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Author Topic: Gods Who Look The Same  (Read 3031 times)

Gods Who Look The Same
« on: October 03, 2014, 02:25:02 pm »
How do you tell the difference between Gods who have the same animal symbol? For example, Khnum and Amun are both symbolized by the Ram.
Akins

Offline Sedjemes

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Re: Gods Who Look The Same
« Reply #1 on: October 03, 2014, 02:41:29 pm »
Hotep Akins,

The animal that symbolizes a god is not the only, nor best, way to know which god is meant.

Amun is actually often portrayed as a man, not ram-headed, wearing a large double-plume on his head-piece. As can be seen here for example:
http://www.crystalinks.com/amun.html

Khnum is often portrayed as human-bodied but with a ram's head, the horns of which extend out to each side, as can be seen here at:
http://www.crystalinks.com/khnum.html

A better way to determine which god, rather than just by the animal symbol is to look for an actual depiction of the god and look at the differences at the head. Ra and Heru-wer are both hawk-headed, but, they bear different items at their heads. One has a crown and one has a uraeus on sun-disk for example.

Hope this helps.

Senebty
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Sedjemes ("She listens")
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Re: Gods Who Look The Same
« Reply #2 on: October 03, 2014, 02:56:39 pm »
I know, and as someone who has a lot of respect for the Egyptians, it drives me crazy when I see people confuse Ra and Horus. They don't understand the difference in headdress. Drives me crazy.
Akins

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« Reply #3 on: October 03, 2014, 06:57:10 pm »
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« Last Edit: May 07, 2018, 11:37:18 pm by Naisenu »

Offline Senuwiemdjeti

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Re: Gods Who Look The Same
« Reply #4 on: October 04, 2014, 12:08:39 pm »
what are the differences in how wepwawet is depicted and Yinepu?
I know the differences in their names but thats mostly it. I thought that wepwawet was depicted as being brown and yinepu black but apparently they're both black jackals.

 
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Offline Bezenwepwy

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Re: Gods Who Look The Same
« Reply #5 on: October 04, 2014, 04:53:45 pm »
There is absolutely no difference and when in anthropomorphic form, the only way to tell them apart is by name or by context. (For example of context, it is always going to be Anup who is working the scales of judgement. But two jackal deities on either side of a temple doorway? Pretty likely to be Wepwawet.)
On the Temple Steps - My amulet shop.
Per-Sabu.org - More jackals than you can shake a stick at.
Big Bad Jackal - Another jackal-laden venue.

Offline Senuwierneheh

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Re: Gods Who Look The Same
« Reply #6 on: October 06, 2014, 07:23:04 am »
So the two jackals facing each other in Kayemnofret's offering chapel are both Wepwawet then?

To see my photos:
http://joanannlansberry.com/fotoart/mfa/kayemnfr.html

The first one shows the two facing each other. The hieroglyphs are so beautifully detailed.

...Meresankh
Senuwierneheh (My Two, forever)
Sat Hethert-Sekhmet her Set, meryt Ptah-Sokar-Wesir, Djehuty, her Heru-Wer
Self-care Hethert, Set and Ptah Advocate
𓁥 𓁣 𓁰

Offline Bezenwepwy

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Re: Gods Who Look The Same
« Reply #7 on: October 06, 2014, 08:15:05 am »
Neither. In the OK, that particular jackal glyph only denotes a title.

Edit to add: Opposed jackal deities (not to be confused with the sAb glyph in your example) on funerary objects can be a much trickier subject.
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 06:00:00 pm by Bezenwepwy »
On the Temple Steps - My amulet shop.
Per-Sabu.org - More jackals than you can shake a stick at.
Big Bad Jackal - Another jackal-laden venue.

Offline Senuwierneheh

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Re: Gods Who Look The Same
« Reply #8 on: October 11, 2014, 09:19:01 am »
Would you happen to know what the title is, Bezenwepwy?

I was able to figure out what part of the glyphs is Kayemnofret's name, but the jackel, a fish glyph and the "sh" pool glyph is before that name.

Thank you for clearing part of the mystery up!

Meresankh...

Quote from: Bezenwepwy
Neither. In the OK, that particular jackal glyph only denotes a title.

Edit to add: Opposed jackal deities (not to be confused with the sAb glyph in your example) on funerary objects can be a much trickier subject.  
Senuwierneheh (My Two, forever)
Sat Hethert-Sekhmet her Set, meryt Ptah-Sokar-Wesir, Djehuty, her Heru-Wer
Self-care Hethert, Set and Ptah Advocate
𓁥 𓁣 𓁰

Offline IbuPtah

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Re: Gods Who Look The Same
« Reply #9 on: October 11, 2014, 05:32:52 pm »
Em hotep, Meresankh

Kayemnofret's title is something like "Senior Administrator, or Judge", sAb iD mr, which is written with the jackal, Gardiner's sign E17, sAb, meaning "dignitary, senior official" and the next word is iD mr, written using the fish (K3) and the canal sign (N36).

The last sign, the canal, while looking similar to the "sh" pool, is actually the word "mr", a noun meaning "supporter, or partisan".

He seems to have been a pretty important guy in his day!

Senebty,
~Ibu
Sa Ptah-Sokar
Mery Amun-Ra, Sekhmet-Hetheret, her Nebethet-Nit-Seshat
Fedw Diviner for PtahSokar

 


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