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Author Topic: Did Wepwawet have Wings?  (Read 228 times)

Offline Detetive

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Did Wepwawet have Wings?
« on: November 29, 2019, 12:41:58 pm »
Em Hotep everyone...Well...Guys...i saw this image here that it's a hieroglyph that says that it's Wepwawet....Did he had or have wings?...Have some books or parts in history that says something about wepwawet have wings?...If yes where?...I really would like to see something about this and more information....Thank you for reading....Senebty!

Here is the picture that i saw: https://i.pinimg.com/originals/1a/20/3d/1a203d142d830f48ae8041af69fd2f0a.jpg
☥ Dua Set, Dua Yinepu ☥

Offline Maen

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Re: Did Wepwawet have Wings?
« Reply #1 on: November 29, 2019, 01:19:14 pm »
em hotep,

possibly it's a griffin, not winged Wepwawet? Compare:
http://www.demonthings.com/chariot-griffins/


senebty

Ma'en
Ma'a-en-Hethert ("rightly belonging to HetHert")
Daughter of HetHert-Sekhmet, beloved of Nut, Djehuty and Nit-NebtHet-Seshat

Offline Detetive

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Re: Did Wepwawet have Wings?
« Reply #2 on: November 29, 2019, 01:26:16 pm »
Yes, but look at the ears!...I mean....and the tail....It looks like so much wepwawet....griffins dosent have ears like that.....
☥ Dua Set, Dua Yinepu ☥

Offline Sedjfaiemitui

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Re: Did Wepwawet have Wings?
« Reply #3 on: November 29, 2019, 01:40:28 pm »
Em hotep nefer, Detetive!

That is a winged "jackal" hieroglyph for sure -- at Edfu Temple, to be precise -- and not your standard griffin. It is a variation on the sign E80 (of which there are a couple permutations, like the griffin Ma'en mentioned, the griffin being E80A), which in Ptolemaic usage is a key sign in terms for xAx, "to be swift." :)

Senebty!
Sedjfai
"Endowed by Two Fathers"
𓁣 𓁠
Sat Set her Amun-Re-Banebdjedet
Meryt Herishef, Wesir-Narefy, Heru-Wer, her Yinepu

Offline Maen

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Re: Did Wepwawet have Wings?
« Reply #4 on: November 29, 2019, 05:14:36 pm »
xAx !   :D :D Yes, that's very fitting! The Opener of Ways, with Wings for extra swiftness!
Thank you for pointing this out, Sedjfai!

Could it be they chose the jackal determinative because "zab", jackal, can also mean "to wander"?
Or why else would they come up with this variation?
I checked, per Erman/Grapow, the earlier spellings of xAx only have the regular walking legs as determinative.


Senebty

Ma'en
Ma'a-en-Hethert ("rightly belonging to HetHert")
Daughter of HetHert-Sekhmet, beloved of Nut, Djehuty and Nit-NebtHet-Seshat

Offline Sedjfaiemitui

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Re: Did Wepwawet have Wings?
« Reply #5 on: November 30, 2019, 10:57:01 am »
Em hotep nefer, Ma'en!

It is perhaps for the very common-sense reason that canids are, in the main, fast creatures. :) I don't have a full view of that particular wall of reliefs on-hand, so I can't readily read-out the entirety of what's being said there, but it should also be noted that context is often a factor in these stylistic choices. It is definitely not unheard-of for the heads (and sometimes also bodies) on other Gods and on applicable hieroglyphs to be altered to "fit in" with a particular, prevailing Divine theme within a given relief. Think "Cryptographic Ram and Crocodile Hymns" at Esna, though those are not the only such examples.

The term xAx can certainly be used to describe a particular quality of Wepwawet (and of Sed, and of Yinepu, and, and, and ;) ). That being said, the E80 glyph is by no means emblematic of Him, anymore than "being swift" is an exclusively Jackal-God action.

In other words, the E80 glyph is a linguistic component which serves to define the particular quality of a specific action -- that of being swift. Insofar as I have ever seen -- certainly not anywhere at Edfu, where Wepwawet's name is spelled out NUMEROUS times beside His representations all throughout the complex -- the jackal E80 is not a determinative for the Divine name Wepwawet. :)

I hope this helps!

Senebty,
Sedjfai
"Endowed by Two Fathers"
𓁣 𓁠
Sat Set her Amun-Re-Banebdjedet
Meryt Herishef, Wesir-Narefy, Heru-Wer, her Yinepu

 


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