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Author Topic: Libations  (Read 2434 times)

Offline Panetjerwesir

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Libations
« on: January 06, 2014, 09:22:08 pm »
Had a question concerning libations - I am trying to do daily Senut (without figures of names), but I can't wrap my head around libations. In my shrine I have a water and a natron bowl, but where do I pour the libations? Do I need another water bowl?

Any help appreciated!
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Panetjerwesir ("Panetjer")
"Wesir is God"
Sa Wesir, Mery Yinepu-Wepwawet

Offline Khenneferitw

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  • Country: us
Re: Libations
« Reply #1 on: January 06, 2014, 09:36:21 pm »
I would suggest a glass, as libations are drunk after ritual in the Kemetic religions. :)
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Offline Panetjerwesir

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Re: Libations
« Reply #2 on: January 06, 2014, 09:47:15 pm »
Ah, I see! So the libations are completely separate then from the water bowl in the shrine - is that so?

Thank you for your help! Senebty!
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Sa Wesir, Mery Yinepu-Wepwawet

Offline Khenneferitw

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Re: Libations
« Reply #3 on: January 06, 2014, 11:32:06 pm »
If I'm reading you question right, they are separate. I suppose it depends on how you do the rite. I'll try and cover how I do, and people who do it differently can cover their differences.

I start with a pitcher of water, my natron container, an  empty bowl, and an empty glass. I pour about half the water into the bowl at the beginning of the rite, mix in the natron after the relevant prayers, then purify. After this, I set the bowl and natron container aside: they've done their job.

During the four-fold libations, I use the remaining water in the pitcher to fill the glass. At the end of Senut I drink the water in the glass (reversion of offerings) but drain the natron water. The natron water is full of gunky people stuff, and as it isn't the offering, there's no real reason to drink it.
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Offline Panetjerwesir

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Re: Libations
« Reply #4 on: January 07, 2014, 05:29:20 am »
Ah, perfectly clear - thank you!

Senebty!
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Offline Rev. Shefyt

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Re: Libations
« Reply #5 on: January 07, 2014, 06:32:59 am »
My set-up is that I have a glass in the bathroom that I use just for purifying, and then after that I fill a separate vessel with water to use for the libations. (I use a bottle and cup from a sake set; they make great shrine implements.)  I typically make a food and drink offering as well, so I have separate bowls for those.

For what it's worth, I don't usually drink the four-fold libation, since part of it is for the Akhu. I usually use it to water my plants, instead. ^_^

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Offline TahekerutAset

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Re: Libations
« Reply #6 on: January 07, 2014, 03:27:51 pm »
I have a bowl for purifications in the bathroom.  I keep a pitcher and a separate bowl on my shrine for the four-fold libations for Senut.  I also do not consume the libations for Senut.  I pour them out (either in the ground or on a potted plant or even in the sink if you can't get outside).  

Offerings of water I'd drink, but that I would do separate from the four-fold libations (and not in the same bowl). Some of the four-fold libations are for the Akhu and Sebau (some of whom may be dead too).  You do not eat offerings for the dead in Kemetic Orthodoxy.  

Also, the four-fold libations are doing a specific function within the ritual: they are opening the way between worlds.  I really wouldn't drink that if I were you.  
« Last Edit: January 07, 2014, 03:28:41 pm by TahekerutAset »
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Offline Darytessekhmet

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Re: Libations
« Reply #7 on: January 08, 2014, 08:41:36 am »
Em hotep Traveler *henu*

I have several small white bowls and plates, as well as a small white pitcher and some egg cups.  I usually get these from Pier One.  I leave a couple of bowls in the bathroom for the purification with natron.  I use the pitcher and egg cups or bowl for the libations.  I pour the libations on the ground outside.
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Offline Rev. Sema'a

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Re: Libations
« Reply #8 on: January 08, 2014, 10:14:57 am »
Em hotep!

I also keep my drinkable offerings separate from the four-fold libations. I usually let those evaporate, or when possible give them to a plant (potted or outside, whatever works). I keep a dish for the four-fold libations and use cups or glasses for drinkable offerings.

Senebty,
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Offline Panetjerwesir

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  • Country: us
Re: Libations
« Reply #9 on: January 08, 2014, 09:13:56 pm »
These are great ideas - thanks to all for the ideas and clarifications! I like the usage of the plants and such, as well as evaporation as appropriate.

Senebty, everyone!
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