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Author Topic: Is Netjer the Nameless?  (Read 2279 times)

Is Netjer the Nameless?
« on: December 15, 2010, 11:43:02 am »
Is Netjer the same as the Nameless One? How does Netjer differ from Atum? The One that is formless and cannot be known (perhaps a little to those who have experienced a mystical experience).

Offline Tai'awepwawet

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Re: Is Netjer the Nameless?
« Reply #1 on: December 15, 2010, 08:53:58 pm »
Atum is a 'Netjer', a God.

We also use the word Netjer in the sense of "divine energy", essentially.

So, 'Netjer', is not a God. A Netjer = a God (in Kemetic)

Atum is a specific, named God, with attributes and mythology. That would be the main way that he differs from the concept of Netjer. I haven't had any personal experience with him to talk more about.
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Offline Arienihethert

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Re: Is Netjer the Nameless?
« Reply #2 on: December 16, 2010, 11:28:06 am »
AFAIK, when we say "the nameless one" we're referring to Apep, which is about as far from Netjer as you can get. That's the uncreated one, the one who opposes all that the gods stand for.

As Henyt says, "Netjer" means "god" or "divine being," and often is used to refer to that amorphous expanse of deity-as-undifferentiated-and-complete, rather than as specific individuals, "Netjeru" in the plural (like Atum, Ra, etc.). All the gods have names (and usually one or more secret names), so if it's nameless, it's probably not a godly thing.

For formlessness, the only Name that springs to mind is Nun, the primeval waters of creation. Atum, in my understanding, not only *has* form, he gave form to the other gods (according to one creation story, at least). He is pretty "out there," as in big and remote, so maybe that distance might give him the sense of being somewhat diaphanous?

Hope that helps.

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Re: Is Netjer the Nameless?
« Reply #3 on: December 16, 2010, 11:48:24 am »
In many of the creation myths, Tem, the Self-Created, is the closest Name we have to the concept of Netjer.  
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Re: Is Netjer the Nameless?
« Reply #4 on: December 16, 2010, 11:56:09 am »
Isn't there something in the difference between Netjer, Netjeru & Netjeret...?

Netjer being the "divine energy", and the others being male/female conduits or "streams" of Netjer? It's my understanding that Netjer also encompasses bau, Akhu, Netjeri, etc...?

At least, according to Wilkinson...
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Offline Tai'awepwawet

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Re: Is Netjer the Nameless?
« Reply #5 on: December 16, 2010, 11:08:09 pm »
Quote from: Ta_Imu_Aset
Isn't there something in the difference between Netjer, Netjeru & Netjeret...?


Yes.

Netjer: Single (male) God
Netjeret: Single (female) God
Netjeru: Gods (plural)

And there is also the more abstract idea of Netjer as "divine spirit", divine energy, etc.

Strictly speaking, things like akhu I don't think would be classed under divine? However, in the very modern view of divine energy as sometimes meaning the energy that spiritually makes up things, yes, I suppose.
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