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Author Topic: Burial: now versus then  (Read 2796 times)

Offline Yinepumehuti

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Burial: now versus then
« on: September 23, 2018, 01:29:42 pm »
I have always been very interested in mummification ever since I was a small child. I watched so many documentaries on it that it seriously worried my school teachers because it was all I would talk about. Coming to Kemeticism I have been thinking a lot more about it and the role it played on the person in the afterlife. The normal way of burial now is either through slight preservation or cremation, both of which do not keep the body intact like mummification does.
My plan for years for my body when I die is to put no preservatives in it whatsoever and just shove me in the soil so that I can give my body back to the Earth in its entirety. This is because nature and the Earth is very important to me and has played a big role in my spirituality.
So I am wondering... how does being Kemetic affect your plans for your funeral? Is it important for us to preserve our bodies still? If we get cremated, will that affect us in the afterlife? Can you even get mummified anymore? Is it something that is still required?
"Yinepu is My Family"
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Offline Sha'ersenu

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Re: Burial: now versus then
« Reply #1 on: September 23, 2018, 01:43:35 pm »
Em hotep!

Great question, following here to see how is the House of Netjer vision about the topic.

Senebty,

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"Worthy of Two"
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Offline Temseniaset

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Re: Burial: now versus then
« Reply #2 on: September 23, 2018, 07:23:29 pm »
Hotep:

Is it required to get mummified, technically it really wasn't required then.  Mummification wasn't a standard practice for a majority of Egyptians because they were farmers and couldn't really afford it to begin with.  The mummies we see in museums are actually from many different time periods and are usually royalty, nobility and upper classes.

As for today if you want to keep some of the tradition you can include on your marker a photo of you to take the place of a mummy.  In many tomb statues were used in case the mummy was damaged.  If you want to be mummified be prepared to pay a very high price, base price from one company is 67,000 US dollars.

If you wanted a burial of a ordinary Egyptian you can be buried is a desert.  Most farmers were buried like this.  Hope this helps.
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Offline mross

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Re: Burial: now versus then
« Reply #3 on: September 25, 2018, 03:51:54 am »
I have also been fascinated by this question. When it boils down, my personal belief is that an image of myself (would probably be a photograph in my case) and friends/family to repeat and remember my name, will be sufficient for me. My body itself? I don't know what I want to be done with it. Temseniaset gave a very good suggestion of being buried in a desert. I think I will think of that as an option for myself actually. I feel a strong connection to the desert anyway, so it works out secularly as well.

Offline Sedjosrysekhmet

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Re: Burial: now versus then
« Reply #4 on: September 25, 2018, 10:54:15 pm »
Em Hotep!

I'm going to make a quick pop in here because someone said death and burial and Its impossible for me NOT to stick my nose in it so bear with me. :)

I did a little digging on this topic to satisfy my own curiosity. There is at least ONE place that will mummify you when you die.  The last time I remember checking the going rate was around 65k ?

Personally myself i agree with Daisy. Give me a natural burial with a shroud and maybe a rock and a peony bush on top. Also as someone who hopefully will be in Mortuary School next fall, and as someone who has unfortunately dealt a lot with burial options, this is your friendly motherly reminder that if you have a specific  wishes for your burial to make sure they are in writing. If your looking for natural burial its a good idea to start looking for that green cemetery. Ive heard theyre becoming more popular but in some places their are not alot of them? Also share this information with your loved ones. I know its uncomfortable but  I don't want anyone else getting their butt chewed out in the middle of a hospital waiting room by their mother in law for saying cremation over burial for the final wishes.

