the only "official" terms that appear in Kemetic Orthodoxy to describe a relationship that a Divined Remetj or Shemsu may have with a Name. And even then, there are those outside of Kemetic Orthodoxy who have adopted this terminology because it fits their experiences. But outside of Parent and Beloved, there is no terminology for any other kind of relationship. That said - there are a large number of people who have relationships with Names other than their Parent(s) or Beloved(s). I myself have been taught a great deal by Nit, Heru-wer and Set. I don't use any specific words to describe our relationship because I don't feel it is necessary, but I do on rare occasion offer something to one of Them. Hope that helps. :)

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[PUBLIC] Kemetic Orthodox Q&A / Re: Kemetic Orthodoxy vs. Neopaganism
« on: July 20, 2008, 08:02:20 pm »
Pretty much, and that's about all it takes - an understanding.

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[PUBLIC] Kemetic Orthodox Q&A / Re: Kemetic Orthodoxy vs. Neopaganism
« on: July 20, 2008, 07:49:48 pm »
Quote from: ZigZag
Quote from: Sobeqsenu
It could be pagan, it could be neopagan, it could be ATR, it could be a purple polka-dotted penguin's nose.

Thanks Sobeqsenu, most of what you said made sense to me, but based on this statement why wouldn't Tameran Wicca (or any form of Wicca incorporating the Egyptian Gods) and Ceremonial Magic not be Kemetic? I hope I'm not coming across as difficult, but in doing my research of "recon" religions (maybe traditional religions is better) the distinction between the traditional religion and Neopaganism seems a little clearer.


Not difficult at all. The main reason that Tameran Wicca and Ceremonial Magic aren't Kemetic are because they don't originate from Kemet. Ceremonial Magic, though it utilizes Kemetic deities, originated from... well, wherever it did, I'm not really sure. Tameran Wicca ultimately goes back to Gerald Gardner. Rather than the practitioner of Tameran Wicca or Ceremonial Magic saying "I should like to follow the Egyptian gods", they are saying "I should like to be Wiccan. Let me follow the Egyptian gods"; or "I should like to practice Ceremonial Magic. Let me call upon the Egyptian gods". Does that make more sense?

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[PUBLIC] Kemetic Orthodox Q&A / Re: Kemetic Orthodoxy vs. Neopaganism
« on: July 20, 2008, 07:23:09 pm »
Let me see if I can sum this up for you in a reasonably sized nutshell.

To call yourself Kemetic, in any way, shape, or form, you recognize that you are worshipping the gods of ancient Egypt, and honor them in some way, shape, or form. I would even go so far as to say that you could do this in any framework aside from Wiccan. The reason I exclude a Wiccan framework is the existence of Tameran Wicca, aka Egyptian Wicca. I wouldn't say Tameran Wicca is Kemetic, because... well, it's Tameran Wicca. It has a name of its own already. There's nothing specific you need to do, really, other than declare yourself a devotee of the gods of Kemet *as the gods of Kemet* - not as tools, as in ceremonial magick, or as the Lord and Lady of Wicca.

But - To call yourself Kemetic Orthodox, you practice the form of Kemetic religion taught by the House of Netjer. Most members of the House of Netjer believe similar things, but not everyone has identical beliefs. What is more accurate is to say that we all pretty much do the same things that make us Kemetic Orthodox. We all follow the same practices, more or less. There are other things people add in, as part of their personal faith, but there are a few basic formal things that make one Kemetic Orthodox that the majority of followers all perform. There is always some leeway here and there for people to do some things, and not others, of course.

Kemetic Orthodoxy is not considered a reconstructionist faith by its adherents and clergy, most likely because of the sheer impossibility suggested by the term 'reconstructionist' when applied to ancient Kemet. To truly reconstruct ancient Egyptian religion, you would need to rebuild a culture which, though it is not dead, has undergone millenia of changes. Kemetic religion is deeply rooted in the culture and the society of ancient Egypt. We can't rebuild that here, even if we tried - we will always be modern, global citizens, living in the 21st century. Besides - things that worked in ancient times won't work now, and we need to find ways to work with and through modern technology. Hence the on-line simulcasts of some rituals held for members of the House of Netjer; hence the modern rituals such as Senut, hence this whole global community of faith known as the House of Netjer. That's my take on it, anyways - I'm not sure if it matches any sort of 'official' stance, if there is one.

I think whether you define yourself as neopagan, reconstructionist, or not, is really up to you. I define myself as pagan and Kemetic Orthodox - though, I am pagan, *and* I am Kemetic Orthodox - I am not pagan *because* I am Kemetic Orthodox. Make sense? Really, Kemetic faith is something that tends to fall outside of a nice little box. It could be pagan, it could be neopagan, it could be ATR, it could be a purple polka-dotted penguin's nose.

