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Author Topic: Priesthood old/new?  (Read 8820 times)

Offline Senuwiemdjeti

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Re: Priesthood old/new?
« Reply #15 on: February 11, 2014, 08:15:53 am »
It clears some things and makes others confusing. I'm going to have to meditate real hard.
Daughter of Wepwawet-Yinepu and Bast, beloved of Wesir, Hethert-Sekhmet, and Set.

Re: Priesthood old/new?
« Reply #16 on: February 11, 2014, 02:26:22 pm »
Em Hotep Thefisherfool!
   In a certain way,I know I`m hypocrite.After all,I eat animals.
But to watch all of those little criatures that had to die just because,it`s too hard for me.
Yet,I know it was another time,and I also know that us,humains,use this when we don`t have nothing to say...
-Oh,that? It was in a different time.We are much better now!...
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Offline Senuwiemdjeti

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Re: Priesthood old/new?
« Reply #17 on: February 11, 2014, 02:39:46 pm »
Em hotep

I don't mind animal slaughter for food as long as the animal isn't mistreated or tortured. Like my mom was watching a documentary on how Chinese people transport cats to restaurants for food. It was so crual and sad I just couldn't watch it. They had them n small short square cages. They'd throw the cages down from the truck and break their bones, and they'd boil the cats alive. (TT) ugh its so aweful.
Daughter of Wepwawet-Yinepu and Bast, beloved of Wesir, Hethert-Sekhmet, and Set.

Re: Priesthood old/new?
« Reply #18 on: February 11, 2014, 03:24:53 pm »
Em Hotep,Lariany!
When people treat people like they do,what can we expect they are going to do with those who canoot defend themselves?  :(
All to Ra,my Father
Set shows the way
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Offline Maen

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Re: Priesthood old/new?
« Reply #19 on: February 11, 2014, 03:32:44 pm »
Yea, well, it's not just the Chinese with the cats. I've heard these scary stories about Europeans.
When they slaughter pigs, they use electric shocks. But sometimes the shocks are not strong enough, and then the pigs, hanging upside down from a hook in their leg, are put into boiling water, where they drown and die from heat at the same time.
They also breed chicken, but sometimes they need only the females, for eggs, and then the males, those barely-hatched, fluffy chicks, are thrown alive into those huge meat grinders.

But pigs are the worst, really. Such intelligent, social, sensitive animals. The Europeans just don't get that. They geld the baby pigs without any kind of anaesthesia. They put the mothers into cages that won't even allow them to stand up. They keep the young pigs in tiny cages, all their live, and feed them so much that their bones and joints can barely carry their weight and every movement must be painful. Often, the pigs become aggressive from the crowding, and stress and pure boredom, and attack each other, biting off ears and tails...
Oh, wait. I'm a European, too.

Lariany, I know you only used the documentary about the cats as an example. But it sounds a bit like you're accusing foreign people, when there is plenty of cruelty against animals far closer to home.


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Offline Senuwiemdjeti

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Re: Priesthood old/new?
« Reply #20 on: February 11, 2014, 04:18:50 pm »

I'm not pointing fingers at anyone. I was using it as an example. I've seen videos on all the animal abuses and its a thing that happens all over the world. Everything happens all over really. Human trafficking, animal cruelty, murder, abuse, and so on. No one "race" is guilty. All those who participate are guilty. But I'm not the type to use the race card because people are people. We all have the same faults and can easily make the same mistakes.  Me accusing "foreigners" is a stretch.
Daughter of Wepwawet-Yinepu and Bast, beloved of Wesir, Hethert-Sekhmet, and Set.

