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Author Topic: Mummification - heeelp!  (Read 9480 times)

Offline Gleb

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Mummification - heeelp!
« on: February 25, 2015, 09:12:57 am »
Em Hotep *henu*

So I just encountered this article: http://www.egyptpast.com/gods/afterlife.html
It says that if a person wasn't mummified, s/he wouldn't reach the Iaru... And to be fair, it freaks me out...O_O
I know people don't usually get to be mummified these days, unless they pay the right people...

What do you think?

Senebty,
Gleb
Senebty,
Gleb

Offline Neferkara

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Re: Mummification - heeelp!
« Reply #1 on: February 25, 2015, 10:50:16 am »
Em Hotep

That is most likely what the Ancient Egyptians believed to a certain extent, but their religion evolved and changed throughout the kingdoms.

I wouldn't say I agree, that it is the only way to reach the afterlife, but this is my personal opinion.

My grandmother passed a while ago and her body was cremated. This was the first death of a family member I have experienced and I waited for her to make an appearance, it was at least two months before I made contact with her in the afterlife. during that time I started to think that she didn't make it through the Duat. When she spoke to me she told me she had being busy, that all her time couldn't dedicated to the living anymore.

I have no fear, I see the preservation of the body as a precaution for if it takes longer than normal to travel through the Duat. 

Senebty

Offline Zaituwy

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Re: Mummification - heeelp!
« Reply #2 on: February 25, 2015, 11:10:36 am »
Em Hotep,
I will let you know what I do.  I thought about it and came up with a resolution as long as through my life I read the Book of the Dead and asked Netjer to please forgive my burial practices I will still pass through Duat and make it to the Afterworld. I am sure no one will be reciting the Book of the Dead at my funeral. Netjer loves all his followers and I am sure we will all make it to the Afterworld. Come to think about it I am still new here and I am going to read the Book of the Dead during Senut.  I am sure Netjer will understand.
Senebty,
ThothEvo
« Last Edit: February 25, 2015, 11:37:19 am by ThothEvo »
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Offline Gleb

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Re: Mummification - heeelp!
« Reply #3 on: February 25, 2015, 12:05:09 pm »
Thank you, both!
ThothEvo, I would like to ask you something. If that's ok of course. Is there any tradition of reading the Book of the Dead? Or do you do it for yourself?
Senebty,
Gleb

Offline Temseniaset

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Re: Mummification - heeelp!
« Reply #4 on: February 25, 2015, 12:49:06 pm »
Em Hotep:

The Book of the Dead was read by a priest and buried with the mummy, if not painted or carved into the tomb of coffin, depending of the Kingdom.  If fact there are a number of them out there, for those with the money had their own BoD written by a priest.

Sandra
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Offline Ha'autmuti

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Re: Mummification - heeelp!
« Reply #5 on: February 25, 2015, 12:52:34 pm »
That article is speaking very generally, I think. The common people usually were not mummified in antiquity, as it was expensive and time-consuming, and there is certainly evidence that they believed their ancestors had entered the afterlife just the same. Mummification was just one of many ways to facilitate the soul's survival in the Unseen world. Other methods included images of yourself and the remembrance of your name, which is why many of us keep a list of our Akhu and regularly read off the names.

I find that, the more you learn about ANY subject, the more time you have to spend unlearning all the things you thought you knew, because it's really more complicated than that. Very general articles like this one are fine for beginners, but they omit a lot of information out of necessity--they're trying to serve as an introduction, not the be-all-end-all.
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Offline Zaituwy

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Re: Mummification - heeelp!
« Reply #6 on: February 25, 2015, 09:35:58 pm »
Exactly what Phoenix said.  I just feel comfort and believe more in the Afterworld when I read the Book of the Dead. It was a resolution for my thoughts before KO.  The tradition part of reading the Book of the Dead was when something died that I loved.  I had two fish die and I did a ceremony for them.  It was beautiful and I felt my pet fish made it to the Afterworld.  I did it to the best of my knowledge I even made a sarcophagus for the fish.  I don't remember it all but I remember having to wait the entire night so Yinepu could take them to the After world and when Ra rises they are there.  It is awesome to do and feel the feeling of the entire process of life and death. The funeral lasts all day all night to the rising of Ra the next morning.  I even had a vision that they were swimming in a divine pool in the Afterworld.  The book is outstanding admiration to Netjer and the belief of life after death.  What other religion do you have Pharaohs or Gods preparing for there entire life to take the journey to the Afterworld in my eyes that takes a great amount of faith in the Afterworld.  That is why the Book of the Dead is so powerful to me because it was used during all the funerals of Pharaohs the ultimate book of faith in the Afterworld.   Maybe I can write it in my will to be done at the funeral. LOL
« Last Edit: February 25, 2015, 09:58:26 pm by ThothEvo »
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Offline Rayashi

