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Author Topic: Crocodile with the head of a bird?  (Read 4181 times)

Offline Subani

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Crocodile with the head of a bird?
« on: March 11, 2016, 07:50:53 pm »
http://images.metmuseum.org/CRDImages/eg/web-large/DP241011.jpg

Does anyone have any idea who/what this is?
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Offline Senui-Iry-I

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Re: Crocodile with the head of a bird?
« Reply #1 on: March 11, 2016, 09:37:43 pm »
Pretty sure that's Sobek-Ra  :)
(But someone correct me if I'm wrong!)
« Last Edit: March 11, 2016, 09:44:44 pm by Senui-Iry-I »
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Meryt Set her Yinepu-Wepwawet her Nit-Nebthet-Seshat

Offline Rayashi

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Re: Crocodile with the head of a bird?
« Reply #2 on: March 11, 2016, 10:39:02 pm »
Sobek-Ra was my guess, too. 
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Offline Subani

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Re: Crocodile with the head of a bird?
« Reply #3 on: March 11, 2016, 11:15:06 pm »
Thanks!
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Offline Senuwierneheh

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Re: Crocodile with the head of a bird?
« Reply #4 on: March 12, 2016, 06:39:13 am »
Em Hotep!
I found the museum's webpage:

http://metmuseum.org/art/collection/search/544909
Falcon-headed crocodile amulet
Period:Ptolemaic Period
Date:332–30 B.C.
Geography:From Egypt
Medium:Faience
Dimensions:H. 2.5 cm (1 in.); W. 1.4 cm (9/16 in.); L. 4.5 cm (1 3/4 in.)
Credit Line:Gift of Norbert Schimmel Trust, 1989
Accession Number:1989.281.95

"The falcon-headed crocodile is here crowned with a sun disk, indicating its association with a solar god."

So yes, Sobek-Ra! :)

A bigger view:
http://images.metmuseum.org/CRDImages/eg/original/DP241011.jpg

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Neheh...
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Offline Bezenwepwy

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Re: Crocodile with the head of a bird?
« Reply #5 on: March 12, 2016, 09:46:13 am »
Pretty sure it's actually supposed to be Horakhty / Re-Horakhty, although that doesn't mean the same iconography might not be used by other gods.
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Offline Bestekeni

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Re: Crocodile with the head of a bird?
« Reply #6 on: March 12, 2016, 11:45:55 am »
Re-Horakhty, yup
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Offline Subani

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Re: Crocodile with the head of a bird?
« Reply #7 on: March 12, 2016, 03:38:36 pm »
Ok, so now I am more confused.
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Subaenibast
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(6/27/18)

Offline Senui-Iry-I

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Re: Crocodile with the head of a bird?
« Reply #8 on: March 12, 2016, 03:42:32 pm »
Me too lol  ;D I didn't know Re-Horakhty had a form like that, that's interesting. Why is he depicted this way?
Senui-iry-i  (Iryi)
Sat Sobek-Ra her Hethert-Sekhmet,
Meryt Set her Yinepu-Wepwawet her Nit-Nebthet-Seshat

Offline Bestekeni

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Re: Crocodile with the head of a bird?
« Reply #9 on: March 12, 2016, 08:59:44 pm »
Late Period weirdness, that's what.
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𓃀𓎂𓀭𓏏𓎡𓈖𓁐
Sat Bes her Hekatawy Alexandros (AUS)
Meryt Heru-wer her Amun-Ra her Bast

Offline Bezenwepwy

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Re: Crocodile with the head of a bird?
« Reply #10 on: March 13, 2016, 08:16:33 am »
This article may be enlightening to anybody interested in learning more about the AE conception of crocodiles and why they can be associated to forms of Re and Horus:

https://www.academia.edu/10965872/2010._Crocodiles_Guardians_of_the_Gateways._In_Z._Hawass_and_S._Ikram_eds._Thebes_and_Beyond_Studies_in_Honour_of_Kent_R._Weeks._Cairo_Supreme_Council_of_Antiquities_Press_85-98

I only skimmed it myself but did note that she actually cites an example of the hawk-headed crocodile "sphinx" appearing on a stela dedicated to Sobek. There's a problem with that though as I looked up the stela in question and it has no inscription. :/
« Last Edit: March 13, 2016, 08:41:08 am by Bezenwepwy »
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Big Bad Jackal - Another jackal-laden venue.

Offline Senui-Iry-I

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Re: Crocodile with the head of a bird?
« Reply #11 on: March 13, 2016, 09:15:31 am »
Thank you for the link!  :D

"Crocodiles (and Sobek) were also associated with other divinities such as Re, Khepri, Shu, Tefnut, Seth, and his crocodilian son Maga. Certainly, from the later periods of Egyptian history, and perhaps as early as the Eighteenth dynasty, images of crocodiles with falcon heads are known. Perhaps the crocodile’s association with solar deities and resurrection is due to its habit of emerging from the water and opening its mouth to the sun when it appears, and then sinking into the depths again at nightfall, and being reborn the next day."

That was very interesting.
Senui-iry-i  (Iryi)
Sat Sobek-Ra her Hethert-Sekhmet,
Meryt Set her Yinepu-Wepwawet her Nit-Nebthet-Seshat

 


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