Love and hugs everyone <3
Sedjosry

 
« Last Edit: September 26, 2018, 02:30:52 pm by Sedjosrysekhmet »
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Offline Rayashi

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Re: Burial: now versus then
« Reply #5 on: September 26, 2018, 05:29:56 am »
I did a little digging on this topic to satisfy my own curiosity. There is at least ONE place that will mummify you when you die.  The last time I remember checking the going rate was around 65k ? Hopefully this helps by the way:

Em hotep!  Summum also mummifies animals, but it’s significantly less!  I had a family come to me years ago to send their cat off for it.  Summum sent me this awesome “mummification available” sign to advertise to families.

http://www.summum.org

Senebty,
Yashi
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Sat Ra her Hekatawy Alexandros (AUS)
Meryt Heru-sa-Aset, Wepwawet-Yinepu, Nut, Sekhmet-Hethert, Sokar-Wesir, her Min

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Offline Rayashi

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Re: Burial: now versus then
« Reply #6 on: September 26, 2018, 05:33:26 am »
Em hotep! 

I suggest searching key words here to pull up old topics.  This is a reoccurring question and there is some great stuff from lots of people already here!

Senebty,
Yashi
Rayashi (Yashi) - "Ra calls me"
Sat Ra her Hekatawy Alexandros (AUS)
Meryt Heru-sa-Aset, Wepwawet-Yinepu, Nut, Sekhmet-Hethert, Sokar-Wesir, her Min

Etsy

Offline Djedetmiwesir

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Re: Burial: now versus then
« Reply #7 on: September 26, 2018, 11:17:12 am »
Em hotep!

So I am wondering... how does being Kemetic affect your plans for your funeral? Is it important for us to preserve our bodies still? If we get cremated, will that affect us in the afterlife? Can you even get mummified anymore? Is it something that is still required?

As previously mentioned, I think a photograph, or just someone remembering  I think even just our names is enough to feed our Ka. My mother was cremated, and her Ka is very active and alive!

At this stage, I plan to be cremated. It may be silly, but I just like the idea of being close to my family for a while after I am gone. Put my ashes in an urn with a spell 330 from the Coffin Texts. I am going to ask my family if they would humor me and say Akhu offering prayers for me once a month, or as often as they can remember as their lives carry on. My husband wishes to be cremated as well, and we want our ashes mixed together.

I also think canpic jars are rather inspiring as a design, even though their intended purpose is for the internal organs as part of mummification. An Urn that looks like an Egyptian coffin with a name and likeness of the deceased seems like a nice option too. With a little painting of a Djed at the bottom, and Nut under the lid, you can capture a lot of burial symbology very simply... if you wanted that sort of thing.

Senebty!
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Offline Yinepumehuti

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Re: Burial: now versus then
« Reply #8 on: September 26, 2018, 09:46:40 pm »
Ahh! This is super awesome and I wasn't honestly expecting much of a reply! Everything that everyone said is super awesome and I'm glad to see I'm not the only person that has thought in depth about their body after death! I love seeing the different things that people want to do and how they may decide to connect it to religion!
"Yinepu is My Family"
Daughter of Yinepu-Wepwawet
Beloved of Ra, Bes, and Taweret
Self-Care Ra and Bes Advocate

Offline Kes

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Re: Burial: now versus then
« Reply #9 on: October 29, 2020, 01:57:24 am »
I know this is an old topic, but hoping there's still room for further discussion.

When I was getting help drafting my will, I was asked if I want burial, cremation, or to donate the body to science. Does anyone have thoughts/opinions about this third option? It seems almost unknown to be an option, yet in estate planning it's offered as one of the three main choices.

I've been considering it, since I feel like the body itself is not really important, and donating it could contribute to medical research as well as training doctors and surgeons. I am still undecided, but so far, I think I prefer this to the other options. And in the end they would also arrange cremation and cover the cost, so that's one less thing for family to worry about.

On the religious side of things, if the important thing is remembrance, and if a photo is a sufficient representation of the deceased, then the body doesn't really matter. On the other hand, a donation that will help others could be one final act of ma'at of this life.

I'm curious how other people feel about donating one's body to science, since it tends to get left out of discussions about funeral choices.

Offline Beck88

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Re: Burial: now versus then
« Reply #10 on: October 29, 2020, 07:22:08 am »
I know this is an old topic, but hoping there's still room for further discussion.

