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Author Topic: Bes  (Read 51043 times)

Re: Bes
« Reply #30 on: August 11, 2008, 06:55:47 am »
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The tongue thing is a threatening gesture.  That's Him facing off to demons, saying, "Bring it."


Like the Maori when they stick their tounge out.
 


Having never heard of the Maori before, I found this quite fascinating.  Although I must admit, that one picture just made me giggle.  :D
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Re: Bes
« Reply #31 on: August 11, 2008, 11:39:05 am »
Agreed... intresting (and amusing).  I wonder if I was seeing Bes when I was a baby.  I think I was almost 2 before the parents got a pic of me without my tongue out like that.  LOL
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Re: Bes
« Reply #32 on: August 12, 2008, 05:47:33 pm »
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You beat me to it but exactly. I have family in New Zealand who are Maori and they explained it to me. Interestingly, their native "dance" to show their prowess and fierceness is called the haka. Coincidence? I think not :)

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Wow, you have family who are Maori? That's awesome, it's such a fascinating culture.
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Re: Bes
« Reply #33 on: August 12, 2008, 09:12:21 pm »
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Wow, you have family who are Maori? That's awesome, it's such a fascinating culture.  


It's a wonderful culture. I haven't seen them in so long (since my uncle passed away and then I had Sahbet), but we stay in regular contact and they come out here regularly (they're in New Zealand again). My Aunt would sit with me often and tell me of when she was growing up. I think it's awesome that they keep their culture alive even now.

And their voices - it's amazing to hear them sing - my aunt and uncle have 11 children, and they're all gorgeous and musical. When my uncle died, the community out here were amazing. Even though half of them didn't know my parents and I, we were automatically taken in as family by these people. I was pregnant and they visited me to make sure I was ok, when we went back to the house for a wake, they all brought food and drink and wouldn't let any of us do anything except get up and go to the bathroom LOL

They are the most kind and caring people and family is more than just blood to them. We can learn a lot from them.

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Re: Bes
« Reply #34 on: August 12, 2008, 10:52:36 pm »
Maybe there's a lesson there for us all to take home ;)
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Re: Bes
« Reply #35 on: August 13, 2008, 12:41:18 am »
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Maybe there's a lesson there for us all to take home ;)


Given the message this year, I think you're right.

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Re: Bes
« Reply #36 on: August 13, 2008, 05:18:33 pm »
Watching Bes on Tutenstein right now. :)
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Re: Bes
« Reply #37 on: October 12, 2010, 08:44:39 am »
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...the Bes image evolved from an image of a lion standing on its hind legs...


Oh cool.  That makes a lot of sense, actually. :)


Yeah, when I first read that there was a huuuge lightbulb moment.  Dr. Romano's dissertation is pretty interesting.  Then again, I might be a little biased.


Zombie thread resurrection, I hope no one minds too much.

Could we say that if Bes removed His mask, we might find a lion grinning back at us?
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Re: Bes
« Reply #38 on: October 12, 2010, 09:39:55 am »
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Zombie thread resurrection, I hope no one minds too much.

Could we say that if Bes removed His mask, we might find a lion grinning back at us?


Wouldn't you like to know? ;)

Here's something to chew on: Why would a god wear a mask?
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Re: Bes
« Reply #39 on: October 12, 2010, 03:48:31 pm »
Bes probably has a million heads behind that mask. ( my own theory)

but the tongue sticking out is interesting, I only know of one other goddess who does this, and that would be Kali of the hindu pantheon. Her reason is that, it is to lick up any offerings, but also to lick up the blood of demons she kills.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/49/Kaliposter1940s.jpg/275px-Kaliposter1940s.jpg
Are there any other god/goddesses who stick their tongues out?

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Re: Bes
« Reply #40 on: October 12, 2010, 04:11:00 pm »
In Egyptian art, the tongue-sticking-out thing represents a lion roaring.
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Re: Bes
« Reply #41 on: October 12, 2010, 04:12:17 pm »
Argh! Bes seems so simple at first glance but when you slightly scratch the surface and start thinking about what it could mean...brain melty time.
Why would a lion wear a mask to interact with humans when the other Names do not disguise their animal Netjer?

And here I thought he'd be the easiest in my line-up.
Help me Bestekeni! :cry:
Can you share any good resources concerning Him (in english, french, dutch, german) or point me in the right direction?
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Re: Bes
« Reply #42 on: October 12, 2010, 04:19:20 pm »
Unfortunately, there is exactly one academic source that is exclusively dedicated to Him:

The Bes Image in Pharonic Egypt by James F. Romano


...and my tip to you is to stop thinking of theophany so literally, at least in Dad's case. ;)
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Sat Bes her Hekatawy Alexandros (AUS)
Meryt Heru-wer her Amun-Ra her Bast

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Re: Bes
« Reply #43 on: October 12, 2010, 04:30:36 pm »
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You beat me to it but exactly. I have family in New Zealand who are Maori and they explained it to me. Interestingly, their native "dance" to show their prowess and fierceness is called the haka. Coincidence? I think not :)

 


OT:  What's also interesting, is the Maori God of the Sun is called Ra :) /OT

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Re: Bes
« Reply #44 on: October 12, 2010, 04:47:43 pm »
Also,  it is believed that Bes, or Bisu, is not actually a Kemetic Netjer; being adopted either from Nubia or from the lands of Dumafkat (the Sinai region). In Nubia his name is closely tied to the word for cat... which if I can recall correctly is besta; and is image is very resemblant to the art of Mesopotamia and other ancient cultures of Dumafkat.
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