Re: Priesthood old/new?
« Reply #21 on: February 11, 2014, 04:30:19 pm »
If that is so,Lariany,let`s give peace to all those great men and women that were serving the Gods of Kemet,with passion,with love to the knowledge that they received,and maybe some day the Gods look at us the same way they looked towards them.
Em Hotep,Lariany...Em Hotep
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Set shows the way
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Offline Bestekeni

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Re: Priesthood old/new?
« Reply #22 on: February 13, 2014, 05:07:23 pm »
If anyone is interested, Suzanne Onstine wrote her 2001 dissertation on women's priestly titles, specifically the shemayt (chantress) title.  It is available for free in PDF form here:

http://www.nlc-bnc.ca/obj/s4/f2/dsk3/ftp04/NQ58632.pdf
Fedw diviner for Bes
𓃀𓎂𓀭𓏏𓎡𓈖𓁐
Sat Bes her Hekatawy Alexandros (AUS)
Meryt Heru-wer her Amun-Ra her Bast

Offline Ha'autmuti

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Re: Priesthood old/new?
« Reply #23 on: February 13, 2014, 05:19:08 pm »
Maen, thank you so much for clearing up some of those questions regarding priestesses! I had only been skimming this thread, but your post was so fascinating I had to stop and read the whole thing. Cool stuff.
- Ha'aut

"Joy of My Mothers"
Son of Serqet and Hethert-Nut, beloved of Mut and Nehebkau.

Teach me to speak with their voices
Show me the way and I'll try again

Offline Senuwiemdjeti

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Re: Priesthood old/new?
« Reply #24 on: February 13, 2014, 05:30:21 pm »
Em hotep, Bestekeni

Thanks for sharing that link. It's a really interesting read so far.
Daughter of Wepwawet-Yinepu and Bast, beloved of Wesir, Hethert-Sekhmet, and Set.

Offline Rev. Shezatwepwawet

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Re: Priesthood old/new?
« Reply #25 on: February 18, 2014, 11:00:12 am »
On the subject of animal sacrifices, also keep in mind a few things.

1. in many cultures, the animals were not just killed and left out. For many, the animal would later become a meal for the community. This is still seen regularly in African traditional religions.

2. I admit I don't know nearly as much about such matters with Kemet, but the people held blood as an impure substance and would not want to make such an offering itself to the Names. Would they offer animals? Yes, and the meat would revert back to the people after a time so they could consume it.
Senebty,
Zat (She who makes Sekhmet laugh)
Sau apprentice | Fedw | The Library | zat@kemet.org

Sat Wepwawet-Yinepu her Hekatawy Alexandros (AUS) meryt Seshat-Nit-Nebthet her Heru-wer her Aset-Serqet

Re: Priesthood old/new?
« Reply #26 on: February 18, 2014, 05:02:14 pm »
Oh,i saw many documentaries about it...
In some cults,even got a business of selling animals to offer to the God.And they used to offer a lot! And i`m not even talking about the mummies...
But this is me.Now we do much worse.
I think that good and bad people are all around, now and in those days.Where there is a bad person,he will find a way to do bad things.
But there is the question: What is a bad thing? If i explode myself with a bomb,is a bad thing for you,as you see it, and a great thing for me,because i believe that i`m going to heaven.
Remember the rule - "An' it harm none, do as you will" - It says all...
All to Ra,my Father
Set shows the way
http://youtu.be/Dnsw39pz7Cc     http://youtu.be/nWzJwg-saCM

Offline Rev. Shezatwepwawet

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Re: Priesthood old/new?
« Reply #27 on: February 19, 2014, 05:54:50 am »
So are you saying you consider any sort of animal sacrifice a bad thing? I will again note that in more than a few cultures, this food also feeds the community.
Senebty,
Zat (She who makes Sekhmet laugh)
Sau apprentice | Fedw | The Library | zat@kemet.org

Sat Wepwawet-Yinepu her Hekatawy Alexandros (AUS) meryt Seshat-Nit-Nebthet her Heru-wer her Aset-Serqet

Re: Priesthood old/new?
« Reply #28 on: February 19, 2014, 11:39:51 am »
Em Hotep,Zat!
Not in my kitchen,though.If i only could eat what i kill,i`ve probably benn killing some tomatoes,some potatoes...  :D
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All to Ra,my Father
Set shows the way
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Offline Tarytenyinepu

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Re: Priesthood old/new?
« Reply #29 on: February 19, 2014, 02:56:19 pm »
Animal sacrifice is not inherently wrong if it minimizes the animal's suffering and holds a spiritual context. I don't know if I could ever do it, but I refuse to condemn someone else for their spiritual practice. If they are being cruel, it is one thing, but if they are being careful to be humane, I have no issue with it.

Just my 2 cents though :)
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