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Re: Mummification - heeelp!
« Reply #7 on: February 26, 2015, 12:56:06 am »
Just going to leave this here.

www.summum.org
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Offline Bestekeni

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Re: Mummification - heeelp!
« Reply #8 on: February 26, 2015, 01:01:17 pm »
A lot of these fears and misunderstandings about what's needed to have an afterlife are misconceptions based on skewed sample size.  Popular press books and television documentaries on ancient Egypt focus on the most elite burials.  The countless typical burials, where unmummified people are found with pottery and maybe some beads, aren't considered flashy and interesting enough for a non-specialist audience. 

Additionally, while burial was imporant, it wasn't the main focus of life.  We just happen to have more funerary stuff than typical everyday stuff because it's underground and sealed. 
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Meryt Heru-wer her Amun-Ra her Bast

Offline Qebehusenu

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Re: Mummification - heeelp!
« Reply #9 on: February 26, 2015, 01:29:32 pm »
I was just thinking about this last night, thanks for opening up the discussion Gleb! :)
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Meryt Set her Djehuty
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Offline Qebehusenu

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Re: Mummification - heeelp!
« Reply #10 on: February 26, 2015, 01:31:01 pm »
Just going to leave this here.

www.summum.org

$67,000 USD + ... whelp I think I'll need to raise my life insurance for that or maybe get a Kickstarter going... lol
Samantha / Qebehusenu / Qeb
Sat Ra her Hethert-Sekhmet
Meryt Set her Djehuty
The Coolness of Two
"I make your names permanent, like the heavens are enduring. As long as forever exists, you will eternally exist." - Seshat

Offline Gleb

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Re: Mummification - heeelp!
« Reply #11 on: February 26, 2015, 02:46:07 pm »
Yeah, that thing is pretty pricey. I try to save money for my visit to Kansas before army, once I finish high school. Then - I'll start saving money for this.

Bestekeni - alright. But, what is it worth if the person isn't mummified?
Senebty,
Gleb

Offline Bestekeni

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Re: Mummification - heeelp!
« Reply #12 on: February 26, 2015, 10:35:17 pm »
What do you mean?  Mummification is not a requirement for an afterlife.  End of story.
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Sat Bes her Hekatawy Alexandros (AUS)
Meryt Heru-wer her Amun-Ra her Bast

Offline Ra'awyserqet

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Re: Mummification - heeelp!
« Reply #13 on: February 26, 2015, 11:22:28 pm »
Em hotep!

I plan to be cremated. I have a few reasons for doing so; not taking up space with a dead body, an outfit I'll never wear, and an overly expensive coffin that I'll never use, in a burial plot I'll have to pay off...alongside it's more cost effective, and it means my guy will be able to scatter my ashes in water as I desire. 

I have had no issues coming to this faith and knowing that this is my desire. However, when I came to this faith I was already keeping my dead folks alive (two of which are cremated) through a personal ancestor shrine I had made years earlier when my Granny and then Dad died. I've never had issues speaking to them before I came to this faith and since being a part of this faith I have gotten better at speaking with my older Akhu.

It doesn't necessarily matter if one's body remains whole; there were frequent times when a body's wholeness could simply not be assured. However, through the person's name, image, and/or children/lineage, they would live on. Remembering your Akhu, even when you don't have a picture of them, is the biggest thing in my opinion. Speaking their name, thinking about them, doing something that reminds you of them, etc, all of it feeds their kau.

But that's just me and my experience. :) Your miles may vary.

Senebty,
Ra'awy
(They/them)

Sat Serqet-Aset her Nisut-bity Hekatawy Alexandros (aus), meryt Sekhmet-Mut, Yinepu-Wepwawet, Alexandros, her Hethert-Nut-as-Nehmet-Awai.

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Offline Gleb

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Re: Mummification - heeelp!
« Reply #14 on: February 27, 2015, 11:09:15 am »
What do you mean?  Mummification is not a requirement for an afterlife.  End of story.
Oh yeah? Cool! :)
Senebty,
Gleb

 


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