There is no easy answer for 'what makes someone Kemetic'. It really comes down to "Are they anything else first? Are they Wiccan? Are they working ceremonial magick? Or are they just worshipping the gods of Egypt?"

I hope that clears things up a little bit.

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I always forget about this Purification - and it's funny that I do, because it is one involving my Father. Usually, when I read it, I pass over it, thinking it isn't important, that I would never steal something I have offered back, or anything like that. But I realize it is when I consider the meaning of the words in the purification, as Hemet (AUS) describes them.

If I read the word stealing as 'taking on', as Hemet (AUS) notes as a closer translation, this Purification becomes very complicated. It means more than just keeping what is Netjer's for Netjer; it is also about not trying to take on the perfection and roles of Netjer. I know that I need to remember that while I may be a child of Wepwawet and Sekhmet-Mut, I am not Them - I need to allow myself to be human and to make mistakes. I can't take the role of God onto myself, because I'm not God. It's also a reminder to allow Netjer to take on the things that I can't handle. When you read this purification very closely, it becomes a wonderful reminder that we need to sit back and let Netjer be Netjer, and let ourselves be human.

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[PUBLIC] FAQ: RPD (Rite of Parent Divination) / Re: Why be named?
« on: February 23, 2008, 11:43:29 pm »
Quote from: mauvedragon
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I'm curious by what you mean by treating the Divined Remetj possibility as separate from the decision to have RPD; they go hand in hand. Or do you mean that you aren't worrying about moving from Divined Remetj to Shemsu yet, you're still pondering the RPD itself?


Neither. I meant that the decision to have an RPD should be made without thinking about Shemsu vows. Thinking about Shemsu vows is only relevant after you've decided to have an RPD.


Em hotep, mauvedragon! *henu*

That makes sense. You have to make sure you are quite satisfied with the way the Rite of Parent Divination turned out before you commit to Shemsu vows. If you doubt your divination, then you are going to have difficulty being comfortable making Shemsu vows to serve the deities Who stepped forward in that rite. :) Good point.

To answer your original question: For me, there was only one thing that could have stopped me from becoming  a Shemsu as soon as possible, to be honest: if Wepwawet were not at least my Beloved. But He is, in fact, my Father, and the first to come forward for me. As soon as I heard my Parents and Beloveds, I knew They were all so absolutely right. I had known that I wanted to devote a substantial amount of worship to Wepwawet before doing the Rite of Parent Divination and taking Shemsu vows; when I was divined as His daughter, I knew that nothing would make me happier than being His follower. The same with Sekhmet-Mut - though I did not know She would be my Mother, rather than Beloved, and I did not expect the syncretization. I was satisfied with my experiences within the beginners' class, and, having met Hemet and several Kai-Imakhiu in person, was satisfied that the folks within the House are generally good folks. It just made sense, to me.

Becoming a Shemsu is something that's intensely personal, I think - but I think in general, there's two things that let you know you're ready for it:
* You want to serve your Parent(s) above all other gods.
* You want Kemetic Orthodoxy to be your primary religion.
When both of those sentences are true, then that's when Shemsu vows are right for you. Other things, such as love for your Parent(s), devotion to Netjer, anything like that - those are secondary, and those should be reasons for why those above two conditions are true. Without those two desires, there's not much reason to take Shemsu vows. I think if you look at the answers you get in this thread, you'll find that it all boils down to those two points. Maybe not so much the second one, as that one doesn't necessarily get so much attention because it's assumed - but definitely the first one.

Senebty!
Sobeq

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[PUBLIC] FAQ: RPD (Rite of Parent Divination) / Re: Why be named?
« on: February 22, 2008, 10:04:15 pm »
Em hotep, mauvedragon!

The Rite of Parent Divination, Shemsu Naming and Shemsuhood are all optional - but if you want to become a Shemsu, Naming is part of that process. It is the rite of passage by which one becomes a Shemsu. For me, I knew right away after my divination that I wanted to be a Shemsu, so Naming was part of the package for me.

Also, just a helpful tip - Shemsu is the same in singular and plural form, kind of like sheep, or moose. ;) Took me forever to figure that out.

Senebty! :)
Sobeq

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[PUBLIC] FAQ: RPD (Rite of Parent Divination) / Re: How do you know?
« on: January 15, 2008, 07:17:55 am »
Em hotep, all! *henu*

I would also hesitate to say that you're actually allowing someone else to tell you anything at all. The RPD is an objective form of divination (that is, there's no personal interpretation involved) that the Nisut (AUS) performs and merely reads off the results. I've seen it done live, it's very interesting. She has very little say in the information she passes along, and even she is surprised sometimes, as I have seen. :) But Seta is right - this is only something you need to do if you are seeking to be part of the House of Netjer/Kemetic Orthodoxy.