When I was getting help drafting my will, I was asked if I want burial, cremation, or to donate the body to science. Does anyone have thoughts/opinions about this third option? It seems almost unknown to be an option, yet in estate planning it's offered as one of the three main choices.

I've been considering it, since I feel like the body itself is not really important, and donating it could contribute to medical research as well as training doctors and surgeons. I am still undecided, but so far, I think I prefer this to the other options. And in the end they would also arrange cremation and cover the cost, so that's one less thing for family to worry about.

On the religious side of things, if the important thing is remembrance, and if a photo is a sufficient representation of the deceased, then the body doesn't really matter. On the other hand, a donation that will help others could be one final act of ma'at of this life.

I'm curious how other people feel about donating one's body to science, since it tends to get left out of discussions about funeral choices.
I've thought about doing this myself actually, and it was actually a major option for me until I found out that you can't do it and be an organ donor at the same time, which is something that I personally would rather do, since if my organs can help someone else live a better life they should be used. But that's just me and my 2 cents.
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Offline Ra'awyserqet

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Re: Burial: now versus then
« Reply #11 on: October 29, 2020, 10:48:48 am »
Em hotep *henu*

I actually work in a related field; I work for a human tissue bank. (I'm sorry if this comes off too much, I'm just super passionate about the difference we make. For legal reasons I will state I do not represent my company in any way nor will I share the name.)

Every day, people make the choice for themself or for their loved ones to pass on the gift of life. What most folks know about is organ donation, lungs, heart, eyes, etc, but there is also frequently (but not always) the option of donating other tissues to non-profit and for-profit tissue banks.
Generally speaking we take tissues that don't have as tight of a time frame on them, frequently these are bones and tendons.
We process these tissues so that they can be used in surgeries all over the world and for education purposes.
I won't get into the nitty gritty of what I actually do, but I also wanted to pose this as an option for folks interested in helping others after death. ^^

In my mind this sort of donation is another way of living on after death because the recipients (and their families) are so very changed by this gift. At work we have letters on the walls from these people thanking the donor families and us and we have quilts hung that come from donor families honoring their loved ones. One entire hallway contains tens of thousands of butterflies, each one representing a donor who has become part of our program.
My job likes us to remember all these people, all these Akhu, all these living people who have become a part of what we do and how we make a positive difference in the world.

My father was cremated over a decade ago and he still visits me! I remember him, remember his words, remember his love. I keep pictures of him and small gifts he gave me that still remain.
My granny was also cremated and she doesn't visit often, but she has in the past.
So I feel like living on is more about who and what you leave behind to remember you, rather than your body be in perfect condition. And there are a plethora of ways that you can do that.

Senebty
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(They/them)

Sa Serqet-Aset her Nisut-bity Hekatawy Alexandros (aus), mery Sekhmet-Mut, Yinepu-Wepwawet, Alexandros, her Hethert-Nut-as-Nehmet-Awai.

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Offline Rabon

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Re: Burial: now versus then
« Reply #12 on: October 30, 2020, 01:18:46 pm »
Em hotep and Wunjo all,

My grandmother, Laura Burris Willis, passed over on Wed., Oct. 21, this year.  Her death was all-natural.  I was with her when she passed over and saw her go to the light.    She is magnificent.  Everyone is in agreement she is the embodiment of love, here, on this Earth.  I am proud to say she is the closest to Hathor I have ever been or will be in my life.

Since she was all-natural we had a viewing without her being embalmed.  This is possible when the viewing is only close family, no wake.

She was placed in a wooden ark and buried in Holly Hill cemetery on Sat. 24th, 2020.

May her blessing be upon all of us!
« Last Edit: October 31, 2020, 10:38:27 pm by Rabon »

Offline Senuwierneheh

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Re: Burial: now versus then
« Reply #13 on: October 30, 2020, 01:25:13 pm »
Blessings to the ka of your grandmother Laura!

Senebty,
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