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Author Topic: Heka: God and Concept  (Read 4723 times)

Offline Satsenu

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Heka: God and Concept
« on: October 10, 2011, 09:22:39 am »
Em hotep!

I understand Heka to be the god of magical speech. My question is have any of you dealt with Him as a deity? What are your experiences? What is he/does he like? I would appreciate UPGs more than anything, I believe. ^_^ As far as being a concept, what are your individual thoughts? Thank you!

Senebty and much love,
Satsenu
Satsenu, Daughter of Two
I am the daughter of Wepwawet(-Yinepu) and Bast, beloved of Wesir-Sokar and Amun-Ra.

Re: Heka: God and Concept
« Reply #1 on: October 10, 2011, 09:37:15 am »

I'm a little confused.
I thought Heka in of itself was the magic of words, not a Name of any kind.
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 06:00:00 pm by MissMurderous »

Offline Satsenu

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Re: Heka: God and Concept
« Reply #2 on: October 10, 2011, 09:38:16 am »
Like Ma'at, He is a god and a concept. ^_^
Satsenu, Daughter of Two
I am the daughter of Wepwawet(-Yinepu) and Bast, beloved of Wesir-Sokar and Amun-Ra.

Offline TahekerutAset

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Re: Heka: God and Concept
« Reply #3 on: October 10, 2011, 01:55:10 pm »
We have one beloved of Heka that I know of.  Inibmutes has him as a beloved.  

Heka is not just magical speech.  Heka (magic) can be actions, words, numbers, colors etc. I highly recommend Symbol and Magic in Egyptian Art by Richard Wilkinson if you would like more information on the subject.  

I have not dealt with Him as a deity.  

But Aset is the goddess I go to for Heka type stuff.
TahekerutAset "Aset's Jewel"
Sat Aset
Meryt Nebet Het, Wepwawet, Sekhmet-Mut, Ra, Mut,  Bast-Mut, Shu, Tefnut

Website:  Fiercely Bright One

Re: Heka: God and Concept
« Reply #4 on: October 10, 2011, 02:48:04 pm »
Ah, I see. I was a little confused because on the page of definitions, Heka is defined as the belief of power (magic) in words. Or something very similar to that, which had me thinking that as a whole KO didn't believe in the magic like pagans do.
I was just a little misled, I think. Thank you for clearing that up for me TahekerutAset.

Offline Sedjemes

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Re: Heka: God and Concept
« Reply #5 on: October 10, 2011, 02:55:46 pm »
Em hotep!

Heka (with a capital H) is the god.

With the small h, it is the concept ;)

At its heart, for us as Kemetic Orthodox, Heka the god is authoritative utterance, and heka the concept is indeed the power inherent in words.

For the ancients (and for us), there is in fact no specific word for "magic", just as there was no specific word for "religion." heka is simply present in the universe, just as is Heka.
Khenmetaset ("Aset Gladdens")
Sedjemes ("She listens")
Daughter of Aset-Serqet, Meryt Ra her Sekhmet
Heri-Sesheta Aset-Serqet

Offline Rev. Shezatwepwawet

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Re: Heka: God and Concept
« Reply #6 on: October 10, 2011, 03:13:19 pm »
As I recall we've also had one divined child of Heka but I don't think they are active within the temple.
Senebty,
Zat (She who makes Sekhmet laugh)
Sau apprentice | Fedw | The Library | zat@kemet.org

Sat Wepwawet-Yinepu her Hekatawy Alexandros (AUS) meryt Seshat-Nit-Nebthet her Heru-wer her Aset-Serqet

Offline TahekerutAset

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Re: Heka: God and Concept
« Reply #7 on: October 10, 2011, 04:42:39 pm »
Em hotep,

Heka the concept is magical speech, authoritative utterance, but there are other components of doing heka than just words.  Words are a huge part of it though.  But there are also ritual actions, the symbolism of colors and numbers and even materials too.  

The book I mentioned goes into this in much more detail.  

I apologize if I wasn't clear in my earlier post.  
TahekerutAset "Aset's Jewel"
Sat Aset
Meryt Nebet Het, Wepwawet, Sekhmet-Mut, Ra, Mut,  Bast-Mut, Shu, Tefnut

Website:  Fiercely Bright One

Offline Satsenu

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Re: Heka: God and Concept
« Reply #8 on: October 11, 2011, 06:43:55 pm »
I am very interested in UPGs. Anyone willing to share?

Lots of love,
Satsenu
Satsenu, Daughter of Two
I am the daughter of Wepwawet(-Yinepu) and Bast, beloved of Wesir-Sokar and Amun-Ra.

Offline Satsenu

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Re: Heka: God and Concept
« Reply #9 on: October 19, 2011, 07:17:23 am »
*bump*
Satsenu, Daughter of Two
I am the daughter of Wepwawet(-Yinepu) and Bast, beloved of Wesir-Sokar and Amun-Ra.

Offline Satsenu

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Re: Heka: God and Concept
« Reply #10 on: January 03, 2012, 05:45:40 pm »
*bumps because I'm still curious*
^_^
Satsenu, Daughter of Two
I am the daughter of Wepwawet(-Yinepu) and Bast, beloved of Wesir-Sokar and Amun-Ra.

Offline IbuPtah

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Re: Heka: God and Concept
« Reply #11 on: January 04, 2012, 09:15:53 am »
TahekerutAset is indeed correct in stating that there are other components in dealing with the god Heka. In ancient times Heka was often accompanied by the gods Hu and Sia, and most often,these three gods were depicted at the side of Ra, riding in his solar boat.

Hu represents something like "Commanding or Authoritative Speech" while Sia is "Divine Knowledge or Wisdom", and Heka is "Magical or Creatively Directed Power". In order for Heka to be effective, He must work as a team with Hu and Sia, just as for "magic" (Heka)to be effective, you must "know"(Sia)what to say, and also "how"(Hu) to say it.

I don't really have much in the way of a "personal" relationship with Heka, but I would recommend you look
to Ptah for a little help with understanding Him, since it was He who used Heka, along with Hu and Sia, in order to effectively speak the creative word which brought creation into existance. I am sure He could help provide you with a nice introduction :)
Sa Ptah-Sokar
Mery Amun-Ra, Sekhmet-Hetheret, her Nebethet-Nit-Seshat
Fedw Diviner for PtahSokar

Re: Heka: God and Concept
« Reply #12 on: January 14, 2012, 06:28:55 pm »
I pretty much second what Tahekerut said, only to add that I've often got the image of Mom & Heka conspiring together, heads bent towards each other over some issue or topic or "project" if you will.

Sorry I don't have more, with Weret Heka as Mom, I go to Her for all of that...
Timu

Sat Aset, meryt Wepwawet her Renenutet


Offline Sedjemes

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Re: Heka: God and Concept
« Reply #13 on: January 14, 2012, 06:46:54 pm »
Hotep

I find that I come closest to understanding and honoring (or honoring and understanding) Heka as god, when I am most mindful of not simply what I say but why I am saying it. Am I angry? Am I seeking attention? Am I feeling neglected? Am I being kind? Am I out for some level of revenge? Am I saying things just to fill silence?

I know sometimes I have no intent at all in my speech. I know sometimes my intent is less than admirable, or at least, less than appropriately necessary.
Khenmetaset ("Aset Gladdens")
Sedjemes ("She listens")
Daughter of Aset-Serqet, Meryt Ra her Sekhmet
Heri-Sesheta Aset-Serqet

 


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