This isn't to say that the RPD is something that should be taken lightly; it is quite the contrary. Since it is much more than just letting someone pick gods for you, it's all the more important to put a great deal of thought into whether or not you are ready and willing to learn, from an objective source, Who made you - even if it's not Who you expect. :)

Senebty!
Sobeq

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[PUBLIC] FAQ: RPD (Rite of Parent Divination) / Re: How do you know?
« on: December 28, 2007, 08:17:28 am »
Em hotep (in peace), MorsVates! *henu*

Well, to be absolutely sure (within the House of Netjer/Kemetic Orthodoxy, that is), one would undergo the Rite of Parent Divination, a ritual offered by the House of Netjer/Kemetic Orthodoxy as a rite of passage into the HoN/KO community. It is designed to tell you which deity(s) is/are your Parent(s), and which is/are your Beloved(s).

As far as outside of the House of Netjer/Kemetic Orthodoxy... well, ask Them! Many people know before their RPD Who their Parent(s) will be. I knew I was a child of Wepwawet-Yinepu (that is, Anpu in His form of Opener of Ways) and I knew I had another Parent and even Sekhmet Herself had told me She was my Mother, but I passed it off as wishful thinking. Behold - Sekhmet-Mut  (a particular syncretization of Sekhmet and Mut, found at the temple of Mut at Karnak most often) was my mother. My Beloveds were only partially surprising, being the deities I was most fond of as a child. But I digress.

If you plan on joining Kemetic Orthodoxy/the House of Netjer, you would use the RPD to determine your Parent(s)/Beloved(s). But as Zat said, maintaining a relationship with other deities is highly encouraged. If you *don't* plan on becoming Kemetic Orthodox and joining the House of Netjer, then just ask Them. I'm sure They'll  give you some kind of answer - though it might not be straightforward, exactly! ;)

Senebty (be well),
Sobeq

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[PUBLIC] Netjer (Our Gods & Goddesses) / Re: Offerings for Sekhmet?
« on: July 08, 2007, 08:25:26 am »
Anything red. Cranberry juice is good, but pomegranate juice is especially good. I've offered Her a cranberry cinnamon tea that went over really well. Red meat, as you've discovered. She kind of was miffed at me when I tried to offer Her soda once; It's unhealthy, She said, and She doesn't want me polluting my body. She likes alcohol - red beer, I think is the best but red wine has gone well before too. I'm a daughter of Sekhmet-Mut, so She tends to like very fine things from me - fine wine, opals and rubies, copper bracelets, candles, expensive chocolates... stuff like that. Your mileage will definitely vary because of that.

I didn't know She liked frankincense! I've been wearing it nonstop. I bought a bottle of essential oil for Her and for Dad - I bought myrrh for Wepwawet and I bought somalian rose for Sekhmet-Mut. She seems to love it - It's Sekhmet-y enough, but a tiny bit floral for the Mut-ness. Man I hope that made sense.  

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[PUBLIC] Kemetic Orthodox Q&A / Re: Your Shemsu Name and You
« on: April 06, 2007, 08:17:28 pm »
The next Naming is on April 25th. :) I hope to see you there, brother!

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[PUBLIC] Kemetic Orthodox Q&A / Re: Your Shemsu Name and You
« on: March 29, 2007, 09:02:52 pm »
1.) Sobeqsenu - "Two are precious"
2.) daughter of Wepwawet and Sekhmet-Mut, beloved of Bast and Nut
3.) Um, I've been named for 25 hours. I waited about 3 weeks - from the RPD intensive to the 28th.
4.) Well, "sobeq" can also mean "splendid" or "calf (part of the leg)". I'm taking "Two are calves" to mean that they support me like my legs do. :grin:
5.) I tried like heck! Didn't come close. All my guesses were dealing with weaponry and strength and arrows. *giggles*
6.) I used Seshetma'at, which was supposed to mean "She who writes truth".

*is still bouncing up and down from the Naming last night*

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[PUBLIC] Kemetic Orthodox Q&A / Your Shemsu Name and You
« on: March 15, 2007, 09:04:31 am »
This is sort of inspired by the "You and the Names in Your Life" thread in the Netjer section of the boards. It's a survey for folks with, without, or not planning on receiving Shemsu names.

For the already named: Part A.

1.) What is your Shemsu name and meaning?
2.) What is your RPD lineup?
3.) How long have you been named, and how long did you wait before being named?
4.) Are there any interesting puns in your name that you have heard of? Please share them if you're willing to.
5.) Did you try to figure out what your name would be before you got it? If so, were you close?
6.) Did you use any Kemetic names before you got your Shemsu name? If so, what were they and what did they mean?

For those not yet named or not planning to be named: Part B
1.) Have you had your RPD done? Who was in your lineup?
2.) Do you use a Kemetic name right now? What is it and what does it mean?
3.) Do you plan on being named at any time? If not, and if you are comfortable sharing - why not?
4.) If you plan on being named, are you trying to guess what your name might be like? Care to share the guesses?

I'm going to answer these after my naming in just under two weeks.

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